AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

evidence of kickycan's incompetence: Wow, you can actually watch the slow disintegration of Ican's mind in this thread. It's almost like reading "Flowers for Algernon" again. Cool.

That's because you refused to provide actual evidence to back your position up, and refused to engage me when I provided logical argumentation against your positions. When I asked which positions you required more information for, you refused to say which ones. These are the actions of someone who cannot support their claims.

You are the one claiming or opining the evidence I provided to support my claim that there are 12 falsities in Obama's last speech to Congress, is not valid.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

That's because you refused to provide actual evidence to back your position up, and refused to engage me when I provided logical argumentation against your positions. When I asked which positions you required more information for, you refused to say which ones. These are the actions of someone who cannot support their claims.

What were:
(1) your logical argumentation against my positions?
(2) your positions about which you asked me whether I required more information?

http://able2know.org/topic/113196-856#post-3773653

The Tennessee Center for Policy Research is a right-wing think tank that lies repeatedly in order to advance their positions.

On this list,

#1 is a lie and an obvious one to anyone who has researched buying personal health care without going through an employer.

#2 is a lie, because it doesn't take into account those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get coverage.

#3 is debatable; we do have better outcomes, but only for the rich and mostly for the White. Other races and social classes have extremely poor outcome rates.

#4 is a lie, a company who chooses to drop their insurance isn't being forced to do so. Employers will not be forced to modify their plans, the Insurance companies will; and if they don't meet the minimums, they were shitty plans to begin with.

#5 is a lie, the insurance companies will have hugely expanded pools with which to amortize costs, this is nothing more than repeating the lies of the insurance industry with no proof to back it up.

#6 is a duplicate of #5. This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your article, Ican.

#7 is a lie, b/c we have subsidies for those who can't afford to buy basic services. Unless the 'senior member' has a name, we can assume that someone straight made this up.

#8 is debatable, but what the authors call a problem is actually not a problem; the health care companies which will go out of business are the ones who will not be able to demonstrate that their existence is necessary.

#9 does not directly address the president's statement, but instead changes the subject in order to try and distract from the fact that they can't find any argument with the president's statement.

#10 is a straight-up lie. There is no truth to this whatsoever.

#11 is debatable, and probably the only moderately accurate point your piece makes.

#12 is a lie. Those who are currently being forced to purchase expensive plans will no longer be forced to do so, b/c part of the reform is to deny insurers the ability to discriminate based on pre-existing conditions.

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In short, a pack of lies with no data to support them. You should be ******* ashamed to even have posted this.

... Feel free to request more info on the ones you think I'm wrong about.

Well, Foofie, you mealy-mouthed, hypocritical son-of-a-bitch, i voluntarily joined the United States Army, and served every day of my three year enlistment. How long were you in the armed forces?

Foofie, please provide:
(1) some examples of the WREDAP insults to those that had family that died, or were injured, in wars fought to maintain our Republic going back to the colonial days;
(2) some examples of the WREDAP display of ingratitude to our country that has allowed hard work to result in one's family living better.

Uh-huh. What was your MOS?

They are contained within my post listing my opinions that each of the 12 points raised - with the exception of maybe one or two - are lies. I went into more detail with some than others, but I would be happy to provide more info on any of them.

Let me go hunt the link...

Here we go.

http://able2know.org/topic/113196-856#post-3773653

Feel free to request more info on the ones you think I'm wrong about.

First, you must affirmative claim that these 11 things are true, and provide evidence to support your allegations that they are true. I'm not interested in doing work unless you are similarly interested in doing work, Ican. You cannot dodge the responsibility for backing up your claims with facts by trying to force your opponents to do your work for you, ICan.

I am making the assumption that many of the families that have been here, going back to the early twentieth century or earlier, have had males in a few wars, and therefore for those families who suffered loss due to those (men in earlier) wars, redistribution of wealth is an insult to the men who fought for a country where previously one was allowed to keep what one earned. You know like the Cartwrights in Bonanza. The America that those men died for was an America where one was allowed to keep the fruits of one's labor.

Families that have accumulated any wealth/land by being here in earlier centuries, also helped build a country that present immigrants, or those that came in the latter twentieth century, do not have to do any "building." I personally think it is a lack of gratitude to those families, to be willing to take their wealth in a redistribution paradigm, since it was those families that helped make this such a decent country to live in.

Notice that immigrants today do not have to be drafted into the military. There was a time that coming to the country did not result in food stamps, SSI payments, or even hospital emergency rooms, and males were drafted into wars. People lived and died, based on their own efforts. I would not want one cent to be redistributed from any families that had prior generations suffer, to give us today's U.S.A.

Ican, you should not type when you are flustered.

foofie, are you still ignoring my question about the natives?

what about the native Americans?

talk about wealth redistribution...

Foofie, I eventually placed Setanta on ignore for his name calling and foul mouthed posts. I would advise you not to waste much time on him.