AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

The American Conservative Party's mission is to promote and protect individual rights and freedoms as set forth in the United States Constitution

Ican

would you mind to explain your present leader who is vegitating in white house follow conservative norms or values or vertues?

Ramafuchs wrote:

The American Conservative Party's mission is to promote and protect individual rights and freedoms as set forth in the United States Constitution

Ican

would you mind to explain your present leader who is vegitating in white house follow conservative norms or values or vertues?

I cannot explain George Bush's conservatism, because I do not think George Bush is a conservative.

The American Conservative Party's mission is to promote and protect individual rights and freedoms as set forth in the United States Constitution, and to limit the scope of government to the authority set forth in the same.

Our efforts will be focused on building and leading opposition to intrusive government agencies and policies at all levels (federal/state/local); promoting initiatives and ideas that address issues via the private sector; and supporting candidates that understand the primary purpose of government is to protect its citizens from foreign threats, not the individual from himself.

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mysteryman wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:

If it's so unfair Fox, answer me this:

"Why is there no conservative party?"

If it's such a perfect ideal. It popularity is certainly used by the republicans, so it must have a large following. Why doesn't it have a party?

I just don't see the criticism coming from you at the republicans to support any other conclusion than they are what you want.

If you do believe in conservatism, it's certainly not at the top of your political totem.

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Then using your argument, why is there no liberal party?

1) Did I claim to be a liberal?
2) "Progressivism" is probably a better term.
3) Whereas conservatism is rigid, progressivism/liberalism is not. Conservatism is sold as a uniform ideal, a solution.
4) The democrats have become a party representing the dynamic relationship of multiple ideals. A formation of a "liberal party" would only be necessary if the democrats failed to represent or at address liberal ideals.

I'm a moderate centrist. The democrats moved into my neighborhood. I only seem so leftist, because the right has moved even further right.

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How have the democrats become a party representing the dynamic relationship of multiple ideals? And how is Conservatism so rigid?

Let's test it:

Please give your best paragraph describing what the progressive Democrat sees as the best way to improve education.

But I do find Ican's post, taken from the Conservative Party website, to be a very good condensed version of what American conservatism is all about.

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The American Conservative Party's mission is to promote and protect individual rights and freedoms as set forth in the United States Constitution, and to limit the scope of government to the authority set forth in the same.

Our efforts will be focused on building and leading opposition to intrusive government agencies and policies at all levels (federal/state/local); promoting initiatives and ideas that address issues via the private sector; and supporting candidates that understand the primary purpose of government is to protect its citizens from foreign threats, not the individual from himself.

Foxfyre wrote:

But I do find Ican's post, taken from the Conservative Party website, to be a very good condensed version of what American conservatism is all about.

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The American Conservative Party's mission is to promote and protect individual rights and freedoms as set forth in the United States Constitution, and to limit the scope of government to the authority set forth in the same.

Our efforts will be focused on building and leading opposition to intrusive government agencies and policies at all levels (federal/state/local); promoting initiatives and ideas that address issues via the private sector; and supporting candidates that understand the primary purpose of government is to protect its citizens from foreign threats, not the individual from himself.

Is that a place the Republican party can go? or will conservatives have to make the Conservative party a viable third party option?

Here is a voice from a real American conservative

http://www.mises.org/books/freedomsiege.pdf

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You [did] vote for him 2 times though...

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I am an observer of your country thro internet and many journals and dailies.
Your country had stooped so deep nether the conservative nor the progressive can uplift.
I feel pity for the people but not for the system

I am not sure sir.
Read the entire article which starts withese words.

"Dark Ages America will very likely be incomprehensible to most of my fellow Americans, especially to those who reelected George W. Bush in 2004. Indeed, for the majority, there appears to be little doubt that America is at the zenith of its military power, capable of shaking up the world as it sees fit and charged with the mission of bringing the light of democracy to the darkest corners of the globe. Does it make sense, they will undoubtedly ask, to talk of a new Dark Age, when American power extends so far and wide?


http://www.bullnotbull.com/archive/dark-ages-america.html

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The truth is no less true because it is depressing, and to ignore or suppress it because it may not make one happy is the behavior of fools. This book was written for those individuals, American or not, who are more interested in reality than illusion, more committed to understanding America as it is than in being comforted by a fantasy of what it is, or of what it might supposedly become. And if this is depressing on one level, it may prove to be exciting on another. For the story of the trajectory of American civilization, from Plymouth Rock to Dead?End Iraq, is a fascinating one. If the reader is willing to view this "from the outside," as it were which is to say, dispassionately -- the adventure can be a liberating one; or so I believe. Americans, after all, are not trained to think historically or sociologically, to understand that their culture is but one among many, and thus to be able to grasp it objectively, as a whole. But without this "X-ray" ability, there can be no freedom at all: one is just sleepwalking through life, taking a mass myth for reality. And ignorance is not bliss; it's always better to leave Plato's cave, or so it seems to me. So if I am not able to offer the reader any upbeat message, I'm nevertheless hoping to offer him or her a kind of slow-motion "aha!" experience: "Oh, so that's why . . ." There are, in short, readers who find reality -- whether "good" or "bad" -- finally more fulfilling than fairy tales, and it is to this audience that Dark Ages America is addressed.

At long last, the conservative juggernaut is cracking up. From the Reagan era until late 2005 or so, conservatives crushed progressives like me in debates as reliably as the Harlem Globetrotters owned the Washington Generals. The right would eloquently praise the virtues of free markets and the magic of the invisible hand. We would respond by stammering about the importance of regulation and a mixed economy, knowing even as the words came out that our audience was becoming bored.

Conservatives would get knowing laughs by mocking bureaucrats. We would drone on about how everyone can benefit from the experience and expertise of able civil servants. They promised to transform stodgy old Social Security into an exciting investment opportunity that would make everyone wealthy in retirement. We warned about the scheme's "transition costs" while swearing that the existing program would still be around for today's younger workers. They offered tax cuts. We talked amorphously about taxes as the price of a civilized society. After Sept. 11, 2001, they vowed to strike hard at terrorists anywhere and everywhere without worrying about the thumb-twiddlers at the United Nations. We stood up for the thumb-twiddlers.

But now, seemingly all of a sudden, conservatives are the ones who are tongue-tied, as demonstrated by Sen. John McCain's limping, message-free presidential campaign. McCain's ongoing difficulties in exciting voters aren't just a tactical problem; his woes stem largely from his long-standing adherence to a set of ideas that simply haven't worked in practice. The belief system and finely crafted policy pitches that enabled the right to dominate the war of ideas for the past 30 years have produced a relentless succession of governing failures, from Iraq to Katrina to the economy to the environment


Traditionally, conservatives have defined themselves as resistant to change, standing "athwart history, yelling Stop," as the late William F. Buckley Jr. famously put it. But right now, conservatives -- including McCain -- are damned if they do change and damned if they don't.

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/

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