AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@ican711nm,

i'm so sorry that living in the best country on the planet comes with the hateful, socialist, liberal, unamerican, burden of paying a little bit to keep the lights on, ican.

you could always move to fiji, ya know.

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I'm pleased that living in the best country on the planet sttill comes with the just, conservative burden of demanding that the USA's constitutional rule of law be conserved.

You who do not like that burden could always move to Fiji, ya know. But you better checkout Fiji first. It may also come with the just, conservative burden of demanding that the Fiji constitutional rule of law be conserved.

...

Maybe you who do not like that burden, should move to Venezuela or Cuba, ya know.

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@ican711nm,

again with the constitution waving hysteria?

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Amendment 16 - Status of Income Tax Clarified. Ratified 2/3/1913.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

stop complaining and just pay your damn taxes, already.

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@ican711nm,

My income tax rate on taxable income is 10% on the first $16,700 of taxable income, and 15% on any remainder up to $137,050. I pay 25% of those taxes every quarter.

I don't want obamacrats to make those more taxes. But they will have to make those more taxes if they try to reduce the budget deficits by increasing taxes instead of reducing federal expenditures. If obamacrats don't reduce those budget deficits with increased taxes or reduced expenditures, they will tax me by inflation reducing the value of my income, and, more importantly, reducing what I can buy with my income. But, so what?

That isn't my main issue. My main issue is that obamacrats behaving the way they are behaving, can ruin the lives of my children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. What's more they can ruin the lives of damn near everyone's children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.

To hell with that and you, obamacrats! We must stop you! The sooner the better!

Hopefully, we can lawfully stop you . Stopping you unlawfully can have its own terrible consequences.

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marginal rates even for those with relatively modest incomes are well above what most Americans think should be the maximum.

Although the median family, which had an income of $54,061 in 2004, would probably be in the 15 percent federal income tax bracket, all of its earned income would also be subject to the Social Security payroll tax, which is 15.3 percent on all wages up to $94,200. Although, only half this tax is withheld from workers' paychecks, economists believe that they in effect pay the employer's share also, in the form of lower wages.

A single person earning between $74,200 and $94,200 is going to pay the 28 percent federal income tax on that income plus another 15.3 percent for Social Security as well, making his marginal rate more than 43 percent.

But then there are state income taxes in the vast majority of states. According to the Federation of Tax Administrators, in many of them the income at which the top rate kicks in is quite low. In California, the top rate of 9.3 percent starts at an income of just $41,447. So on the next $53,723 of his income, a single person in that state will be paying more than 50 percent in taxes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/are_americans_overtaxed.html

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@ican711nm,

L'EST YOU FORGET

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
ARTICLE I. Section 8. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

AND THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT CHANGE THE MEANING OF THE PRECEDING FROM WHAT IT ORIGINALLY MEANT

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html
Amendment XVI (1913)
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census of enumeration.

A different tax rate for different dollars of income is not a uniform impost rate (i.e., tax rate). The same tax rate for each and every income dollar throughout the United States is a uniform tax rate.

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@marsz,

marsz, You really don't understand the American tax system do you. Tax rates do not mean anything; it's what is actually paid in taxes is what counts. The US taxpayers including corporations pay the lowest taxes in all the developed countries.

What does this tell you? The corporate tax rate in the US is 39.3% (it may be one of the highest rates), but 60% of corporations do not pay any taxes.

Comprende?

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check link-
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/are_americans_overtaxed.html

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@ican711nm,

If has been alleged, 60% of corporations do not pay any taxes, I think it would be obvious why. They are not making any profit! Why aren't they making any profit? Could it be that the obamacrats--pre and post the Obama presidency--have created conditions that obstruct many corporations from making any profits?

Hell yes!

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

. My main issue is that obamacrats behaving the way they are behaving, can ruin the lives of my children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. What's more they can ruin the lives of damn near everyone's children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren.

blah, blah, blah...

you might have at least a modicum of credibility on this allegation if you had, even once, made notice of this guaranteed eventuality at anytime about the reagan, bush I or bush II administrations.

or even just the iraq war.

again, stop complaining and just pay your taxes, already.

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@marsz,

marsz wrote:

check link-
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/are_americans_overtaxed.html

Quote:

April 11, 2006
Are Americans Overtaxed?
By Bruce Bartlett
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According to the poll, 24 percent of people think all taxes should take less than 10 percent of a person's income. Another 43 percent think they should take less than 20 percent. And an additional 22 percent of people think the tax burden should be no more than 30 percent of income.

In other words, two-thirds of Americans think that 19 percent is the most anyone should pay, and 90 percent think that a tax rate of 29 percent should be the maximum.

How does this stack up against actual tax burdens? One way to look at it is to take taxes at all levels of government as a share of the gross domestic product -- the nation's total income. In 2005, taxes came to a little over $3.5 trillion and GDP was close to $12.5 trillion, for an effective tax rate of 28.5 percent.

Another way is to look at the Tax Foundation's "Tax Freedom Day," which calculates the day each year when we stop working for government and start working for ourselves. In effect, this measures taxes as a share of aggregate income. Last year, taxes took 29.1 percent of income by this measure, down from a recent high of 33.6 percent in 2000.

In short, the tax burden is well above the level that at least two-thirds of Americans think should be the maximum and right at the level that 90 percent of them believe should be the absolute limit....

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@DontTreadOnMe,

All they know how to do is complain, complain, complain....

and they're also hypocrites that didn't seem to mind what conservative presidents did to our budget.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

All they know how to do is complain, complain, complain....

and they're also hypocrites that didn't seem to mind what conservative presidents did to our budget.

speaking of taxing.... they're taxing my patience. Laughing

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@cicerone imposter,

So all repubs do is complain?

Arent you the one that acknowledged that they had come up with a health care plan of their own, and it had elements to it you could support.

So, either you were wrong then or you are wrong now.
Which is it?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

All they know how to do is complain, complain, complain....

and they're also hypocrites that didn't seem to mind what conservative presidents did to our budget.

HaHaHa HoHoHo HeHeHe !
They look like complaints to me!

Like I previously posted: obamacrats accuse conservatives of doing exactly what obamacrats do!

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@ican711nm,

like i said before;

"you might have at least a modicum of credibility on this allegation if you had, even once, made notice of this guaranteed eventuality at anytime about the reagan, bush I or bush II administrations. ".

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@DontTreadOnMe,

Or the Carter, Clinton, TRuman, Roosevelt, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, or any other Presidents admin.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Or the Carter, Clinton, TRuman, Roosevelt, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower, or any other Presidents admin.

well, they all spend money, right. my problem with ol' what's his name is that he can't bring himself to admit that the guys i mentioned heaped a bunch of debt on his, mine or everybody else's kids, nephews what ever.

kind of a lopsided view of things and not very honest, dontcha think?

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@DontTreadOnMe,

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kind of a lopsided view of things and not very honest, dontcha think?

Yup, but its as lopsided as you not admitting that EVERY President has heaped debt on our children, grandchildren, etc.

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@mysteryman,

go back and read it again, dude. i did just that..

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

well, they all spend money, right.

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