55
   

AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
parados
 
  0  
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 08:14 am
@JamesMorrison,
Only $250?

I guess you forgot about Bush's $2000 check for doing nothing.
ican711nm
 
  1  
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 03:14 pm
@parados,
Bush screwed up. Obama is screwing up far worse.
0 Replies
 
MASSAGAT
 
  -4  
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 03:17 am
Quote:
Most of the people who voted for Barack Hussein Obama are the losers in our society. Those on welfare--those who never finished grade school--the moochers--those who complain that the government never gives them enough- those who pay little or no taxes.

Who were these voters? MOST of the voters for Barack Hussein Obama. Losers in our society-those on welfare-those who never finished grade school- those who pay little or no taxes.

There are about five million people on welfare-Most of them are white. However, it appears that 95% of Blacks voted for Obama, 62% of Hispanics voted for Obama and 70% of 18-20 year olds voted for Obama. Now while Blacks and Hispanics are also included in the last category, it appears that most of the welfare crowd; those who never finished grade school and the moochers voted for Obama.

Why not? These people are in favor of income redistribution because so many of them don't have very much. They have never pondered the fact that people cannot be equal and free at the same time. Inasmuch as one's substance is diminished to equalize society, the person who loses is made less free.



Quote:
The bottom fifty percent pay 2.89% of the federal income tax on individuals and still they want more from the real producers--the real producers that set up the jobs in which they can work if they do not opt for welfare.
JamesMorrison
 
  2  
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 06:43 am
Here we go again:
Quote:
WASHINGTON " With the Senate working through an all-night session on a package of changes to the Democrats’ sweeping health care legislation, Republicans early Thursday morning identified parliamentary problems with at least two provisions that will require the measure to be sent back to the House for yet another vote, once the Senate adopts it.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/26/health/policy/26health.html?hp

JM
0 Replies
 
plainoldme
 
  0  
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:16 pm
There is no such thing as "basic conservative principles" because there are many schools of conservative thought. Bush et al represented the Neo-Cons, followers of Leo Strauss.
Cycloptichorn
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 01:18 pm
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/03/26/us/26obama_iowa_2/26obama_iowa_2-blogSpan.jpg

Punked by the prez, yeouch

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
ican711nm
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 02:31 pm
Quote:
March 26, 2010

Major First Amendment Victory:
Federal Appeals Court Unanimously Strikes Down
Limits on Political Speech

Arlington, Va."Today, the federal courts ruled once again to expand free speech rights by striking down government-imposed restrictions on participation in political campaigns. Citizens’ groups have now been freed to speak out in elections thanks to a unanimous “en banc” ruling today by all nine active judges on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. This is the first major application of the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Citizens United v. FEC, which expanded the free speech rights of corporations and unions to participate in elections.

Holding that, under Citizens United, “the government has no anti-corruption interest in limiting contributions to an independent expenditure group,” Chief Judge David Sentelle, in an opinion joined by all eight other judges on the D.C. Circuit, struck down federal campaign finance laws that made it practically impossible for new and independent groups of individuals to join together and advocate for the election or defeat of political candidates.

“This is a tremendous victory for free speech,” said Institute for Justice Senior Attorney Steve Simpson, who argued the case before the D.C. Circuit. “This decision ensures that all Americans can band together to make their voices heard during elections.”

The Institute for Justice (IJ) and the Center for Competitive Politics (CCP) filed the First Amendment challenge to the laws in February 2008 on behalf of SpeechNow.org, a group of citizens that want to pool their money to run independent political ads for or against candidates based on their support for the First Amendment. SpeechNow.org accepts money only from individuals"not corporations or unions"and does not make any contributions to political candidates or parties.


Although lone individuals have long been permitted to spend unlimited amounts of money on independent political ads, two or more individuals who pool their money in order to do the exact same thing are considered “political committees” and are subject to a host of burdensome regulations, including limits on how much they may contribute to fund the group’s political speech.

David Keating, the president and treasurer of SpeechNow.org, said, “I started SpeechNow.org to give ordinary citizens a voice in politics. Thanks to this ruling, citizens’ groups across the country"no matter what issues they care about"finally have the freedom to hold politicians accountable.”

In the ruling, the Court held that limits on the amount of money SpeechNow.org could raise from its donors violated the First Amendment. Noting that the ruling in Citizens United “simplifies the task of weighing the First Amendment interests implicated by contributions to SpeechNow,” the court concluded that, “the First Amendment cannot be encroached upon for naught.”

“We are grateful that the court recognized the importance of the right of association in politics and speech,” said Stephen M. Hoersting, CCP’s vice president and co-counsel for SpeechNow.org. “The court affirmed that groups of passionate individuals, like billionaires"and corporations and unions after Citizens United"have the right to spend without limit to independently advocate for or against federal candidates.”

Institute for Justice Senior Attorney Bert Gall said, “Critics of the Citizens United ruling should applaud the decision in SpeechNow.org v. FEC, which guarantees individuals and unincorporated groups the same First Amendment right to fund effective speech that Citizens United guaranteed for corporations and unions.”

Unfortunately, although the court’s ruling frees SpeechNow.org to raise money and speak, the court upheld other burdensome requirements identical to those struck down in Citizens United. Gall said, “Laws that are unconstitutionally burdensome for General Motors and the AFL-CIO have to be unconstitutional when applied to a volunteer group like SpeechNow.org. The court’s ruling that SpeechNow.org must comply with political committee regulations is just flat wrong.”

Bradley A. Smith, CCP’s chairman and a former FEC chairman, added, “It’s unfortunate that the court did not recognize how political committee status regulation by the FEC places restrictive burdens on grassroots political groups. The court’s decision means that the FEC regulatory regime will continue to favor large, established special interests over ad hoc groups of like-minded citizens who gather together to enhance their voices in politics.”

Chip Mellor, president and general counsel of the Institute for Justice, said, “With this ruling, the D.C. Circuit has moved us one step closer to ending this nation’s failed 35-year-old experiment with campaign finance ‘reform’ and restoring the First Amendment to its proper place. The era when incumbent politicians could tinker with freedom of speech to insulate themselves from public criticism is coming to an end.”
JamesMorrison
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 03:29 pm
Are we seeing a chicken coming home to roost here?

Social Security to See Payout Exceed Pay-In This Year
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/business/economy/25social.html?hp

Quote:
The problem, he [Stephen C. Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration] said, is that payments have risen more than expected during the downturn, because jobs disappeared and people applied for benefits sooner than they had planned. At the same time, the program’s revenue has fallen sharply, because there are fewer paychecks to tax.


But both Goss and the NYT article are hopeful:
Quote:
The trustees did foresee, in late 2008, that the recession would be severe enough to deplete Social Security’s funds more quickly than previously projected. They moved the year of reckoning forward, to 2037 from 2041. Mr. Goss declined to reveal the contents of the forthcoming annual report, but said people should not expect the date to lurch forward again.

As is the CBO:
Quote:
Indeed, the Congressional Budget Office’s projection shows the ravages of the recession easing in the next few years, with small surpluses reappearing briefly in 2014 and 2015

No worries then. Indeed, the article informs us that Alan Greenspan says we don’t have to do anything “…until the level of the trust fund gets to zero,” Oh, but what remedies will present themselves at that point? In relation to a similar historical problem in 1982 Mr. Greenspan relates those remedies:
Quote:
“raise taxes, lower benefits or bail out the program by tapping general revenue. The easiest choice, politically, would have been “solving the problem with the stroke of a pen, by printing the money,”

Well the first three efforts certainly sound vaguely familiar but printing more money? Wouldn’t that be, at least, inflationary? But wait! Would "tapping general revenue" leave less for other budget items? How would we possibly replace that revenue? Well, you know--raise taxes, again.

But here’s the deal, we all should know by now that as good and as professional as the CBO is, its analysis is subject to the old computer processing adage “GIGO” or “Garbage In Garbage Out” and must keep in mind the new liberal congress’s input of garbage known as the congressional parameters for the scoring of Obamacare (Put simply, if congress told the CBO to score a bill that included winning the Irish Sweepstakes as revenue it would have to do so).
Also the article itself admits to the inherent accuracy of prediction:
Quote:
Mr. Goss said Social Security’s annual report last year projected revenue would more than cover payouts until at least 2016 because economists expected a quicker, stronger recovery from the crisis. Officials foresaw an average unemployment rate of 8.2 percent in 2009 and 8.8 percent this year, though unemployment is hovering at nearly 10 percent.

But, speaking of “fewer paychecks”, what this hopeful article fails to mention is that the Bush tax cuts expire next year. This plus the tax increases on businesses brought upon them by Obamacare in the future will discourage hiring. This will slow the economy which will, in turn, further discourage employment. Additionally, like the article mentions, those who can will choose to collect benefits earlier thus imposing a double whammy on the system. I just saw a news piece that informed that many large corporations like Verizon have served employees notice that their health insurance will have to rise in cost (forced by Obamacare) and that layoffs are in the near future for many large companies. Does any of this sound familiar? Further, Arthur Laffer ( http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35341 )has predicted a recession within this recession (a double dip to be seen in 2011). This is what happened in the thirties after FDR’s policies and a protectionist congress. The only question is whether those who now govern us are more willing to pursue their present agenda bringing us closer to a European like socialist society or to further the original founders’ dreams of a country cherishing personal liberty and economic freedoms. It does seem clear, however, that the only question to be answered is exactly how much damage will our government inflict upon its own future legitimacy (both domestic and foreign) and American personal freedoms before the hope and change of November 2010. The domestic condition has a chance of improving in direct proportion to increased conservative (and not GOP) congressional control. I must say I think Sec. Clinton would have been better with a more mature administration but she did chose this portfolio with her eyes wide open. I am afraid foreign policy will have to wait until 2013 before any adults are allowed to so participate at a level that might allow good and reasoned real world foreign policy decisions.

JM
parados
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 03:37 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
But, speaking of “fewer paychecks”, what this hopeful article fails to mention is that the Bush tax cuts expire next year. This plus the tax increases on businesses brought upon them by Obamacare in the future will discourage hiring. This will slow the economy which will, in turn, further discourage employment
Let's see which chicken you are referring to in your post.

So James, care to make a bet on where the economy and unemployment will be in 1 year? I propose the economy will grow and am willing to put up $1000 against your $1000 that GDP will be higher in one year's time. I am also willing to put up $1000 that unemployment will be lower in one year's time.

Do you really believe what you are spouting here? Or are you just spreading fear?

JamesMorrison
 
  2  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 07:56 pm
Some more chickens:
Quote:
The ObamaCare Writedowns
The corporate damage rolls in, and Democrats are shocked!

It's been a banner week for Democrats: ObamaCare passed Congress in its final form on Thursday night, and the returns are already rolling in. Yesterday AT&T announced that it will be forced to make a $1 billion writedown due solely to the health bill, in what has become a wave of such corporate losses.

This wholesale destruction of wealth and capital came with more than ample warning. Turning over every couch cushion to make their new entitlement look affordable under Beltway accounting rules, Democrats decided to raise taxes on companies that do the public service of offering prescription drug benefits to their retirees instead of dumping them into Medicare. We and others warned this would lead to AT&T-like results, but like so many other ObamaCare objections Democrats waved them off as self-serving or "political."

Perhaps that explains why the Administration is now so touchy. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke took to the White House blog to write that while ObamaCare is great for business, "In the last few days, though, we have seen a couple of companies imply that reform will raise costs for them." In a Thursday interview on CNBC, Mr. Locke said "for them to come out, I think is premature and irresponsible."

Meanwhile, Henry Waxman and House Democrats announced yesterday that they will haul these companies in for an April 21 hearing because their judgment "appears to conflict with independent analyses, which show that the new law will expand coverage and bring down costs."

In other words, shoot the messenger. Black-letter financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden. Should these companies have played chicken with the Securities and Exchange Commission to avoid this politically inconvenient reality? Democrats don't like what their bill is doing in the real world, so they now want to intimidate CEOs into keeping quiet.

On top of AT&T's $1 billion, the writedown wave so far includes Deere & Co., $150 million; Caterpillar, $100 million; AK Steel, $31 million; 3M, $90 million; and Valero Energy, up to $20 million. Verizon has also warned its employees about its new higher health-care costs, and there will be many more in the coming days and weeks.

As Joe Biden might put it, this is a big, er, deal for shareholders and the economy. The consulting firm Towers Watson estimates that the total hit this year will reach nearly $14 billion, unless corporations cut retiree drug benefits when their labor contracts let them.

Meanwhile, John DiStaso of the New Hampshire Union Leader reported this week that ObamaCare could cost the Granite State's major ski resorts as much as $1 million in fines, because they hire large numbers of seasonal workers without offering health benefits. "The choices are pretty clear, either increase prices or cut costs, which could mean hiring fewer workers next winter," he wrote.

The Democratic political calculation with ObamaCare is the proverbial boiling frog: Gradually introduce a health-care entitlement by hiding the true costs, hook the middle class on new subsidies until they become unrepealable, but try to delay the adverse consequences and major new tax hikes so voters don't make the connection between their policy and the economic wreckage. But their bill was such a shoddy, jerry-rigged piece of work that the damage is coming sooner than even some critics expected.


Are these inconvient truths for the Democrats or, perhaps, just a vast corporate conspiracy? The new tactic of the Social Democratic Party now seems diversion. The GOP and conservatives in general are now accused by Dems of inciting violence or some such crap. These claims probably have the same validity of Rep. Lewis's recently disproved laments of being called the "N" word i.e. none. This in contrast to authorities pulling an actual bullet out of Rep. Cantor's office ( http://congress.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/03/25/exclusive-shot-fired-at-house-minority-whip-eric-cantors-richmond-office/ ) and Cantor's resoned and level headed response. If any individuals are using conservative backlash as political weapons it would be the DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen and DNC chairman Tim Kaine see the video here: http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2010/03/25/eric-cantors-office-shot-up/

JM
realjohnboy
 
  2  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 08:09 pm
@JamesMorrison,
JamesMorrison wrote:

It's been a banner week for Democrats: ObamaCare passed Congress in its final form on Thursday night, and the returns are already rolling in. Yesterday AT&T announced that it will be forced to make a $1 billion writedown due solely to the health bill, in what has become a wave of such corporate losses.

Please explain what your understanding is of the AT&T writedown. A writedown of what?
0 Replies
 
JamesMorrison
 
  2  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 08:20 pm
@parados,
Quote:
So James, care to make a bet on where the economy and unemployment will be in 1 year? I propose the economy will grow and am willing to put up $1000 against your $1000 that GDP will be higher in one year's time. I am also willing to put up $1000 that unemployment will be lower in one year's time.

Do you really believe what you are spouting here? Or are you just spreading fear?


You are kidding right? Remember, what happened when Obama bet taxpayer money early in 2009 that unemployment would be a mere 8.5% within a year? How, about Barney Frank's willingness to "roll the dice" on the taxpayer's dime? My money is earned by me, I, and myself and no other. Better I place a couple to three large in gold. Indeed you might be better finding a safer bet for your own wealth.
Quote:
Do you really believe what you are spouting here? Or are you just spreading fear?


Yes.
and
Fear can be a good thing and there is a darn good evolutionary reason we posess it as individuals. All I ask is that people demand, obtain, and analyze pertinent info before they make decisions. Politicians are not the only source of such information and neither am I. Do your research, draw your own conclusions and argue your case for there is much more at stake here then a couple of grand. However, it would be nice if Laffer is wrong about 2011.

JM
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 08:31 pm
@MASSAGAT,
Ever think about turning your talents to writing alternate history?

The bottom four quintiles -- a quintile is a fifth, or 20% -- of the working population has seen their earnings lie flaccid since 1979 while the earnings of the top 1% went through the roof.

What did that dynamic 1% do? WHy they moved jobs out of the country! They ruined the banks and the automotive industry then they ran to the government to ask to be helped.

And you sit in your wheel chair and complain about people on welfare . . . which no longer exists.

Like I said, alternate history! You certainly have the talent for it!
plainoldme
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 08:42 pm
Let's see. The 'geniuses' who have been running big businesses, the folks who had to major in business rather than in something that requires thought, whose greed was unrestrained because of the dismantling of regulations put in following the first Depression by the two bush and the reagan administration, messed up everything.

Once upon a time, shopping was fun. There were small stores where the merchandise was bought from independent designers and producers by the store owners personally. Now, there are Gaps and Starbucks on every corner, boring the consumer to death.

Once upon a time, even lowly jobs allowed workers to buy homes on a single salary.

Then the greed heads took over. Somehow those same guys who felt they didn't need to have regulations protecting the little man from them messed up royally and they ran to the government. The government that they had spurned suddenly decided it was Jesus Christ and turned the other cheek and bailed them out.

Meanwhile, out in the streets, their minions, mouthing their words, are chanting socialism in re: the bailout when it is the exact opposite.
okie
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 09:01 pm
@MASSAGAT,
MASSAGAT wrote:

Quote:
Most of the people who voted for Barack Hussein Obama are the losers in our society. ....

Amen!
okie
 
  0  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 09:28 pm
@okie,
It took a bunch of losers to vote for a loser.
maporsche
 
  1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 10:48 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
...the folks who had to major in business rather than in something that requires thought...


WOW! Do you really have to be so insulting?
0 Replies
 
MASSAGAT
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 11:32 pm
@plainoldme,
Ah, yes, plainoldme--Leo Strauss--A very interesting writer. Have you read any of his works. I have and I find some of it fascinating and thought provoking. Here is a section of Wikipedia which comments on one of his basic concerns:


quote from Wikipedia
While modern liberalism had stressed the pursuit of individual liberty as its highest goal, Strauss felt that there should be a greater interest in the problem of human excellence and political virtue. Through his writings, Strauss constantly raised the question of how, and to what extent, freedom and excellence can coexist
end of quote

Have you ever pondered the problem, plainoldme?

Can freedom and excellence co-exist?

Indeed, if there are thousands of Billionaires in the USA, doesn't that restrict the freedom of the rest of the nation?

Many would enjoy a much greater freedom if the excellence of the Billionaries were somehow to be cut down, don't you think?



0 Replies
 
MASSAGAT
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 11:38 pm
@ican711nm,
A great post, ican--When that ruling is added to the recent Supreme Court ruling striking down McCain-Fineberg, you will see millions come in to protest the dictatorship of the current regime. Surely, the left will have its move on.orgs and
Soros types but they cannot match the combined strength of American industry led by the Chambers of Commerce.

If you are interested, Ican, go to the "Real Clear Politics" site and see how many of the left wing Senators and House members are falling behind in the polls. Admittedly, there are about 220 days to go to Nov.2, 2010 but it bodes ill for any incumbent Democratic Senator who is not gathering at least 50% in the polls. Senator Harry Reid, for example, is trailing by at least 13 points.
0 Replies
 
MASSAGAT
 
  -2  
Reply Fri 26 Mar, 2010 11:41 pm
@parados,
I must commend you on your bravery, Parados. What a daring statement-
You said:
So James, care to make a bet on where the economy and unemployment will be in 1 year? I propose the economy will grow and am willing to put up $1000 against your $1000 that GDP will be higher in one year's time. I am also willing to put up $1000 that unemployment will be lower in one year's time.
********************************

How much higher will the GDP be, Parados?

Unemployment will be lower? How much lower? Parados?

Try this forecast on for size, parados--

» Institute for Economic Research » ForecastsUndergraduate Program
Course SequenceCoursesGeneral Catalog InformationAdvisingCareer InformationGraduate College Opportunities
Ph.D. Program
2009-10 Job Market CandidatesPlacementsAdmission RequirementsCoursesProgram ComponentsField Course ComponentGraduate CreditQualifying Exams and PapersTeaching and ResearchTuitionCurrent Students
Faculty
Recruiting
Conferences and Seminars
Seminars (Clarence Tow Lecture Series)Iowa Alumni WorkshopsMidwest International Economics Group
Institute for Economic Research
StaffForecastsHigher Education Price Index Rate of Inflation ForecastRegional Economic Impact of the University of IowaIowa Electronic MarketsMake a Gift to the DepartmentContact UsForecasts
Feb. 2010Dec. 2009Oct. 2009Aug. 2009Mar. 20092008 - 2003 Details Iowa Revenue Growth Forecast

Forecast Summary - February 2010
The consensus forecast published in the Blue Chip Economic Indicators (February 10th, 2010) is for real GDP growth of 3.0% in 2010 (up from 2.7% in December 2009) and for 3.1% growth in 2011. The Blue Chip consensus forecast is for a 2010 unemployment rate of 10.0% (up from 9.9% in December 2009) and a 2011 unemployment rate of 9.2%. The Consumer Price Index rate of inflation is predicted to be 2.2% in 2010 (up from 2.0% in December 2009) and 2.0% in 2011. The GDP Deflator rate of inflation is predicted to rise by 1.1% in 2010 (down from 1.3% in December 2009) and by 1.6% in 2011.


You don't like that one?
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
TEA PARTY TO AMERICA: NOW WHAT?! - Discussion by farmerman
 
Copyright © 2024 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.12 seconds on 09/20/2024 at 07:42:57