AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Give one good reason why Obama should not immediately resign his membership in TUCC and sever all connections with Wright. Just one.

HANNITY: Sen. Clinton claims that Barack Obama has not had the scrutiny that other candidates have had in this campaign.

There is a big emerging controversy about his pastor of 20 years, a man who went on a trip with Louis Farrakhan to Tripoli, a guy that has - his church has given a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. We now have some of his sermons. He used "g-d America," "the U.S. of KKK of A." "The chickens have come home to roost," he said the Sunday after the attack on this country on 9/11.

He has called him �- Barack has said of his pastor, his trusted adviser, he's proud of his pastor. He married him and his wife. He's baptized his kids.

Does that sound like a problem for you?

MCCAIN: I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Sen. Obama would support any of those, as well.

HANNITY: He's been �- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor �- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that �- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views. . .But I know that, for example, I've had endorsements of some people that I didn't share their views...but they endorsed mine. And so I think we've got to be very careful about that part.

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HANNITY: Sen. Clinton claims that Barack Obama has not had the scrutiny that other candidates have had in this campaign.

There is a big emerging controversy about his pastor of 20 years, a man who went on a trip with Louis Farrakhan to Tripoli, a guy that has - his church has given a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. We now have some of his sermons. He used "g-d America," "the U.S. of KKK of A." "The chickens have come home to roost," he said the Sunday after the attack on this country on 9/11.

He has called him �- Barack has said of his pastor, his trusted adviser, he's proud of his pastor. He married him and his wife. He's baptized his kids.

Does that sound like a problem for you?

MCCAIN: I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Sen. Obama would support any of those, as well.

HANNITY: He's been �- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor �- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that �- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views. . .But I know that, for example, I've had endorsements of some people that I didn't share their views...but they endorsed mine. And so I think we've got to be very careful about that part.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337834,00.html

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HANNITY: Sen. Clinton claims that Barack Obama has not had the scrutiny that other candidates have had in this campaign.

There is a big emerging controversy about his pastor of 20 years, a man who went on a trip with Louis Farrakhan to Tripoli, a guy that has - his church has given a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. We now have some of his sermons. He used "g-d America," "the U.S. of KKK of A." "The chickens have come home to roost," he said the Sunday after the attack on this country on 9/11.

He has called him �- Barack has said of his pastor, his trusted adviser, he's proud of his pastor. He married him and his wife. He's baptized his kids.

Does that sound like a problem for you?

MCCAIN: I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Sen. Obama would support any of those, as well.

HANNITY: He's been �- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor �- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that �- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views. . .But I know that, for example, I've had endorsements of some people that I didn't share their views...but they endorsed mine. And so I think we've got to be very careful about that part.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337834,00.html

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HANNITY: Sen. Clinton claims that Barack Obama has not had the scrutiny that other candidates have had in this campaign.

There is a big emerging controversy about his pastor of 20 years, a man who went on a trip with Louis Farrakhan to Tripoli, a guy that has - his church has given a lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan. We now have some of his sermons. He used "g-d America," "the U.S. of KKK of A." "The chickens have come home to roost," he said the Sunday after the attack on this country on 9/11.

He has called him �- Barack has said of his pastor, his trusted adviser, he's proud of his pastor. He married him and his wife. He's baptized his kids.

Does that sound like a problem for you?

MCCAIN: I think that when people support you, it doesn't mean that you support everything they say. Obviously, those words and those statements are statements that none of us would associate ourselves with, and I don't believe that Sen. Obama would support any of those, as well.

HANNITY: He's been �- but he's been going to the church for 20 years. His pastor �- the church gave a lifetime achievement award to one of the biggest racists and anti-Semites in the country, Louis Farrakhan. Would you go to a church that �- where your pastor supported Louis Farrakhan?

MCCAIN: Obviously, that would not be my choice. But I do know Sen. Obama. He does not share those views. . .But I know that, for example, I've had endorsements of some people that I didn't share their views...but they endorsed mine. And so I think we've got to be very careful about that part.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337834,00.html

egads blatham, sounds like my kinda town. 40-50 miles closer to Portland, and I would love it. Can you do year round golf? One of my must requirements!

By the way, here's a point for you foxy . ~ now, don't forget, two points make a line :wink: and then we could get high!

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., condemned racially charged sermons by his former pastor Friday and urged Americans not to reject his presidential campaign because of "guilt by association."

Obama's campaign announced that the minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., had left its spiritual advisory committee after videotapes of his sermons again ignited fierce debate in news accounts and political blogs.

Obama did not clarify whether Wright volunteered to leave his African American Religious Leadership Committee, a loose group of supporters associated with the campaign, or whether the campaign asked him to leave.

Foxfyre, do you think Obama's campaign will impact American Conservatism?

Given Obama's right of centre positions on a number of issues, where will American conservatives and Republicans have to stake their positions to be successful?

Foxfyre, do you think Obama's campaign will impact American Conservatism?

Given Obama's right of centre positions on a number of issues, where will American conservatives and Republicans have to stake their positions to be successful?

BillW wrote:

egads blatham, sounds like my kinda town. 40-50 miles closer to Portland, and I would love it. Can you do year round golf? One of my must requirements!

By the way, here's a point for you foxy . ~ now, don't forget, two points make a line :wink: and then we could get high!

Year-round golf is iffy. The winter months are often in the higher 30s which ain't comfortable and it snows (though didn't this year) and it does rain a lot and, of course, can see the thermometer drop well below freezing.

Foxfyre, do you think Obama's campaign will impact American Conservatism?

Given Obama's right of centre positions on a number of issues, where will American conservatives and Republicans have to stake their positions to be successful?

Barak, Hillary and John are all Centrist. On one hand this makes this election for me a total success from the get go.

Retirement can apparently be liberating
By: Steve Benen @ 5:30 AM - PDT

As a rule, Rep. Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, has generally been considered a "team player" in his party. He hasn't always been quite as conservative as some of his rank-and-file colleagues, but on the big issues, Davis has always stood toe to toe with his Republican caucus. It's why he was rewarded a few cycles ago with the chairmanship of the NRCC.

Davis was preparing a Senate run, right up until he realized he'd lose to former Gov. Mark Warner (D), and he's now preparing to leave elected office altogether. Apparently, it's had a liberating effect.

A few days ago, Davis acknowledged, "The House Republican brand is so bad right now that if it were a dog food, they'd take it off the shelf."

Then he went a little further in describing his party's troubles.

"It's no mystery," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). "You have a very unhappy electorate, which is no surprise, with oil at $108 a barrel, stocks down a few thousand points, a war in Iraq with no end in sight and a president who is still very, very unpopular. He's just killed the Republican brand."

I mention this, not only because it's an interesting quote, but because I wonder how many Republicans who aren't retiring from Congress feel the exact same way.

My hunch is, quite a few.

http://crooksandliars.com/

The Street on Welfare

By E. J. Dionne Jr.
Tuesday, March 18, 2008; Page A19

Never do I want to hear again from my conservative friends about how brilliant capitalists are, how much they deserve their seven-figure salaries and how government should keep its hands off the private economy.

The Wall Street titans have turned into a bunch of welfare clients. They are desperate to be bailed out by government from their own incompetence, and from the deregulatory regime for which they lobbied so hard. They have lost "confidence" in each other, you see, because none of these oh-so-wise captains of the universe have any idea what kinds of devalued securities sit in one another's portfolios.