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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:01 pm
@ican711nm,
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Profit greed is continually held accountable via competition.


Shows how much you know and how little you've been exposed to. Such is always the case when your sole source of info is Sean Banality.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:02 pm
@JTT,
That's the best we can expect from people like ican and okie. Their primary source is obvious from what they post on a2k. I think their brains are shrinking at the rate of 5%/year.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh! You mean "the great recession" equals the current depression started in 2008! And you want to know how it was started.

I've addressed that in a previous post on this page: CRA, Fannie and Freddie, Bush’s TARP, and Obama’s Stimulus"all these are government loans and purchases--contributed to the USA’s employment depression.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:27 pm
@ican711nm,
They're your stupid interpretation not stated in my post. You're more ignorant than many on a2k.

There's no cure for stupidity like yours. How did you get through flying school? And you teach? ROFLMAO
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 05:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
They're your stupid interpretation not stated in my post. You're more ignorant than many on a2k.

There's no cure for stupidity like yours. How did you get through flying school? And you teach? ROFLMAO

Now that post of yours is nothing more than another one of your truly hysterical posts!

Just to remind you: I'm not the subject of this thread! I recommend you take a tranguilizer and, if you've got a rational counter argument, then make it.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 06:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
It's an obsession to pass legislation that the country voted you in to pass?

According to what I've learned from reading articles written by self-confessed Obama voters, who are now mad as hell at what Obama is trying to get adopted, "THEY DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA TO PASS WHAT HE HAS PASSED AND IS TRYING TO GET PASSED."

These self-confessed Obama voters appear convinced that Obama is more loyal to what Saul Alinski wanted than what they wanted. Maybe they're right!

Barack Obama loaned big money to the Big Banks and the Big Banks have paid it back with interest. Now Obama is criticizing the Big Banks for the bonuses the Big Banks have rewarded their managements as a result.

Obama forced the Big Banks to give very low interest loans to people, and then bailed the Big Banks out with government loans. Now that the Big Banks have paid back those government loans with interest, Obama is criticizing the Big Banks for accomplishing what Obama repeatedly said he wanted them to accomplish. That's the approach recommended by Saul Alinski for enabling government to take over the private economy.

Saul Alinski was/is Barack Obama’s mentor:
Quote:

http://www.nea.org/tools/17231.htm
Saul Alinsky wrote the book on American radicalism - two books, in fact: a 1945 best-seller, "Reveille for Radicals" and "Rules for Radicals" in 1971. The "Reveille" title page quotes Thomas Paine... "Let them call me rebel and welcome, I feel no concern from it; but I should suffer the misery of devils, were I to make a whore of my soul."

Saul Alinsky spends a lot of time critiquing the idea that "The end does not justify the means." What end? What means? He feels that there are circumstances where one can and should use means that in other circumstances would be unethical.

Soros IMPLIED the same thing about right ends justifying their means.
GEORGE SOROS in his 1995 book, page 145, [I]Soros on Soros[/I], wrote:
I do not accept the rules imposed by others. If I did, I would not be alive today. I am a law-abiding citizen, but I recognize that there are regimes that need to be opposed rather than accepted. And in periods of regime change, the normal rules don't apply. One needs to adjust one's behavior to the changing circumstances.

ALSO:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_organizing
1940 to 1960
Saul Alinsky, based in Chicago, is credited with originating the term community organizer during this time period. Alinsky wrote Reveille for Radicals, published in 1946, and Rules for Radicals, published in 1971. With these books, Alinsky was the first person in America to codify key strategies and aims of community organizing. He also founded the first national community organizing training network, the Industrial Areas Foundation, now led by one of his former lieutenants, Edward Chambers.[14]

McTag
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jan, 2010 04:59 am

Saw that arsehole Limbaugh- how can the Right accept him as a spokesperson?- on the Jon Stewart show when he said people should not help Obama send money to Haiti.

Hee seemed to think Obama was playing this for political advantage, and for that reason, Americans should not cooperate.
The next night on our TV, GW Bush was saying "Send money, we'll organise the relief effort with your help"

Meanwhile, they can still hear voices coming from under the ruined buildings. For how much longer?

Limbaugh should be staked out on a beach for the crabs and rats to eat.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jan, 2010 11:02 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Saw that arsehole Limbaugh- how can the Right accept him as a spokesperson?- on the Jon Stewart show when he said people should not help Obama send money to Haiti.



A comment, such as you note above, can increase donations, since those that were not going to donate do not need his directive, and those that are concerned about Haiti, and not one of his followers, might then just donate, perhaps, more.

Also, the U.S.A. needs to address the problems in Haiti, since it is very close to the U.S., and could become the breeding ground of radicalism in some future time. I see a future benefit to the U.S.A.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jan, 2010 08:21 pm
@Foofie,
Besides, who would trust Obama to get the money to where it should go? Anybody with any brain would never do that. When I heard the whitehouse was involved in this, I said Uh Oh, do not believe those guys, not the people that routinely lie about anything and everthing they are doing. Personally, I would recommend giving to private groups and charities, not through government.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jan, 2010 08:43 pm
@okie,
Sure, you would.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 10:09 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Besides, who would trust Obama to get the money to where it should go? Anybody with any brain would never do that. When I heard the whitehouse was involved in this, I said Uh Oh, do not believe those guys, not the people that routinely lie about anything and everthing they are doing. Personally, I would recommend giving to private groups and charities, not through government.


Why not just sell shares of Haiti? It comes complete with low wage employees. Capitalism can work miracles!
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 11:04 am
@okie,
First of all, anyone that think Obama is taking donations for Haiti is a complete moron. That means YOU okie as well as Limbaugh and any of his listeners.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/haitiearthquake_embed
They provide links to where to send donations called the ClintonBushHaiti fund. I can understand your not trusting GWBush with money for Haiti after we see the way he treated the US treasury but I don't think he is much more than a spokesman.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 11:14 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Quote:
@okie,
First of all, anyone that think Obama is taking donations for Haiti is a complete moron.


Spot on!
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BigTexN
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 02:04 pm
Haiti's poor construction and infrastructure contributed heavily to this crisis. Now, Obama is flying in to "bail them out"

But isn't Obama trying to tax the banks who received bailout funds?

Quote:
“We want our money back, and we’re going to get it"


Look out Haiti, I feel a tax coming on!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 02:44 pm
@BigTexN,
Death and taxes are guaranteed - as never before.
BigTexN
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 02:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
LMAO!!!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 03:22 pm
@BigTexN,
What? All the way to your grave or to the IRS?
LMAO
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 03:39 pm
@ican711nm,
Ican and Okie, it seems Obama's domestic agenda has always been aimed at the overall goal of increased (if not total) governmental control of every aspect of American life. But if this view is accepted, the question still must be asked as to why he has, not only, pushed this agenda so hard, so soon, and on so many fronts but continues to do so (presently on Universal health care) despite the wishes of a majority of Americans and a decrease in personal popularity and his job approval ratings even to the point of total a disregard for his political future.
But there is also the puzzle (at least to some of us Americans) regarding an Obama foreign policy that subjects past American actions to harsh criticism, seeks to apologize for such, denies American exceptionalism, shows passivity towards those that mean us harm, and turns away from classical and newly acquired U.S. allies. Obama seemingly is campaigning for the title of "The Great Equalizer". To some these efforts seem a disconnect from the classic duties of the American Executive a la George Washington who sorely feels his guiding principle demands he protect Americans and guard the U.S. constitution at all costs.

Well, James W. Ceaser in an article in The Weekly Standard gives us a really interesting narrative that attempts to pull a lot of this policy dissonance into a common cord and assigns Obama a different title. This is almost 4 solid pages but if you invest some time you may find this interesting. The last 2 paragraphs:
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"The same pressure to hew to the dictates of the new religion [of Humanity] is evident in the efforts of Obama’s intellectual supporters to save postpartisanship from the simple hoax that most now believe it to have been. Postpartisanship, we are told, never meant anything as mundane as dealing with the other party. It referred instead to working with those who embrace the consensus of the new era. It therefore explicitly excludes the bulk of the Republican party, which comprises those who cling stubbornly to their theology and metaphysics. Only those elements that have adapted or evolved qualify as potential postpartisan partners. The standard for inclusion is not an expression of popular will, but criteria supplied by the idea of progress. What has made many Americans increasingly suspicious of the office of leader of Humanity is their growing perception that it rests ultimately on contempt for the people.

The conflicting demands of the Religion of Humanity and the presidency of the United States have become most apparent in the administration’s approach to dealing with the threat of Islamic terrorism. The Religion of Humanity, by its own reckoning, admits to facing challenges from two quarters: from those who have not yet fully entered the age of Positivism, which includes the terrorists, and from those who are part of the advanced world but who refuse to embrace it, which includes the likes of George W. Bush. In the present situation, these two groups are understood to have a symbiotic relationship. The existence of the terrorists is regrettable, not only because of the physical threat that they pose, but also because, by doing so, they risk strengthening the hand of those in the West who reject the Religion of Humanity. Supporters of the Religion of Humanity therefore believe they have good reason to deny or minimize the danger of terrorism in order to save the world from the even greater danger of the triumph of the retrograde forces. This is the dogmatic basis of political correctness, and Obama and his team have gone to considerable lengths by their policies and by their use of language to hide reality. But reality has a way of asserting itself, and it is becoming clearer by the day that being the leader of Humanity is incompatible with being the president of the United States. No man can serve two masters."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/roots-obama-worship


JM
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 03:46 pm
@JamesMorrison,
JM wrote:
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...shows passivity towards those that mean us harm...


And how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion? Is the increase of troops in Afghanistan part of his passivity? FYI, that's where the Taliban/al Qaida is headquartered, and most of their recruitment are taking place.

How would "you" minimize terrorist activity in this world? What are your plans to not be passive?
JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Mon 18 Jan, 2010 03:52 pm
I've heard noises about not only helping Haiti out but rebuilding infrastructure and some of this even sounds like sort of a Mini-Marshall plan to encourage increases in GDP, their economy, etc. Is this really true?

JM
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