AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Walter, you need to understand that in American culture, the words - socialist and communist, are dirty words, they are unamerican. That does not mean however that there aren't alot of people pushing these agendas, but they do it without being totally up front, they use other terms, and they are not at all honest about the end game that they believe in.

However, it's really very hard to find just a few "socialist-like"
agendas in the USA. Even our conservatives, the Christian-
Democratic Union, are more "progressive" in most of their ideas than the Democrats.

...I wish to object to use of the word "progressive"
in that manner; it assumes (presumptuously, in my opinion)
that * progress * is in some particular direction (like toward the left)
and that we shoud accept that without question or challenge.
It presumes that the left is where we ARE GOING
and where we shoud be going. From that, I dissent.


In my opinion,
leftists have no right to impose a suppostion upon us
that movement toward the left is GOOD,
and that is what "PROGRESS" implies.

Article 20
[Constitutional principles " Right of resistance]
(1) The Federal Republic of Germany is a democratic and social federal
state.
(2) All state authority is derived from the people. It shall be exercised by
the people through elections and other votes and through specific legislative,
executive and judicial bodies.
(3) The legislature shall be bound by the constitutional order, the executive
and the judiciary by law and justice.
(4) All Germans shall have the right to resist any person seeking to abolish
this constitutional order, if no other remedy is available.) Details shall be regulated by federal laws.


Article 21
[Political parties]
(1) Political parties shall participate in the formation of the political will
of the people. They may be freely established. Their internal organisation
must conform to democratic principles. They must publicly account for
their assets and for the sources and use of their funds.
(2) Parties that, by reason of their aims or the behaviour of their adherents,
seek to undermine or abolish the free democratic basic order or to
endanger the existence of the Federal Republic of Germany shall be unconstitutional.
The Federal Constitutional Court shall rule on the question
of unconstitutionality.
(3) Details shall be regulated by federal laws.

So Walter, lets cut to the chase, why do you think the Communist Party USA supports Obama?

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So Walter, lets cut to the chase, why do you think the Communist Party USA supports Obama?

Which chase do you want to cut to, okie?

Why do you think the Aryan Nations organization supports Sarah Palin?

http://www.aryannationsrevival.org/

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So Walter, lets cut to the chase, why do you think the Communist Party USA supports Obama?

Which chase do you want to cut to, okie?

Why do you think the Aryan Nations organization supports Sarah Palin?

http://www.aryannationsrevival.org/

Walter, you need to understand that in American culture, the words - socialist and communist, are dirty words, they are unamerican.

So Walter, lets cut to the chase, why do you think the Communist Party USA supports Obama?

To embrace Obama is in itself a militant protest against the Bush neo-conservative policies

If McCain had the same relationship to Timothy McVeigh as Obama has to another bomber, Ayers, we would not be hearing the end of it. I denounce any terrorist or terrorist sympathizer, but somehow libs can's seem to bring themselves to do the same.

the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand.

We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.

okie wrote:

If McCain had the same relationship to Timothy McVeigh as Obama has to another bomber, Ayers, we would not be hearing the end of it. I denounce any terrorist or terrorist sympathizer, but somehow libs can's seem to bring themselves to do the same.

Actually okie, you don't denounce any and all terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. You just redefine those you dislike to meet that standard while ignoring others that would meet it if you applied it equally.

Eric Rudolph's statement on why he did the Atlanta bombing

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the purpose of the attack on July 27 was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand.

From the GOP platform

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We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life.

It is pretty obvious that the GOP is sympathetic to the cause of a terrorist. Do you denounce them? Or are you just going to redefine terrorist sympathizer to one you want to live with in this instance?

Okie states categorically:

I denounce any terrorist or terrorist sympathizer,

Backyard terrorism
The US has been training terrorists at a camp in Georgia for years - and it's still at it

George Monbiot The Guardian,
Tuesday October 30 2001


"If any government sponsors the outlaws and killers of innocents," George Bush announced on the day he began bombing Afghanistan, "they have become outlaws and murderers themselves. And they will take that lonely path at their own peril." I'm glad he said "any government", as there's one which, though it has yet to be identified as a sponsor of terrorism, requires his urgent attention.

For the past 55 years it has been running a terrorist training camp, whose victims massively outnumber the people killed by the attack on New York, the embassy bombings and the other atrocities laid, rightly or wrongly, at al-Qaida's door. The camp is called the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, or Whisc. It is based in Fort Benning, Georgia, and it is funded by Mr Bush's government.

Until January this year, Whisc was called the "School of the Americas", or SOA. Since 1946, SOA has trained more than 60,000 Latin American soldiers and policemen. Among its graduates are many of the continent's most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. As hundreds of pages of documentation compiled by the pressure group SOA Watch show, Latin America has been ripped apart by its alumni.

In June this year, Colonel Byron Lima Estrada, once a student at the school, was convicted in Guatemala City of murdering Bishop Juan Gerardi in 1998. Gerardi was killed because he had helped to write a report on the atrocities committed by Guatemala's D-2, the military intelligence agency run by Lima Estrada with the help of two other SOA graduates. D-2 coordinated the "anti-insurgency" campaign which obliterated 448 Mayan Indian villages, and murdered tens of thousands of their people. Forty per cent of the cabinet ministers who served the genocidal regimes of Lucas Garcia, Rios Montt and Mejia Victores studied at the School of the Americas.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/30/afghanistan.terrorism19