AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@blatham,

blatham wrote:

okie
I would love to convince you that Rush is just about the worst model for conservative thought and history that you might pick. I'd love to, but it ain't gonna happen.

Well, he is certainly better than you or P.T. Obama.

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@okie,

Let's see:

Rush
1. Preaches a consistent doctrine of limited government
2. Preaches a consistent doctrine of Constitutional authority
3. Preaches a consistent doctrine that judges should interpret the law and
the Constitution within strict legal perimeters and should not legislate
from the bench
4. Preaches a consistent doctrine of free trade
5. Preaches a consistent doctrine of unalienable rights
6. Preaches a consistent doctrine that the government should do only what
the private sector cannot do more effectively or efficiently.
7. Preaches a consistent doctrine of an America based on a value set that
has carried us intact through good times and bad and a tearing down of
such values must be resisted.
8. Preaches a consistent doctrine of a strong and efficient military
tempered by those basic values is the world's best hope for a permanent
peace.
9. Preaches a consistent doctrine that Leftist and Socialist ideals are
detrimental to human freedoms and human happiness and should
be strongly denounced and resisted.
10. Preaches a consistent doctrine of faith in human ingenuity, the human
spirit, human ambition, and human determination to solve human
problems and achieve a more peaceful, prosperous, and satisfying
world for the most humans; and obtrusive government is a hindrance
to that more often than not.

Sounds pretty conservative to me. In fact, I haven't detected much liberalism in Rush at all.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

By the way, one thing mystifies me, what is so difficult for people that want to vote simply go register? Are people so helpless? We don't need these phoney organizations running scams. Are the Dems trying to steal the election? I think that is part of the game being played if you ask me.

1) I went and registered myself at at the DMV.
2) I worked with a voter drive here in Northern VA.

So I've talked with a lot of people and I what I found out is that most of the time on these voter drives, we got to a door and people were already registered. So we would verify that they had registered in the last year and then we'd move on to the next house. On the occasion that they were not registered, we gave them the paperwork and told them where to mail it or offered to wait while they filled it out and we would return it to the office.

The people being helpless bit is a terribly ignorant statement. Many parents in single parent households don't have time to go to the barber let alone wait in long lines at public offices.

Also, if this is how you feel, I'm sure that all the registration rallies at churches should be stopped too.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Let's see:

Rush
1. Preaches a consistent doctrine of limited government
2. Preaches a consistent doctrine of Constitutional authority
3. Preaches a consistent doctrine that judges should interpret the law and
the Constitution within strict legal perimeters and should not legislate
from the bench
4. Preaches a consistent doctrine of free trade
5. Preaches a consistent doctrine of unalienable rights
6. Preaches a consistent doctrine that the government should do only what
the private sector cannot do more effectively or efficiently.
7. Preaches a consistent doctrine of an America based on a value set that
has carried us intact through good times and bad and a tearing down of
such values must be resisted.
8. Preaches a consistent doctrine of a strong and efficient military
tempered by those basic values is the world's best hope for a permanent
peace.
9. Preaches a consistent doctrine that Leftist and Socialist ideals are
detrimental to human freedoms and human happiness and should
be strongly denounced and resisted.
10. Preaches a consistent doctrine of faith in human ingenuity, the human
spirit, human ambition, and human determination to solve human
problems and achieve a more peaceful, prosperous, and satisfying
world for the most humans; and obtrusive government is a hindrance
to that more often than not.

Sounds pretty conservative to me. In fact, I haven't detected much liberalism in Rush at all.
5.

I'm going to start referring to him as your Messiah!

You left off:

11. Preaches hate and intolerance towards Liberals and Minorities.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I have never heard Rush do that. Do you have any examples of that Cyclop? Please provide any examples you present within their full scope and context however.

Thank you.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

I have never heard Rush do that. Do you have any examples of that Cyclop? Please provide any examples you present within their full scope and context however.

Thank you.

We've been through this dance before, Fox, and it was tiresome last time. Every time evidence is presented that Rush is a douchebag, you simply assert that 'the context isn't there' or some similar bullshit.

But just to throw a bone out there, when he got kicked off of ESPN for racism, that should have served as a hint to ya that your Messiah isn't Mr. Sunshine.

Cycloptichorn

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Okay stop a second...

I don' want to track it back. Who invoked Rush? Who is trying to defend the guy?

Would a conservative people explain to me how in any way it is honorable for Rush to try and sabotage the democratic primaries by getting republicans to register as democrats and vote for Hillary to keep it going as long as possible?

Somebody want to defend that?

He's not a good man. As for what he says, he's like any other shock jock, he makes his money by saying what gets ratings. His product is no different than Howard Stern. To pretend that there is some greater philosophical footing behind it is obsurd.

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@Cycloptichorn,

He got kicked off ESPN for saying that Donovan McNabb was overrated and the media wanted him to succeed because he was a black guy. It was sort of like Geraldine Ferraro saying that the only reason Barack Obama was as successful as he was in the campaign was because he was a black man.

Racist? Or simply stating the facts? It would be pretty much in the eye of the beholder wouldn't you think?

Certainly not hateful, however.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

He got kicked off ESPN for saying that Donovan McNabb was overrated and the media wanted him to succeed because he was a black guy. It was sort of like Geraldine Ferraro saying that the only reason Barack Obama was as successful as he was in the campaign was because he was a black man.

Racist? Or simply stating the facts? It would be pretty much in the eye of the beholder wouldn't you think?

Certainly not hateful, however.

Well, nobody expected you to agree that your Messiah was a hateful douchebag, Fox. But it's pretty clear to the rest of us.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I have never heard Rush do that. Do you have any examples of that Cyclop? Please provide any examples you present within their full scope and context however.

Thank you.

We've been through this dance before, Fox, and it was tiresome last time. Every time evidence is presented that Rush is a douchebag, you simply assert that 'the context isn't there' or some similar bullshit.

But just to throw a bone out there, when he got kicked off of ESPN for racism, that should have served as a hint to ya that your Messiah isn't Mr. Sunshine.

Cycloptichorn

Oh and Fox... here...

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@Diest TKO,

Operation Chaos was a gimmick that he had a lot of fun with. On one hand you Lefties sanctimoniously pronounce Rush as nothing more than an entertainer and windbag and nobody should pay any attention to him. On the other you take him very very seriously in some of this stuff when any idiot can check the record and see that the Repubicans weren't taking him seriously. There was no large scale decrease in Republican registrations prior to the primary elections or any large scale increase in Republican registrations following the primary elections.

You guys are sooooo gullible.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Operation Chaos was a gimmick that he had a lot of fun with. On one hand you Lefties sanctimoniously pronounce Rush as nothing more than an entertainer and windbag and nobody should pay any attention to him. On the other you take him very very seriously in some of this stuff when any idiot can check the record and see that the Repubicans weren't taking him seriously. There was no large scale decrease in Republican registrations prior to the primary elections or any large scale increase in Republican registrations following the primary elections.

You guys are sooooo gullible.

The Republicans didn't bother to re-register as Republican after the deed was done, Fox. Don't be idiotic.

And, you have created a straw-man. Nobody on our side has ever said that he's 'just an entertainer.' He's one of the leaders of your party. More influential than many of the morons you have elected, that's for sure.

Cycloptichorn

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@Diest TKO,

It was not the Right or Republicans who came up with the "Magic Negro" analogy but rather a leftwing pundit which was then picked up by other leftwing pundits. They were all Hillary supporters at the time, of course. Read the history of the Magic Negro--Wikipedia has a pretty good description--and hunt up the previous A2K in which all that was thoroughly discussed. Rush didn't do a lot of it but did play the musical parody as he plays most of Paul Shanklin production stuff. If you're going to use that harmless Paul Shanklin parody as 'hate speech' you're getting pretty desperate. Absolutely Rush is going to have fun with the stuff that the Left comes up with like that. Al Sharpton was being even more Al Sharpton than usual during all that which is no doubt why they used his voice.

Given Rush's overwhelming success more than 20 years now, of course the leftwing media hates him. But they didn't do their homework on that one. Again you guys are soooooo gullible. Smile

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@Cycloptichorn,

Really. Cyclop. Your arguments are even more vacuous than usual. Try harder dear.

I'm assuming you CAN'T come up with any illustrations--and yes they have to be in context--to back up your smear of Rush? That's okay. I didn't think you could.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Really. Cyclop. Your arguments are even more vacuous than usual. Try harder dear.

Why should I? You won't give up your worship no matter what I say.

You didn't respond adequately to either Diest' point or mine. The fact is that Limbaugh has shown racism in the past. Yes, playing a song called 'Barack the Magic Negro' is racist. I don't care who originated the phrase or who wrote the song; it's still racist. Saying that the only reason the NFL likes Don McNabb, is b/c he's black, is a racist thing to say. You defend that racism, because...? We can only guess. But I suspect it's because you feel a kinship to it.

I'm not going to waste my time trying to drive your Messiah out his place of prominence in your life, Fox. We both know that's a foolish game, because it's not a logical thing for ya; it's a religious thing, and you don't argue people out of that sort of stuff.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I see. The latest tactic is to say anything as ugly and hateful as you wish and then refuse to defend it on the grounds that the other side wouldn't accept your explanation. Okay. I understand.

But okay, that might be a good discussion separating the libs from the conservatives.

WHY is it racist given the long history/tradition of the "Magic Negro" in literature and film? How is it demeaning? Insulting? Do you know the tradition behind the Magic Negro? What it actually means? How identifying Obama with that is actually not a smear against Obama but an illustration of how he is being belittled by the Left?

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Okay, that might be a good discussion separating the libs from the conservatives.

WHY is it racist given the long history/tradition of the "Magic Negro" in literature and film? How is it demeaning? Insulting? Do you know the tradition behind the Magic Negro? What it actually means? How identifying Obama with that is actually not a smear against Obama but an illustration of how he is being belittled by the Left?

Haha, Fox.

Do you know who still uses the word 'negro' in conversation? Not modern African Americans, that's for sure. It's not considered to be a polite term by most of them any longer.

The only people who still use the word 'negro' are organizations which have it in the name, such as the UNCF, founded long ago, and Racists who substitute it for the word Nigger, b/c they are not socially allowed to say it any longer.

From wikiepdia:

Quote:

Negro is a term referring to people of Black African ancestry. Prior to the shift in the lexicon of American and worldwide classification of race and ethnicity in the late 1960s, the appellation was accepted as a normal neutral formal term both by those of Black African descent as well as non-African blacks. Now it is often considered an ethnic slur[1][2][3] although the term is considered archaic and is not common as a racist slur. The term is still used in some contexts for historical reasons such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[4][5].

When Rush plays the 'magic negro' song, he's doing so to be intentionally racist towards Obama. That's a fact. No amount of bullshit on your part will change that...

Like I said before, I don't know why I put myself through this, b/c you are not a rational actor. I keep posting as if there's a chance of having a productive debate with you, but that's stupid; because you've never admitted you were wrong on any issue, even after being repeatedly shown that you are, and I doubt that's going to change when your object of worship is involved Confused

Cycloptichorn

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Fox, I hear two things from you.

1) Operation Chaos did not have an effect (unsupported) and that you have no desire to condemn advocating to derail a primary election.

2) Magic Negro is a term that is used in a literary sense and is meant as an academic term so there is no foul in promoting satire that uses it simply as amusement without the academic elements.

Take a step back.
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@Foxfyre,

By the way, the reason Sharpton was used as the voice on that parody? It was based on statements like this:

Quote:

March 13, 2007

Activist Al Sharpton lit into presidential candidate Barack Obama on Monday, suggesting Obama shouldn't take blacks' support for granted.

"Why shouldn't the black community ask questions? Are we now being told, 'You all just shut up?'" Sharpton told a TV reporter from a New York CBS station.

"I'm not going to be cajoled or intimidated by any candidate," said Sharpton, a New Yorker who ran for president in 2004.

Sharpton went on to criticize Obama on other issues, including his relationship with Sen. Joe Lieberman, who's controversial within the Democratic Party.

"Senator Obama and I agree that the war is wrong, but then I want to know why he went to Connecticut and helped Lieberman, the biggest supporter of the war," Sharpton told TV.

Obama's camp wouldn't answer the charges. The TV report said that Sharpton was responding to a published story claiming he was undermining Obama.

The New York Post wrote that Sharpton, who has vied with Jesse Jackson to lead black Americans, is "terrified of being overshadowed by someone of Obama's class and character."

"It's driving Al crazy that Obama is as impressive and popular as he is, and he's not happy about it," a black Democratic activist was quoted as saying.

A source reportedly close to Sharpton also said the New Yorker had wanted to run for president again in 2008, and Obama's White House bid foiled him, according to the Post.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/294494,CST-NWS-obama13.article

Quote:

SHARPTON RAPS OBAMA
By CHUCK BENNETT and KAVITA MOKHA

Al Sharpton, with Nicole Paultre-Bell yesterday, was furious over Barack Obama's reaction to the Sean Bell verdict, sources said.April 29, 2008

Barack Obama made a call for nonviolence in the aftermath of the Sean Bell verdict - infuriating the Rev. Al Sharpton, who accused the presidential candidate of trying to "grandstand in front of white people," sources told The Post.

During what a source described as a "heated" phone call yesterday, Sharpton told Obama he was disappointed with the Illinois senator's words on Friday, when Obama said "resorting to violence to express displeasure" was "completely unacceptable and counterproductive."

"[Obama] issues this statement and not a single rock had been thrown," said a source. "How does the candidate of change ask people to accept a verdict that is unjust?"
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04292008/news/regionalnews/sharpton_raps_obama_108577.htm

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@Diest TKO,

You cannot show a single instance in with Operation Chaos had any effect on any vote in any place. It was something we all had a lot of fun with for a few weeks and no harm, no foul.

And yes "Magic Negro" is a literary term with a long history that is not derogatory but does illustrate the point Snood once made in a thread in which he complained that black people in the movies and literature can't just be every day, ordinary folks. They always have to be some sort of super human type. That is precisely the point of the whole "Magic Negro" metaphor. The satire was making fun of those who who intentionally or unintentionally were putting Barack Obama into that role.

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