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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:27 pm
Apparently, Rick (man on dog) Santorum is considering a 2012 Presidential run. Please, dear Lord, let it be so.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:29 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

See, right here in Fox's link:

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1996. Migrations and Cultures: A World View, ISBN 0-465-04589-8
1996. The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation As a Basis for Social Policy. Basic Books, ISBN 0-465-08995-X
1995. Race and Culture: A World View. Description & chapter previews. ISBN 0-465-06796-4
1989. Why I am a racist and only support the Republicans. ISBN 0-754-03448-2
1987. A Conflict of Visions: Ideological Origins of Political Struggles. William Morrow, ISBN 0-688-06912-6
1987. Compassion Versus Guilt and Other Essays. William Morrow, ISBN 0688-07114-7


Calling Sowell a pseudo-intellectual because you disagree with his politics is weak. But I guess that's all you guys can really do.


Laughing
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:31 pm
@Foxfyre,
foxfyre wrote:
While I think the agenda has little or nothing to do with race, it would have been more accurate, or at least more clear, to say that the race card is being actively played to further the broader and more ambitious goal.


Again, to further clarify, who is playing the race card here?

The Democrats? So far, I haven't heard anything in the healthcare debate about race from the Democrats in Congress or the White House.

Glenn Beck? Well yeah, that's precisely what wandeljw was referring to.

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Who plays the race card more than the Democrats? And how is that any different from Marx using the plight of the proletariat to further his own broader agenda?


What was Marx's broader agenda if not bettering the very plight of the proletariat? Power and glory? Given his biography, this is a pretty ridiculous claim.
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:45 pm
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Early this spring, I spent two very long days traveling around Kentucky with Orly Taitz, one of the leading "birthers" in a nation full of them. So I can tell you with confidence " and show you later in this week's column and next " that this is much, much crazier than most people imagine " and alarmingly in sync with the "tea parties" and wild accusations of socialism that seem to define the current "conservative" opposition.

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/richardson-report/obama-birthers-movement-part-one-080409
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:48 pm
@InfraBlue,
Marx's broader agenda was to tear down and destroy the establishment--government, political structures, history, religion, social values, education--and elevate the proletariat to power. I think even a cursory reading of Marx's biography and writings would make that obvious. And a careful reading shows a man who at least wanted to be acknowledged and remembered for his vision. Whether he had illusions of glory, we cannot know. Neither he, nor any other aspiring dictator/leader is likely to write such into their theories or autobiography. But he did get the recognition he wanted. I read that eleven people attended his funeral. But his vision and theories live on through many.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 02:52 pm
@blatham,
You must have skipped over the extensive postings where thinking conservatives, which is most, do not support the birthers in their quest. I wonder if you were as concerned about all the 9/11 theorists about George Bush blowing up the World Trade Center or dynamiting the levess at New Orleans during Katrina? Do those folks represent your views? Do you use them to paint the bulk of the Democratic Party?

Which are crazier do you think? Which hurt the Democrats or Republicans?
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 03:16 pm
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WASHINGTON " Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.
The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.
Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.
"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/ap_on_re_us/us_militia_movement;_ylt=AqoBS09lSSsYkzbuaTsaWODM9bQF;_ylu=X3oDMTJtczR1ZnN1BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwODEyL3VzX21pbGl0aWFfbW92ZW1lbnQEY3BvcwM2BHBvcwM2BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzbGsDb2ZmaWNpYWxzc2Vl
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 03:21 pm
@Foxfyre,
As for the twin towers, Bush had warnings about it, but did nothing. And we all know about that speech Bush made from Jackson Square in New Orleans after Katrina when he said "we're going to see the biggest reconstruction project our country has ever seen." Nothing happened.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 03:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Here's an interesting perspective about what happened on 9-11, our government and media. Read the paragraph on Bill Maher; it speaks loud and clear about challenging the Bush administration.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090309170952776
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And our CIA: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:37 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Meaning you were blowing smoke per usual and don't really have a clue what you're talking about.


What part of what I wrote lead you to that conclusion?

Once again, it appears that you wanted to respond, but had no real response. Sophomoric.

Cycloptichorn
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:39 pm
@Foxfyre,
foxfyre wrote:
Marx's broader agenda was to tear down and destroy the establishment--government, political structures, history, religion, social values, education--and elevate the proletariat to power.


So then, Obama and the Democrats want to tear down and destroy the establishment--government, political structures, history, religion, social values, education, and elevate the proletariat to power, huh?

Which are crazier, the birthers', the 9/11 conspiracy theorists' or these ideas?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:44 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

foxfyre wrote:
Marx's broader agenda was to tear down and destroy the establishment--government, political structures, history, religion, social values, education--and elevate the proletariat to power.


So then, Obama and the Democrats want to tear down and destroy the establishment--government, political structures, history, religion, social values, education, and elevate the proletariat to power, huh?

Which are crazier, the birthers', the 9/11 conspiracy theorists' or these ideas?


I don't see where I said that. I see where I was discussing Marx. YOU are the one who connected that to Obama and Democrats. So which of us is crazy?
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:48 pm
Meanwhile, I see where the AARP has advised the President that they have not....repeat HAVE NOT....endorsed his healthcare reform package and are asking him to stop saying that they do. Look for the AMA to follow suit shortly.

And here is one of my favorite liberals, Camille Paglia, chiming in this week:

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Obama's healthcare horror
Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!

By Camille Paglia
Aug. 12, 2009

Buyer's remorse? Not me. At the North American summit in Guadalajara this week, President Obama resumed the role he is best at -- representing the U.S. with dignity and authority abroad. This is why I, for one, voted for Obama and continue to support him. The damage done to U.S. prestige by the feckless, buffoonish George W. Bush will take years to repair. Obama has barely begun the crucial mission that he was elected to do.

Having said that, I must confess my dismay bordering on horror at the amateurism of the White House apparatus for domestic policy. When will heads start to roll? I was glad to see the White House counsel booted, as well as Michelle Obama's chief of staff, and hope it's a harbinger of things to come. Except for that wily fox, David Axelrod, who could charm gold threads out of moonbeams, Obama seems to be surrounded by juvenile tinhorns, bumbling mediocrities and crass bully boys.

Case in point: the administration's grotesque mishandling of healthcare reform, one of the most vital issues facing the nation. Ever since Hillary Clinton's megalomaniacal annihilation of our last best chance at reform in 1993 (all of which was suppressed by the mainstream media when she was running for president), Democrats have been longing for that happy day when this issue would once again be front and center.

But who would have thought that the sober, deliberative Barack Obama would have nothing to propose but vague and slippery promises -- or that he would so easily cede the leadership clout of the executive branch to a chaotic, rapacious, solipsistic Congress? House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom I used to admire for her smooth aplomb under pressure, has clearly gone off the deep end with her bizarre rants about legitimate town-hall protests by American citizens. She is doing grievous damage to the party and should immediately step down.

There is plenty of blame to go around. Obama's aggressive endorsement of a healthcare plan that does not even exist yet, except in five competing, fluctuating drafts, makes Washington seem like Cloud Cuckoo Land. The president is promoting the most colossal, brazen bait-and-switch operation since the Bush administration snookered the country into invading Iraq with apocalyptic visions of mushroom clouds over American cities.

You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you're happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really? And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.

I just don't get it. Why the insane rush to pass a bill, any bill, in three weeks? And why such an abject failure by the Obama administration to present the issues to the public in a rational, detailed, informational way? The U.S. is gigantic; many of our states are bigger than whole European nations. The bureaucracy required to institute and manage a nationalized health system here would be Byzantine beyond belief and would vampirically absorb whatever savings Obama thinks could be made. And the transition period would be a nightmare of red tape and mammoth screw-ups, which we can ill afford with a faltering economy.

MORE HERE:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/


blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:53 pm
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Today, at a town-hall meeting hosted by Sen. Ben Cardin (D-MD), a man held up a small, handwritten sign reading "Death to Obama," The Hill's J. Taylor Rushing reports.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/recess_watch_a_death_to_obama_sign_at_cardins_town-hall.php
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 04:54 pm
@Foxfyre,
Oh, I thought you had said that Obama and the Democrats are trying to implement a Marxist agenda--what with its broader agenda which you delineated-- onto the USA.

So then to clarify, what is Obama's and the Democrats' broader agenda?
blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 05:01 pm
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City councilman's e-mail included joke about killing Obama

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/73590.html

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 05:03 pm
On the plus side of this ugly equation, Beck has just lost his fifth advertiser, Sargento.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 05:05 pm
@Foxfyre,
Shorter Camille Paglia -

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contrarian contrarian blah blah more contrarian more blah I swear I am a liberal (contrarian) absolute value of negative attention is still attention blah contrarian Charles Pierce will have another field day Charles Pierce who? contrarian blah. The End.


You like her b/c she isn't a really a Liberal, but an attention whore.

Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 12 Aug, 2009 05:19 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Oh, I thought you had said that Obama and the Democrats are trying to implement a Marxist agenda--what with its broader agenda which you delineated-- onto the USA.

So then to clarify, what is Obama's and the Democrats' broader agenda?


It's difficult to pin it all down specificially right now but for starters:
1) No reluctance to nationalize banks at will
2) No reluctance to dictate to corporate executives the maximum they are allowed to make
3) No reluctance to take over huge corporations such as auto companies and make them the property of the US government.
4) No reluctance to impose the largest tax in the history of the world through Cap & Trade and thus favor the favored while taking away property, freedoms, choices, and opportunities from everybody else.
5) No reluctance to dismantle the finest health care system in the world and rebuild it in the image of some vague socialist ideal.
6) No reluctance to create debt sufficient to enslave generations of citizens.
7) No reluctance to encourage citizens to spy and 'rat' on citizens.
8) No reluctance to attempt to squelch dissent and objections and criticism as much as they legally can do at this time.
9) Erosion of national pride and appreciation for nationalistic ideals and ingratiating themselves with foreign governments, some of which have no love for America or Americans.
10) Disrespect for basic American shared values and religious traditions.
11) Increase in the size, scope, and power of the central government and erosion of the power of the grass roots--all for the good of the people of course
12) Special favors and exemptions for favored groups to ensure that the power base is solid while giving mostly lip service to those that were expecting promises and guarantees to be delivered.
13) Suggestion of building a citizen's army to be at the leader's disposal.
14) Suggestion that citizens should be forced to serve, to sacrifice, to diminish themselves for the common good.
15) Soliciting the people's adoration and praise by making vague promises and painting visions of a great Utopia knowing they will be powerless to object or will be too stupid to know that it is all illusion.

That's enough to provide the general idea.

You take away the people's power, property, pride, religion, options, opportunities, ability for self determination, and other individual freedoms, and voila, you have the perfect society prepared to instill a Marxian Utopia. Unfortunately, those who bring the people to that stage of preparation have themselves become used to the power and find themselves unwilling to relinquish it. Therefore, Utopia, so tantalizing in theory, is never a reality.

The Founders had a better idea. Start out by giving the people the power to begin with and by instilling in them a love of freedom so strong they would never give it up.


 

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