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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 10:51 am
In the spirit of continuing to ignore dittoheads and concentrating on the grown-up conservatives instead: On the footheels of Richard Posner publically coming out as a Keynesian, Alan Greenspan, the Objectivist, Ayn Rand confidante, and Federal Reserve Chairman, is now calling for higher taxes. As Galileo might have said, they do move. Good for them!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 10:54 am
@Thomas,
So does Bruce Bartlett -

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/09/bruce-bartlett-argues-fiscal-responsibility-requires-higher-taxes-forbes.html

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 10:55 am
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
But don't let my opinion of your idol sway you, ican. Make Sarah Palin the head of your MAC movement. Us evil libruls would love to see that happen far more than you realize.

OK!

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CORRECTION!
Appear, hell! WREDA are terrified that Sarah Palin may in fact run in 2012 against Barack Obam, a WREDAP!
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 10:56 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Debra Law wrote:
But don't let my opinion of your idol sway you, ican. Make Sarah Palin the head of your MAC movement. Us evil libruls would love to see that happen far more than you realize.

OK!

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CORRECTION!
Appear, hell! WREDA are terrified that Sarah Palin may in fact run in 2012 against Barack Obam, a WREDAP!


Ican, for the love of god! The Democrats are praying that you run her. I hope you do! Obama would ******* destroy her and you know it, because she's a fool, a true idiot.

How you can get the idea that we somehow fear her, Laughing it's almost beyond laughable. She would be the worst possible choice for your party. I would wager every single dollar I had against her winning, but the problem is, nobody would take the bet.

Cycloptichorn
MontereyJack
 
  3  
Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 11:07 am
Exactly so, Cyc. PLEASE, ican, we are BEGGING you, spend every waking moment between now and 2012 working to get the Republicans to run Sarah Palin. She could very well be the first candidate of a major party whose percentage of the vote is in single digits. We're so afraid we're just shaking in our boots ,<tremble, tremble>.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:14 pm
@ican711nm,
Obama is at best horribly incompetent. He repeatedly states falsities many of which are contradictions of his previous falsities.

Quote:

http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/09/analysis-of-president-obamas-speech-to-congress-on-healthcare.html
September 10, 2009
Analysis of President Obama’s Speech to Congress on Healthcare
From Tennessee Center for Policy Research

Based on a compilation of independent sources, the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has analyzed President Obama’s September 9th speech to a joint session of Congress outlining his new healthcare plan. That analysis is below:

(1) The President Said: “Buying insurance on your own costs you three times as much as the coverage you get from your employer."

The Reality Is: “Premiums for employment-based plans are expected to average about $5,000 per year for single coverage and about $13,000 per year for family coverage in 2009. Premiums for policies purchased in the individual insurance market are, on average, much lower"about one-third lower for single coverage and one-half lower for family policies.”

(2) The President Said: “There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get health insurance] coverage.”

The Reality Is: As many as 75% of the uninsured could afford coverage, meaning that less than 10 million uninsured Americans may be unable to afford coverage.

(3) The President Said: “We spend one-and-a-half times more per person on health care than any other country, but we aren't any healthier for it.”

The Reality Is: While Americans do in fact spend more on healthcare than any other nation, “When you compare the outcomes for specific diseases, the United States clearly outperforms the rest of the world. Whether the disease is cancer, pneumonia, heart disease, or AIDS, the chances of a patient surviving are far higher in the United States than in other countries.”

(4) The President Said: If you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.”

The Reality Is: Many employers will be forced to modify their plans to meet the new government standards and still others will simply drop coverage for their employees, forcing employees to obtain their own coverage or join the government-run plan. The Urban Institute estimates that up to 47 million Americans will lose their current coverage, while the Lewin Group estimates that as many as 114 million Americans’ coverage will be dropped.

(5) The President Said: “[Insurance companies] will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies…”

The Reality Is: Forcing insurance companies to eliminate caps and cover routine treatments will drastically increase health insurance costs and compel insurance companies to skimp on important and necessary treatments. Individuals can purchase coverage for the treatments mentioned, but it should be optional, not compulsory.

(6) The President Said: “[Insurance companies] will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies…”

The Reality Is: Forcing insurance companies to eliminate caps and cover routine treatments will drastically increase health insurance costs and compel insurance companies to skimp on important and necessary treatments. Individuals can purchase coverage for the treatments mentioned, but it should be optional, not compulsory.

(7) The President Said: “Under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance…”

The Reality Is: Despite the fact that the President pledged not to raise taxes on those making less than $250,000 a year, a senior member of his own Administration admits that a mandate “will act as a very regressive tax, penalizing uninsured people who genuinely cannot afford to buy coverage.”

(8) The President Said: “An additional step we can take to keep insurance companies honest is by making a not-for-profit public option available in the insurance exchange.”

The Reality Is: Public entities never compete on a level playing field with private companies. First, public entities have an unlimited supply of investors"the American taxpayer. Second, the public entities set the rules that the private companies must abide by, giving them an unfair advantage. A public option would actually “reduce competition by driving lower-cost private health plans out of business.”

(9) The President Said: “I have insisted that like any private insurance company, the public insurance option would have to be self-sufficient and rely on the premiums it collects.”

The Reality Is: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were also intended to be self-sufficient, but they have been bailed out and could eventually cost taxpayers upwards of $200 billion.

(10) The President Said: “I will make sure that no government bureaucrat or insurance company bureaucrat gets between you and the care that you need.”

The Reality Is: Actually, the President proposes setting up a bureaucracy between patients and doctors, called the Independent Medicare Advisory Council. This new body “would enhance Medicare’s ability to deny care to the elderly and disabled based on government bureaucrats’ arbitrary valuations of those patients’ lives.”

(11) The President Said: “I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits - either now or in the future.”

The Reality Is: The Congressional Budget Office estimates that the leading current plan, H.R. 3200, will increase the deficit by $239 billion over the next ten years alone.

(12) The President Said: “This reform will charge insurance companies a fee for their most expensive policies.”

The Reality Is: While geared toward “Cadillac” insurance policies, this fee will be passed on to consumers, so those forced to purchase expensive policies because they are unhealthy or need expansive treatment will be hit the hardest.



ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:18 pm
@Rockhead,
The direction I'd like to see American conservatives take

A More Civil Conservatism

The kind of American conservative poster I'd like to read more of

Quote:
Postscript: Missouri State University student Gabriel McLaughlin is in line to become the William F. Buckley of the Ozarks. Buckley (who began his journalistic career as a young conservative at Yale) famously distanced the modern conservative movement from the conspiracy-mongering of the John Birch Society. Writing in the pages of MSU’s The Standard, McLaughlin attempts to distance Ozarks conservatism from Glenn Beck. Arguing that “Beck’s extreme voice drowns out real conservatives’ views,” he condemns the politics of fear. As McLaughlin points out, “Reagan didn’t win elections because he ran around promoting catastrophic ‘what if’ scenarios and claiming that there are socialists plotting against us. He won by boldly proclaiming the optimistic idea that ‘America’s best days and democracy’s best days lie ahead.’”


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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:18 pm
@Rockhead,
It bears repeating

in response to a FF classic

Rockhead wrote:

qualifying and dancing nicely around your insults does not make them any less insulting.

you reap what you sow.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:26 pm
@ican711nm,
The Tennessee Center for Policy Research is a right-wing think tank that lies repeatedly in order to advance their positions.

On this list,

#1 is a lie and an obvious one to anyone who has researched buying personal health care without going through an employer.

#2 is a lie, because it doesn't take into account those with pre-existing conditions who cannot get coverage.

#3 is debatable; we do have better outcomes, but only for the rich and mostly for the White. Other races and social classes have extremely poor outcome rates.

#4 is a lie, a company who chooses to drop their insurance isn't being forced to do so. Employers will not be forced to modify their plans, the Insurance companies will; and if they don't meet the minimums, they were shitty plans to begin with.

#5 is a lie, the insurance companies will have hugely expanded pools with which to amortize costs, this is nothing more than repeating the lies of the insurance industry with no proof to back it up.

#6 is a duplicate of #5. This doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in your article, Ican.

#7 is a lie, b/c we have subsidies for those who can't afford to buy basic services. Unless the 'senior member' has a name, we can assume that someone straight made this up.

#8 is debatable, but what the authors call a problem is actually not a problem; the health care companies which will go out of business are the ones who will not be able to demonstrate that their existence is necessary.

#9 does not directly address the president's statement, but instead changes the subject in order to try and distract from the fact that they can't find any argument with the president's statement.

#10 is a straight-up lie. There is no truth to this whatsoever.

#11 is debatable, and probably the only moderately accurate point your piece makes.

#12 is a lie. Those who are currently being forced to purchase expensive plans will no longer be forced to do so, b/c part of the reform is to deny insurers the ability to discriminate based on pre-existing conditions.

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In short, a pack of lies with no data to support them. You should be ******* ashamed to even have posted this.

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You have merely labelled statements that are either clearly correct or at least arguable as lies, and have done so without any proof or substantiation except your bland assertion that the source is a right-wing organization and therefore given only to lies.

Are you even aware of the extent to which your own behavior so clearly demonstrates failings that you attribute to others?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 12:50 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

You have merely labelled statements that are either clearly correct or at least arguable as lies, and have done so without any proof or substantiation except your bland assertion that the source is a right-wing organization and therefore given only to lies.


In most cases I provided some logic behind why I thought the claim was a lie. But, since you mention it, why don't you point out which claims you believe are true? Which statement was 'clearly correct?'

Quote:
Are you even aware of the extent to which your own behavior so clearly demonstrates failings that you attribute to others?


The difference between you and I, George, is that I will respond to your specific requests for documentation without calling you names for asking to see it.

Nobody is required to provide extensive and documented evidence in every single post they make, but they should be willing to provide it upon request; as I am. So. Tell me what you think I am wrong about, and I will provide you evidence that I am not in fact wrong, or take back my allegation.

Unless that's too much work for you too.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
  0  
Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 01:19 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ican, for the love of god! The Democrats are praying that you run her. I hope you do! Obama would ******* destroy her and you know it, because she's a fool, a true idiot.

How you can get the idea that we somehow fear her, it's almost beyond laughable. She would be the worst possible choice for your party. I would wager every single dollar I had against her winning, but the problem is, nobody would take the bet.


"me thinks he does protest too much" ... actually I think all the WREDA protest Sarah Palin too much for me to believe they actually think "she's a fool, a true idiot".

SECOND CORRECTION !
All WREDA are IN A PANIC that Sarah Palin may actually run in 2012 against Barack Obama, a WREDAP!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 01:35 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
PLEASE, ican, we are BEGGING you, spend every waking moment between now and 2012 working to get the Republicans to run Sarah Palin. She could very well be the first candidate of a major party whose percentage of the vote is in single digits. We're so afraid we're just shaking in our boots ,<tremble, tremble>.


OK!

well maybe not "every waking moment" ... i'll take time to eat and be merry ... like right now ...
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 01:58 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ican, for the love of god! The Democrats are praying that you run her. I hope you do! Obama would ******* destroy her and you know it, because she's a fool, a true idiot.

How you can get the idea that we somehow fear her, it's almost beyond laughable. She would be the worst possible choice for your party. I would wager every single dollar I had against her winning, but the problem is, nobody would take the bet.


"me thinks he does protest too much" ... actually I think all the WREDA protest Sarah Palin too much for me to believe they actually think "she's a fool, a true idiot".

SECOND CORRECTION !
All WREDA are IN A PANIC that Sarah Palin may actually run in 2012 against Barack Obama, a WREDAP!



Dear sweet naive ican:

Sarah Palin and her following of idiots constitute the proverbial train wreck that we can't look away from. Why should we look away? This wreck is a constant source of amusement, you betcha! Now go stand in line to buy her book. Your woman needs new clothes.
McTag
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 02:24 pm

On The Jon Stewart Show a couple of nights ago, he had Congressman Ron Paul ((R), Texas) to discuss and promote his new book, End The Fed

He was one of the more interesting guests of recent weeks and had a lot to say about the practice of printing money to sustain the growth of government, ultimately unsustainably.
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ican711nm
 
  -1  
Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 03:51 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
Dear sweet naive ican:

Sarah Palin and her following of idiots constitute the proverbial train wreck that we can't look away from. Why should we look away? This wreck is a constant source of amusement, you betcha! Now go stand in line to buy her book. Your woman needs new clothes.

Wow! Debra, baby, you're in a worse state of panic about Sarah Palin being the next president of the USA than I previously thought. Calm down, calm down, calm down. Obama might resign like Nixon did, or be impeached and removed before the end of his term. Then you WREDA will have a chance to nominate a competent candidate to serve your objectives.

Here's something besides the WREDAP lying propaganda about who and what Sarah Palin actually is. She says what she means, and means what she says.
Quote:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Conventions/story?id=5720910&page=1

Full remarks as prepared for delivery and provided by the McCain campaign of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as she accepts the 2008 Republican vice presidential nomination on Sept. 3, 2008, at the Xcel Energy Center in Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

...

Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States...

I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America.

I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election... against confident opponents ... at a crucial hour for our country.

And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions ... and met far graver challenges ... and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.

It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.

With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.

But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.

They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination, resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better.

And maybe that's because they realize there is a time for politics and a time for leadership ... a time to campaign and a time to put our country first.

Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by.

He's a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief. I'm just one of many moms who'll say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm's way.

Our son Track is 19.

And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country.

My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.

My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children.

In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between - my strong and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper.

And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.

That's how it is with us.

Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys.


Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.

And children with special needs inspire a special love.

To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.

I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.

He's a lifelong commercial fisherman ... a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope ... a proud member of the United Steel Workers' Union ... and world champion snow machine racer.

Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package.

We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he's still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town.

And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.

My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from Missouri followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency.

A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they're always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better.

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.

Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.

As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man. I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment.< br> And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.

Politics isn't just a game of clashing parties and competing interests.

The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.

No one expects us to agree on everything.

But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and ... a servant's heart.

I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as vice president of the United States. This was the spirit that brought me to the governor's office, when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good-ol' boys network.

Sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests and power brokers. That's why true reform is so hard to achieve.

But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up.

And in short order we put the government of our state back on the side of the people.

I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.


While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.

Senator McCain also promises to use the power of veto in defense of the public interest - and as a chief executive, I can assure you it works.

Our state budget is under control.

We have a surplus.

And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.

I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves. When oil and gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly to the people of Alaska.

And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.

As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.

And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.

The stakes for our nation could not be higher.

When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.

With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of world energy supplies ... or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia ... or that Venezuela might shut off its oil deliveries ... we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already.

But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more new-clear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.


This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.

Terrorist states are seeking new-clear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government is too big ... he wants to grow it.

Congress spends too much ... he promises more.

Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.

The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.

How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.

How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.

Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speechmaking, in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things.

And then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who actually do great things. They're the ones who are good for more than talk ... the ones we have always been able to count on to serve and defend America. Senator McCain's record of actual achievement and reform helps explain why so many special interests, lobbyists, and comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of a McCain presidency - from the primary election of 2000 to this very day.

Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd.

He's a man who's there to serve his country, and not just his party.

A leader who's not looking for a fight, but is not afraid of one either. Harry Reid, the Majority Leader of the current do-nothing Senate, not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee.

He said, quote, "I can't stand John McCain." Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we've chosen the right man. Clearly what the Majority Leader was driving at is that he can't stand up to John McCain. That is only one more reason to take the maverick of the Senate and put him in the White House. My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of "personal discovery." This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn't just need an organizer.

And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.


There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death ... and that man is John McCain. In our day, politicians have readily shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world in which this man, and others equally brave, served and suffered for their country.

It's a long way from the fear and pain and squalor of a six-by-four cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.

But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he will have made.

It's the journey of an upright and honorable man - the kind of fellow whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this country, only he was among those who came home.

To the most powerful office on earth, he would bring the compassion that comes from having once been powerless ... the wisdom that comes even to the captives, by the grace of God ... the special confidence of those who have seen evil, and seen how evil is overcome. A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio, recalls looking through a pin-hole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander John McCain was led down the hallway, by the guards, day after day.

As the story is told, "When McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn toward Moe's door and flash a grin and thumbs up" - as if to say, "We're going to pull through this." My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us through these next four years.

For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words.

For a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.

If character is the measure in this election ... and hope the theme ... and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States.

Thank you all, and may God bless America.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 03:54 pm
@ican711nm,
I think you must be pulling our legs, Ican. Not even you are this removed from reality, as to think that she would be a successful candidate at the top of your ticket.

Cycloptichorn
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 04:15 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:
Wow! Debra, baby, . . . Here's something besides the WREDAP lying propaganda about who and what Sarah Palin actually is. She says what she means, and means what she says.


Dear sweet naive ican:

Your home-made acronyms are getting longer and longer ican, baby, just like Pinocchio's nose.

Why would you copy and paste words written by a speech writer that Sarah practiced for weeks to read off a teleprompter to exemplify that Sarah says what she means and means what she says? When our dear GOP leader wannabe (for the money) Sarah speaks without the assistance of a speech writer and weeks of practice, she reveals herself to be a blubbering, incoherent ignoramus. We all know that, ican, baby. Therefore, it isn't neccessary for evil libruls to resort to the rightwing tool of choice, i.e., lying propaganda, because the truth is more than sufficient.
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 04:42 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

You have merely labelled statements that are either clearly correct or at least arguable as lies, and have done so without any proof or substantiation except your bland assertion that the source is a right-wing organization and therefore given only to lies.

Are you even aware of the extent to which your own behavior so clearly demonstrates failings that you attribute to others?

That was at least the third time ican posted that piece. Several pages ago old europe and myself both refuted several of the claims made in it. The response so far has been to continue posting it.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Oct, 2009 06:08 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
Why would you copy and paste words written by a speech writer that Sarah practiced for weeks to read off a teleprompter to exemplify that Sarah says what she means and means what she says? When our dear GOP leader wannabe (for the money) Sarah speaks without the assistance of a speech writer and weeks of practice, she reveals herself to be a blubbering, incoherent ignoramus. We all know that, ican, baby. Therefore, it isn't neccessary for evil libruls to resort to the rightwing tool of choice, i.e., lying propaganda, because the truth is more than sufficient.

Debra, sweetie, Sarah Palin gave almost all her nomination speech that she wrote with the aid of a speech writer, without the aid of a working teleprompter. That fact must terrify you!

Barach Obama without his speech writer's speech on a working teleprompter, reveals himself to be "a blubbering, incoherent ignoramus."

Sarah did poorly in television interviews, when asked questions about things she didn't know.

Barack does poorly in television interviews, when asked questions about things he doesn't know.

You continue to try to convince yourself that if Sarah Palin is the Republican candidate for president, she won't defeat Barack Obama!

 

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