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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 02:55 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Dont tell me that, I wasnt the one who asked.
POM did.

Sorry MM. I saw the question, and just replied. I haven't been fully keeping up on this thread.

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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 03:01 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
http://americaswatchtower.com/2009/02/25/robert-byrd-warns-obama-about-unconstitutional-power-grabs/
Robert Byrd Warns Obama About Unconstitutional Power Grabs
February 25, 2009
...


This is idiotic - Bush had more people serving in these 'czar' roles then Obama does, and more then half of these roles are subject to Congressional approval anyway. Your correspondent does not know the basic facts of the situation.

Cycloptichorn
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
The government is increasing the age at which one can collect one's full benefits under Social Security. I was born in 1947, so I will not be able to retire until I am 66. People in their 20s now will not be able to retire until they are 70. One of the side effects of that sort of change must be a change in age discrimination.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:52 pm
@realjohnboy,
The Baby Boom generation has always had an effect on the economy, pushing it because of the increased demand all those people made on resources.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:53 pm
@mysteryman,
You just do not understand context, do you?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 08:55 pm
@Diest TKO,
Why would you? It's full of ican's usual. No need to read the predictable.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 09:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

This is idiotic - Bush had more people serving in these 'czar' roles then Obama does, and more then half of these roles are subject to Congressional approval anyway. Your correspondent does not know the basic facts of the situation.

Cycloptichorn

I won't check your figures, but I would bet at least one thing, that at least Bush did not have a bunch of Marxists or commies in czar positions.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 09:28 pm
@plainoldme,
pom, you can retire before 66, but you just won't receive what they term "full retirement," whatever that is. You can also postpone until after 66, and receive yet more money, so I personally don't see the logic of calling something full retirement, it is actually a sliding scale, with 66 falling somewhere in the middle of your options. I think it should depend upon your particular situation, your health, and other sources of income that you may have.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 5 May, 2010 11:42 pm
@plainoldme,
It's not age discrimination, it's instead simple acturarial arithmetic. When social security was established the average life expectancy after benefits eligibility at 65 was just a few years. Life expectancy has increased by well over a decade since then. Raising the age at which benefits are available is a mathematical necessity, and it doesn'meaningfully alter the deal that was struck in 1937.

It is also true that in all but a few cases you woiuld be much better off if, instead of you and your employer paying the FICA tax, you had received the money and invested in the stock market. However, the unthinking folks and the permanent political class that leads them by the nose have bought into "certainty" at the hands of ... you guessed it, the political class that leads them. The truth is the government can't be trusted to face hard decisions, and the Greeks have provided us an excellent example.. The permanent political elite peddles illusions and the unthinking mob buys them with truly remarkable alacrity. The recent health care fiasco is but one of many examples.

Cyclo has made a point above about the bailout of AIG which satarted in the Bush administration. However he has not said a word about the three times larger bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - and these inept institutions still require and are still getting more government subsidies ... and without a word or hint of any payback ever. Franklin Raines a democrat political hack and former Clinton advisor was made president of Fannie Mae, earning $90 million in bonuses while taking orders fron Maxine Waters and Barney Frank and eagerly securitizing non qualifying mortgages to feed the growing bubble that defined the current economic debacle. Oidd that no mention is made of them while the Administration pillories Wall street for its contributions to the current mess.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 05:33 am
@georgeob1,
Not answering applications sent in by people who are over-50 is age discrimination. Go back and read what I wrote.

The logic of the situation is this: if the government raises the age at which one may collect the full amount of Social Security, popularly known as full retirement, than employers must be held accountable when it comes to ageism.

Simple? It has nothing to do with actuarial tables!
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 05:38 am
@plainoldme,
gotta admit, POM makes a lotta sense here.

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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 09:15 am
@plainoldme,
Why "must" employers be held accountable for the provisions of a progran that are imposed on them by law ? It is very hard to determine just what "principle" you may be applying here or what, if any, logic might be behind it.

If you suppose that age discrimination would be implicit in any action by the government to delay the age for eligibility of Social Security "benefits", then it follows that there was also age discrimination involved in their establishment in the first place. Moreover the Congress has already imposed, by law, significant delays in the age of eligibility for full benefits for those born after the original law was enacted. Was that "age discrimination"?

Where in the constitution is there any prohibition of taking the age of someone into account when making some governmental decision? There are explicit age discriminators in the rules for public schools; eligibility for student loans; grants of Federal (i.e. taxpayer) money to states for various public welfare programs and many others.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 09:29 am


American Conservatism promotes individual success achieved by working harder and working smarter.
American Conservatism promotes self reliance and accountability.

What do liberal supremacists promote?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 09:36 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
Cyclo has made a point above about the bailout of AIG which satarted in the Bush administration. However he has not said a word about the three times larger bailouts of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - and these inept institutions still require and are still getting more government subsidies ... and without a word or hint of any payback ever.


Thanks for reminding me! These were also done under the Bush administration, if you will cast your memory back.

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Franklin Raines a democrat political hack and former Clinton advisor was made president of Fannie Mae, earning $90 million in bonuses while taking orders fron Maxine Waters and Barney Frank and eagerly securitizing non qualifying mortgages to feed the growing bubble that defined the current economic debacle. Odd that no mention is made of them while the Administration pillories Wall street for its contributions to the current mess.


I agree that Franklin Raines is a corrupt Mofo. I don't agree with pinning this all on the Democrats, as it sure wasn't them that F/F were reporting to while the Republicans were running the show from 2001-2006.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 09:39 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

The government is increasing the age at which one can collect one's full benefits under Social Security. I was born in 1947, so I will not be able to retire until I am 66. People in their 20s now will not be able to retire until they are 70. One of the side effects of that sort of change must be a change in age discrimination.


It's not age discrimination - it's common sense. People are living longer and working longer, so the retirement age should adjust accordingly.

Cycloptichorn
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 09:44 am
H2 ) boy, thak you for your statement about what American conservate supremacists promote.

American liberals promote individual success achieved by working harder and working smarter.
American liberals promote self reliance and accountability. (Lest you doubt this, I commend to your attention the statistic that 52% of voters making over $200,000 voted for Obama).
American liberals also promote Abe Lincoln's Government BY the people, FOR the people.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 10:06 am
@MontereyJack,

MJ boy, your inability to utilize the "Quote" feature has been noted.

Try and wrap you tiny brain around this:

Quote:

American Conservatism promotes individual success achieved by working harder and working smarter.
American Conservatism promotes self reliance and accountability.

What do liberal supremacists promote?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 10:35 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

American liberals also promote Abe Lincoln's Government BY the people, FOR the people.


Well... not exactly. More accurately it is 'government for the people, by the self appointed elites who presume to know what's good for them.'

What does it yield? Public dependency, the loss of personal accountability and financial collapse. Greece is providing us a good example right now.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 10:58 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

MontereyJack wrote:

American liberals also promote Abe Lincoln's Government BY the people, FOR the people.


Well... not exactly. More accurately it is 'government for the people, by the self appointed elites who presume to know what's good for them.'

What does it yield? Public dependency, the loss of personal accountability and financial collapse. Greece is providing us a good example right now.


Bull crap. Greece is a result of financial trickery and greed, a compact between those who run the Country and the businesses who aided their fraud - likely knowingly. You just seek to turn their issue into a denouncement of political beliefs opposite of yours - you've been going on about this a lot lately.

I would also add that the government we currently have certainly wasn't 'appointed' in any fashion, let alone self-appointed; but instead elected by a large majority of Americans.

Cycloptichorn
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 11:13 am
@Cycloptichorn,


Both you and MontereyJack are full of it!
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