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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 05:27 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Your link is for the current war.
I specifically said DESERT STORM.

And could you provide any statements by 'liberals' from the time of DESERT STORM? I don't recall that being a large argument against it.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 05:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I can't find any stories about the left arguing we would need "thousands of body bags." I have found stories about the Pentagon ordering 20,000 body bags for the conflict.

Was the Pentagon "fear mongering" by ordering 20,000 body bags? It seems MM thinks they were.
Modesto Body bag firms Busy.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-1043449.html

It seems the Pentagon may have ordered 50,000 bags for Desert Shield/Storm.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Aug, 2009 07:03 pm
ummm... i don't really want to go there with the body bags.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 07:16 am
For those who think the Tea Parties and protests at town hall meetings are hurting the GOP, polling definitely tells a different story. The GOP have been mindless wimps for like forever. Now that they are developing a backbone, they are gaining traction in both attention received and approval of the message they are finally articulating.

For most of last year, and before President Obama took office, according to regular Rasmussen polls, with few and short lived exceptions, the voters consistently trusted Democrats more than Republicans on 10 out of 10 key issues. But as bad as it was under the Bush administration, it appears the voters now see extreme radical liberalism as even worse.

Quote:
Trust on Issues
Voters Give GOP First-Time Lead on Health Care
Thursday, August 13, 2009

For the first time in over two years of polling, voters trust Republicans slightly more than Democrats on the handling of the issue of health care. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that voters favor the GOP on the issue 44% to 41%.

Democrats held a four-point lead on the issue last month and a 10-point lead in June. For most of the past two years, more than 50% of voters said they trusted Democrats on health care. The latest results mark the lowest level of support measured for the party on the now-contentious issue.

Public support for the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and congressional Democrats has fallen to a new low with just 42% of U.S. voters now in favor of it. That’s down five points from two weeks ago and down eight points from six weeks ago.

Overall, Republicans lead Democrats in terms of voter trust on eight out of 10 key issues for the second consecutive month, and the two are tied on one issue.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/trust_on_issues
Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 08:10 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

For those who think the Tea Parties and protests at town hall meetings are hurting the GOP, polling definitely tells a different story.


America loves it when the GOP gathers together bunches of ignorant and wild-eyed people with hate festering out of their pores to throw group temper tantrums. It worked very well for McCain. Why change things?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 10:03 am
@Debra Law,
As a matter of fact, it's the best way to destroy their own party, and we should all "encourage" them to continue on that path.

"Death panel" for chrissakes!~ Who needs crazies like that?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 12:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"Death panel" for chrissakes!~ Who needs crazies like that?


what i find most troubling is the casual willingness of those people to believe i want to gas my granny. why the hell would i want to gas my ol' granny?

whaaa? because i don't vote republican? because i'm not a christian? because i live in california ? because i can thoroughly enjoy listening to mastodon, dwight yoakum and beethoven in the same day?





cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 02:38 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
They love their own fear-mongering rhetoric.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 03:12 pm
@ican711nm,
The Democrats will lose their congressional majorities if two things happen:
(1) Obama continues his current way of trying to sell his health care plan to the American people without specifying what it is.
(2) The Republicans repeatedly declare their intention to impeach Obama if they win congressional majorities in November 2010.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 03:25 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

The Democrats will lose their congressional majorities if two things happen:
(1) Obama continues his current way of trying to sell his health care plan to the American people without specifying what it is.


Obama doesn't have a healthcare plan. He has not proposed any legislation. He is not a legislator. It's the job of our elected representatives to propose legislation, to assign the proposed legislation to be reviewed in committees, to conduct hearings, and to vote on legislation that the committees order reported to the full body. Right now, HR 3200 is still at the committee stage. The actual specifics of this bill are available online for anyone who wants to know the specifics. Here's a link to the bill's summary:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.03200:

Here's a link to the actual text of the bill:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3200:


Quote:
(2) The Republicans repeatedly declare their intention to impeach Obama if they win congressional majorities in November 2010.


Not one single Republican has declared any such intention.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 03:35 pm
@Debra Law,
When people like ican doesn't even understand how our government works, what makes them think their knowledge about anything in this country has any credibility?

They also thought Bush was one of the greatest presidents!
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 03:59 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

"Death panel" for chrissakes!~ Who needs crazies like that?


what i find most troubling is the casual willingness of those people to believe i want to gas my granny. why the hell would i want to gas my ol' granny?

whaaa? because i don't vote republican? because i'm not a christian? because i live in california ? because i can thoroughly enjoy listening to mastodon, dwight yoakum and beethoven in the same day?



No one is saying you want to "gas your granny." They're saying you want to chuck her full of pain pills that will make her "loop out" until she unwittingly dies. (And this really pisses Limbaugh off--apparently he wanted those pills for himself.) I hate it when people don't get their facts right. Evil or Very Mad

DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 04:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
i guess..

but dayum... that's some heavy **** to lay on a brother; as we say in the vernacular.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 04:56 pm
@Debra Law,
Isn't that what Michael Jackson's doctor did to him? He wasn't even a granny!
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 07:17 pm
@Debra Law,
Obama has a health care plan, and is very busy advocating it so that Congress will pass it and he will sign it.

The Democrats will lose their congressional majorities if two things happen:
(1) Obama continues his current way of trying to sell his health care plan to the American people without specifying what it is.
(2) The Republicans repeatedly declare their intention to impeach Obama if they win congressional majorities in November 2010.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 07:53 pm
@ican711nm,
sorry, what was that, dude?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 08:00 pm
@ican711nm,
Yup, that's the republican way; they impeached Bill Clinton too for a personal indiscretion. What are the republicans going to impeach Obama for? Pushing for universal health care that'll help all Americans?
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 08:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
ALL Americans?

Will it really?
Will it help American expats?
And if it will, please detail for us HOW it will help them?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 06:58 am
We now have a dozen (or slightly more) advertisers who have pulled their ads from Glenn Beck's FOX show.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 15 Aug, 2009 10:51 am
@blatham,
I wonder how much longer he'll last?
 

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