AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

The video is from 2003.

Fox, you don't have the right to claim your so-called MACs are representative of modern conservatism, or in fact representative of anyone but you and ican. To claim authoritarian conservatism is dead and outmoded flies in the face of the last eight years, and the people who were in fact the conservastives who matter, i.e. the ones in power. I commend to your attention the operating principle of W. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, and Yoo, the so-called" unitary presidency", which held that a wartime president (and remember they held we are in a war without any determinable end) is responsible to no-one but himself--not the courts, not congress, not the people, the first long step on the road to totalitarianism, and conservatives were the people that took it.

Fox, you don't have the right to claim your so-called MACs are representative of modern conservatism, or in fact representative of anyone but you and ican. To claim authoritarian conservatism is dead and outmoded flies in the face of the last eight years, and the people who were in fact the conservatives who matter, i.e. the ones in power. I commend to your attention the operating principle of W. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, and Yoo, the so-called" unitary presidency", which held that a wartime president (and remember they held we are in a war without any determinable end) is responsible to no-one but himself--not the courts, not congress, not the people, the first long step on the road to totalitarianism, and conservatives were the people that took it.

Foxfyre wrote:

This 'original plan':

That's not a plan, that's a speech. I dare say you'd not mistake it for a plan when talking about his lofty speechifyin' skills. When is that from, btw?

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Yes, which goes back to the idea that the more people you can make dependent, the more you solidify your total power and re-election chances. Just under 50% of the people voting pay little or no federal taxes at all and don't care how much in taxes everybody else has to pay. A sizable chunk of people voting depend on the government via the taxpayer to provide everything they get. He did not get elected on the radical program he is now pushing however, but rather on describing himself as "Reaganesque" and campaigning mostly right of center.

Your paragraph contradicts itself. In the beginning you seem to be saying that he was elected by people on the federal dole. Then you say that he got elected by campaigning right of center, which presumably would not appeal to said "dependent class". Which is it?

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32% Favor Single-Payer Health Care, 57% Oppose
Monday, August 10, 2009

Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.

We can have dueling polls:

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"Do you favor or oppose, "Having a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance through an expanded, universal form of Medicare-for all?"
Favor 58%, Oppose 38%, NA/DK 3%"

http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/upload/7943.pdf

... but it's kind of irrelevant because, once again, a single payer system is not on the table, even though I personally would like it to be.

so as not to make poor foxie look completely bewildered, I am leaving her car mis-information be right now...

So stating his intent to get to a single payer system is not his plan? Is not his intent? What planet did you say you were from?

For him to specifically tell his union buddies that he intends to get to a single payer plan and then leave the door open in a thrown bone that it isn't his intention for the time being does not give me any assurance that his intent is not a single payer plan. What possibly persuades you differently?

He has NOT ruled it out as an option for the future.

Where did I say that he was elected by people on the federal dole. I said that the more dependent you can make people, the more you can assure their vote. That is something quite different than saying that he was elected by people on the federal dole. Dependency takes many different forms.

Sure. Lots of competing polls out there. But I would bet a very good steak dinner at our most expensive local steak house that Rasmussen is the one closest to what most people do believe and want on this issue after they have been better informed re what Obama and the Democrats in Congress want to 'do for them'.

how many folks think you are disingenuous in your arguments?

let's do it first, can we?

Rockhead wrote:

how many folks think you are disingenuous in your arguments?

let's do it first, can we?

Oh hell. We don't need a poll for that. Every single numbnut and extreme leftist on A2K will agree with you that I am disingenuous. Even a conservative here or there will probably agree. They think saying that makes them look really intelligent and astute even as they cannot articulate a single reasoned argument for how I am disingenuous. You see numbnuts and extreme Leftists don't know what they think that they haven't been told to think by somebody who uses their gullibility to the greatest possible advantage and a few conservatives lack the ability to understand their own point of view too. All they have to talk about are other people. That's the occupational hazard of being a numbnut or extreme leftist I guess.

You see numbnuts and extreme Leftists don't know what they think that they haven't been told to think by somebody who uses their gullibility to the greatest possible advantage

you call me liberal.

again with the labels.

you call me liberal.

again with the labels.

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You see numbnuts and extreme Leftists don't know what they think that they haven't been told to think by somebody who uses their gullibility to the greatest possible advantage

That's funny from you Fox as you posted the email that you were gullible enough to believe without checking any of the facts in it.

Are you sure you aren't a "numbnuts" yourself or an extreme leftist?