AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@mysteryman,

keep an eye on your appendix as well...

One Critical Appendectomy Later, Young Woman Has a $19,000 Debt

http://www.oralchelation.com/calcium/DegenerativeKneeJoint/p28.htm

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@Rockhead,

Sorry, mine was taken out by navy doctors in 1968.

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@Foxfyre,

Maybe you find it surprising, but most of us think that modern conservatism is reflected in the people you actually elect to be your leaders. It gives the lie when you cannot point out any national politicians who you think accurately represent your positions.

So, yes - to most Americans, Bush, Cheney, Boehner and Blunt are the fact of modern Conservatism. And why wouldn't people think that?

Cycloptichorn

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@mysteryman,

it's worth a read, just the same.

**** happens...

closing ones eyes to half the facts after making a decision and barreling forward is a very conservative way to go through life...

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@Rockhead,

Remember when we were teenagers when we all believed we were invincible. Some took chances and lost their lives. Some of us were lucky, and lived through that period.

Many are now adults, and they also believe they are still invincible. As they age, they'll become aware that health insurance is a necessity.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Sorry, mine was taken out by navy doctors in 1968.

How did you like that government-run health care?

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@FreeDuck,

I was 7 years old, and my dad was a marine.
I didnt know anything about "govt run healthcare" then.

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@Debra Law,

I sent you a PM with a question on it.
If you can, would you look at it and answer.
It has nothing to do with anything that has been talked about.
Thanx, your answer will tell me what to do.

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@FreeDuck,

FreeDuck wrote:

You seem to be ignoring the fact that insurance companies also have caps on reimbursements and negotiate rates that are often less than half of what is billed.

just saw a U.S. hospital bill today - $1,500,000 U.S.
the insurer (after an audit of the bill) paid - $600,000

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@ehBeth,

Why would you see someone elses bill?

Or was it a real bill?

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

Okie, I noticed on another thread that you didn't know what a MAC was. Well, MAC is an acronyn of Modern (meaning current definition) American Conservative which I had hoped to discuss on this thread. Our--'our' being those who agree with the definition and have helped develop it--defnition was adapted from Wiki's description of Classical Liberalism. But we have been using MAC because so few have a clue what classical liberalism is.

Foxfyre, my apologies, I did not intend to mislead. I was aware, or thought of what MAC stood for, but given the opportunity to answer a question about whether I was a MAC, I responded with a sarcastic comment about what is a MAC or something like that. I am aware of the discussion of MAC here, but my answer to whether I was a MAC was sort of a repudiation of classifying us as a group, after all our total philosophy is that of being an individual with our own individual views and beliefs. We are not groupees. We are individuals. It is the liberals that are groupees. So my answer was something to the effect that I was "okie" with my own ideas and beliefs.

I would say however that my beliefs are generally in agreement with how you describe a MAC.

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You may transfer this to your other thread if you wish.

I will do that. Your post generally agrees with my argument there, that conservatism or right wing idealogy in Germany during the 20's or 30's cannot be compared at all with now. People like Walter simply cannot escape his preconceived idea that it can, and he clings to the idea that Hitler was a rightee. I think one big reason is it is his ox being gored when Hitler is said to be a leftist according to our current understanding of it. Of course all the other leftists and liberals agree with him, and even George OB and High Seas have given me static over it.

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@FreeDuck,

Obama said to Congress that a single-payer medical insurance plan is not now part of his plan. Not now? But that is not the same thing as: Not ever!

The fact is a single payer system is in the current Baucus House Bill. Obama is a fool and/or a fraud!

Aha! You think it best to replace private medical insurance profits with government medical insurance frauds and/or stupidities. Obama's Government frauds and/or stupidities have already been shown to far exceed private profits by trillions of dollars.

Obama's Government frauds and/or stupidities cause federal budget deficits and/or tax increases and/or inflation of everything.

Private medical insurance profits cause inflation only of private medical insurance prices. But that inflation continues only until there is an increase in the number of nationwide, competing private medical insurers causing a deflation of such prices.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

People like Walter simply cannot escape his preconceived idea that it can, and he clings to the idea that Hitler was a rightee. I think one big reason is it is his ox being gored when Hitler is said to be a leftist according to our current understanding of it. Of course all the other leftists and liberals agree with him, and even George OB and High Seas have given me static over it.

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What, may I kindly ask, is my "ox"? Are you referring here to the original sources, which I mentioned, as "my ox"?

And what has this to do with "leftists" or "liberals"? And with agreeing with me - I didn't invent anything but just pointed to facts, facts that still can be seen and read.

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@Walter Hinteler,

The ox is your idealogy, Walter.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Insurance coverage is not the samething as percentage of medical charges paid by that coverage. Medicare and Medicaid are paying a decreasing percentage of individual medical charges.

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@okie,

So, in your opinion, the German script on the papers changes to something different due to my "idealogy"?

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Insurance coverage is not the samething as percentage of medical charges paid by that coverage. Medicare and Medicaid are paying a decreasing percentage of individual medical charges.

I don't believe you have a single piece of evidence to support this contention.

Cycloptichorn

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre, your response to okie defining and explaining the meaning of MAC is outstanding. Please save it in your computer file for future use. I assume you approve of me also doing exactly that.

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@ican711nm,

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The fact is a single payer system is in the current Baucus House Bill. Obama is a fool and/or a fraud!

Max Baucus is the chairman of the Senate finance committee, and nothing in his bill resembles single-payer health care, in the slightest. You don't know what the **** you are talking about, you are simply making things up at this point.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Maybe you find it surprising, but most of us think that modern conservatism is reflected in the people you actually elect to be your leaders. It gives the lie when you cannot point out any national politicians who you think accurately represent your positions.

So, yes - to most Americans, Bush, Cheney, Boehner and Blunt are the fact of modern Conservatism. And why wouldn't people think that?

Cycloptichorn

Which of our leaders do or do not represent the definition or even how they describe themselves is an entirely different subject.

Probably the numbnuts and the thoroughly ideologically brainwashed are incapable of getting their mind around such concepts, but those who can still think criticially can look at a definition for what it is and either agree with it or disagree with it.

Can you do that? Can you focus on the definition itself and discern whether the definition is or is not accurate on its own merits and apart from anything else?

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