AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Horse ****. Democrats aren't against disagreements in policy, but we are against citizens disrupting meetings through violence and intimidation, endless chanting and insulting of elected officials. Unruly behavior, not Democratic behavior.

Oh really ??!! I think you are forgetting a very large portion of the history of Democrat & liberal politics over the past few decades.

I believe the real truth here is that a growing number of American voters are becoming concerned and aroused by the actions of a Democrat Congress that is obviously controlled by the organized left-wing constituent groups that dominate it, and the elevated, vague, but increasingly deceptive rhetoric of a President who doesn't do details.

Oh really ??!! I think you are forgetting a very large portion of the history of Democrat & liberal politics over the past few decades.

I believe the real truth here is that a growing number of American voters are becoming concerned and aroused by the actions of a Democrat Congress that is obviously controlled by the organized left-wing constituent groups that dominate it, and the elevated, vague, but increasingly deceptive rhetoric of a President who doesn't do details.

...but increasingly deceptive rhetoric of a President who doesn't do details.

However, there is a great deal of evidence showing that these people - who do have valid concerns - are being whipped into a frenzy by the right-wing media, armed with false arguments and lies about health care reform, and being sent to these meetings specifically to disrupt them.

c) The health insurance industry is spending $1.2 million every day to mislead with misinformation and outright lies about government take-over of the health care industry. Even after Obama has repeatedly said that those with health insurance will be allowed to keep what they have

....This is why those who agree with the principles that went into the Constitution do expect to have a voice and to be heard. ...

The double standard continues to be in play.

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However, there is a great deal of evidence showing that these people - who do have valid concerns - are being whipped into a frenzy by the right-wing media, armed with false arguments and lies about health care reform, and being sent to these meetings specifically to disrupt them.

Then you should be able to show that "evidence".
Not supposition, not opinion, not "we think", not dem talking points, but REAL evidence, that would stand up in a courtroom.

Remember to factor in the Rasmussen +5 "Republican position" bias. That's about how out of line he usually is with all other polling.

Cycloptichorn

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endless chanting and insulting of elected officials.

I dont remember you issuing one single complaint when the same was done to Bush admin officials when they tried to speak at various universities and other public venues.

Official: Dissent Now Unpatriotic
John T. Simpson

You all know the drill. The recent vague and controversial DHS report on right-wing extremism, the cover of which DHS might just as well have put on the Republican Party platform. The endless puerile teabagging jokes from the fourth estate’s finest, giggling into their microphones like ten-year-olds who just found a tittie mag.

CNN reporter Susan Roesgen even called a Tea Party “anti-government and anti-CNN” when her pro-government handout rant to a Tea Partier was rudely interrupted. Ms. Roesgen took particular offense at a sign of Obama with a Hitler moustache. “Why be so hard on the President of the United States though with such an offensive message?” the offended Ms. Roesgen asked.

Yet in 2006, Ms. Roesgen was perfectly comfortable with this Satan/Hitler Bush mask, jokingly calling it a Bush ‘look-alike.’ I guess it all depends on which POTUS you’re hard on. Right, Suzie?

And therein lies the rub. Dissent was SO patriotic not so long ago, wasn’t it? Dissent against war, dissent against torture, dissent against wiretapping, dissent against Gitmo, dissent against rendition, dissent against government abuse of power. In fact, now-Secretary of State Clinton was quite vocal on the matter back in the day:

“I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration, somehow you’re not patriotic. And we should stand up and say we are Americans, and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!”

Right On, Hillary! You Go, Girl! Why is that all different now? I thought she said any administration. Heard plenty of cheers then. Only jeers now. Why is that? Wouldn’t be a double standard, would it?
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jtsimpson/2009/04/19/when-dissent-becomes-unpatriotic/

Go Ahead and Report Me -- I'll Shout Louder
FOX NEWS ^ | 08.05.09 | Kevin McCullough

So what has the White House told supporters to do when you run across those who spread "disinformation" about the new attempt by the Obama administration to install the anti-competitive practices of a "public option" into a federalized universal health care initiative?

Report them.

Whether its communicated through e-mail, web sites, blogs, or even casual conversation the executive branch of the federal government is asking you to make them aware of this "disinformation" because they can't keep track of all of the dissenters themselves.

From Tuesday's White House blog entry:
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2309072/posts

Bill Maher Bashes CNBC's Cramer for Calling Obama Lenin
By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
March 7, 2009 - 23:56 ET

In today's Pot Calling the Kettle Black moment, Bill Maher thinks CNBC's Jim Cramer isn't helping by suggesting that President Barack Obama is Lenin.

This coming from a man who built an entire weekly television program on HBO savagely attacking George W. Bush and anyone associated with his Administration.

Despite the obvious hypocrisy, on Friday's "Real Time," as Maher was talking to CNBC's Erin Burnett about economic and financial coverage on her network, he actually said the following (video embedded below the fold, h/t NB reader Al Holloway):

I don't know if people like Jim Cramer, is doing, is helping, you know when he says Obama is, is Lenin now.

Marvelously, Burnett shot back:

Well, it's interesting because Jim is a Democrat I must say. So, I was a little surprised by his take (inaudible) he's frustrated by the tax policy.

Not only that, but he was also an Obama supporter.

Regardless, it is indeed fascinating that Maher is suddenly protective of the White House, and believes criticism of the president is counter-productive. After all, this is a man who:

Invited former Mexican President Vicente Fox on his program to insult President Bush

Said Bush has American blood on his hands

Called General David Petraeus a stooge

Predicted America would regain prestige once Bush was out of office

Referred to Bush as a paranoid schizophrenic

Called Bush and Cheney traitors

Said Bush has taken away civil rights

Expressed remorse over the March 2007 attempt on Cheney's life having failed

Called Bush a dolt and a Gilligan who can't find his ass with two hands

Referred to Bush as a retarded child emperor

Said Bush had Down's Syndrome

But now that somebody he supports is in the White House, criticism of the president must be avoided?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/07/bill-maher-bashes-cramer-calling-obama-lenin

You will notice that in almost all cases, these meetings started out with people speaking their objections in a much more calm and civil manner. But when the moderators of the meeting were disrespectful to those expressing their displeasure, that's when things got out of hand.

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You will notice that in almost all cases, these meetings started out with people speaking their objections in a much more calm and civil manner. But when the moderators of the meeting were disrespectful to those expressing their displeasure, that's when things got out of hand.

Here's an evidence-less assertion if I ever saw one. I call bullshit.

Cycloptichorn

But you claimed the media was doing it.

According to your links, the people supposedly doing it are all special interest groups, NOT media.

And IMO anything that comes from the Huffington post is suspect, it is as far left as Glenn Beck is to the right.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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You will notice that in almost all cases, these meetings started out with people speaking their objections in a much more calm and civil manner. But when the moderators of the meeting were disrespectful to those expressing their displeasure, that's when things got out of hand.

Here's an evidence-less assertion if I ever saw one. I call bullshit.

Cycloptichorn

Look at that AARP clip again and tell me it's bullshit.

But you dont disagree with the rest of her post?