AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

I believe Okie stepped in cices... it's OK because that **** washes off.

0 Replies

@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

The post office could save 3.5 billion and start turning an immediate profit simply by eliminating Saturday delivery. That to me seems to be the logical way to go:

You don't know what you're talking about. Saturday delivery does not eat into profits anymore than keeping Wal Mart open on Saturday eats into Wal Mart's profits.

Perhaps we can save water if everyone stopped flushing their toilets at 5:00 p.m. on Friday and didn't start again until Monday morning. That's a huge savings if we fail to assess the cost of all those save-up turds clogging toilets and overflowing the system on Monday morning. But HECK, government workers can get over-time pay the rest of week to handle the weekend overflow and plumbers and others who sell cleaning products and deodorizers will see huge increases in their businesses....

0 Replies

@Debra Law,

Quote:

Who said "liberals" are not in favor of free enterprise? I'm defending it while the conservatives on this board are trying to dismantle it

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself.
Unless I'm mistaken, you are one of the ones that supported bailing out the banks.
If you truly were defending free enterprise, you would have wanted the govt to leave the banks alone, and let the "free enterprise system" determine which banks failed and which ones didnt.

2 Replies

@parados,

The income tax is a direct tax. It is a direct tax on individual's based on their incomes.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=direct+tax&x=19&y=8
Main Entry: direct tax Pronunciation Guide
Function: noun
: a tax exacted directly from the person on whom the ultimate burden of the tax is expected to fall <property, income, gift, inheritance, and poll taxes are generally included under direct taxes>

Your inability to find "in the US code anywhere that taxed the states based on a head count." is remarkable considering that the direct tax on each state based on the size of the population of each state is specified in Article I Section 2 of the Constiitution.

I call a head tax a direct tax on the number of persons in a unit; in this case the unit is a state.

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=head+tax&x=28&y=7
Main Entry: head tax Pronunciation Guide
Function: noun
: a tax usually identical on every individual in a class or group: as a : POLL TAX b : a per-capita tax imposed on one (as a steamship company) bringing immigrants into the United States

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
The Constitution of the United States of America
Effective as of March 4, 1789
...
Article I Section 2. ... direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

1 Reply

@mysteryman,

You may want to re-read the last few pages of the thread, mysteryman. Debra can speak for herself, but I think her remark specifically addressed mass mailers paying the Postal Service to transport their mass mailings. Debra supports their right to do so, Okie doesn't.

0 Replies

Govt hypocrisy at its worst...

http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/social-security-admin-trains-hundreds-at-arizona-biltmore.html

Quote:

The US Social Security Administration is dubbed one of the best agencies to work for, and judging by a training conference, I can see why. Fox News scooped the training conference held at the Arizona Biltmore, a facility claiming to be "known throughout the world as the 'Jewel of the Desert.'"Every room has a well-stocked mini-bar and for the weight conscious, a scale. The SSA, Fox said, flew 700 managers to the resort for a conference with skits, a dance troupe, Casino Night and door prizes.

If you're recalling President Barack Obama's fit about private companies doing the wine- and-dine in exotic locations after taking taxpayer bailout money, you're not alone. The federal government spends taxpayer money with no shame, no integrity and no accountability.

The Fox reporter asked a SSA spokesman, "With withering criticism over the misuse of taxpayer dollars, many people will look at this and go, 'Wait, same thing.'"

The spokesman replied, "There's a clear distinction between the two. They received specific bailout dollars. We didn't. We're not using any recovery money. There's no ARA money involved in this."

Read the last 2 paragraphs I quoted.
Do the people that run the SSA really think that people are that stupid.

The spokesman seems to be saying that " they used govt money, but they didnt use govt money"

2 Replies

@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
Who said "liberals" are not in favor of free enterprise? I'm defending it while the conservatives on this board are trying to dismantle it

Now you seem to be contradicting yourself.
Unless I'm mistaken, you are one of the ones that supported bailing out the banks.
If you truly were defending free enterprise, you would have wanted the govt to leave the banks alone, and let the "free enterprise system" determine which banks failed and which ones didnt.

Perhaps you should review the "bail out" threads, mm.

Many of us whom you identify as "liberals" were against setting aside 700 billion in government funds to bail out the bastards who caused our economy to collapse.

0 Replies

@mysteryman,

Well that fits with Joe Biden's recent assurance that he isn't holding closed meetings--he's just holding meetings closed to the press.

Wasn't that something they really got on President Bush and Vice President Cheney about?

1 Reply

@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

The spokesman seems to be saying that " they used govt money, but they didnt use govt money"

Maybe he seems to be saying that to you, but he isn't. Rather, he's saying "they used bailout money and we didn't". The SSA may be responsible for many things, but this isn't one of them. This is merely a lack of reading comprehension on your part.

1 Reply

@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Federal taxes on states prior to the 16th Amendment, but after the 14th Amendment, were based on "the whole number of free persons"--"excluding Indians not taxed." That is a federal headcount tax.

Now you're just making **** up. There was never any such "federal headcount tax" in the entire history of the United States.

ican711nm wrote:

Nothing in the 16th Amendment changed the meaning of the word uniform, as used in Article I Section 8, to mean anything other than taxes on each item taxed shall be equal

The uniformity clause simply means that the same taxes shall be applied uniformly throughout the country. So, for example, Virginians wouldn't be assessed higher taxes than Pennsylvanians. It doesn't mean that the federal government can only institute a flat income tax.

0 Replies

@Foxfyre,

The real issue here is "how many?" Bush-Cheney (8 years) vs Obama-Biden (six months).

0 Replies

Only three and a half years to go...

1 Reply

@Thomas,

The MAC perspective is a taxpayer dollar is a taxpayer dollar regardless of what it is spent on. And the government should be as concerned with good stewardship of a dollar spent by the SSA as it is with a dollar spent by somebody who got mega bailout bucks.

It takes me the same amount of time to earn the tax dollar the government spends in both cases.

0 Replies

@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

Why don't we just recycle paper rather than tossing it in the circular file for disposal in a landfill?

The idea of recycling looks good on paper... but the cost in time & fuel is much
higher than the initial production cost and distribution of the original item.

You make a compelling argument.

Let's lower the cost of fuel and make recycling more cost-efficient. Let's make using fossil fuels so expensive that people will have to switch to renewable, environment-friendly energy sources. It will create millions of new jobs in the renewable energy industry. I know, I know . . . that will hurt the oil industry . . . but what about the mail order industry? It employs millions of people and generates billions and billions of dollars in sales every year.

Quote:

The better plan is to reduce the overall volume of junk mail generated each and every day.

Why do you want to put businesses out of business? If businesses are deprived of the means to directly and effectively solicit consumers, how will businesses survive or grow? How will jobs be created?

And what about non-profit organizations (including religious organizations) that rely on mass mailing solicitations to generate donations for charitable purposes?

Quote:

The better plan for American Conservatism is to reduce the overall size, scope and daily cost of government.

I don't understand. Conservatives want to destroy businesses and non-profit organizations in order to reduce the size, scope, and daily cost of government?

1 Reply

@H2O MAN,

Quote:

Only three and a half years to go...

You'll still have high school to complete.

0 Replies

@parados,

parados wrote:

Quote:
Well, I'll give you props for at least writing coherent sentences for awhile, but I declare victory as you have offered absolutely nothing coherent in rebuttal. But I'm really disappointed that you choose to be the typical liberal on this thread and turn tail and run when challenged to support your point of view. I had chosen to believe you are better than that.

That is funny coming from Fox. She has had me on ignore for some time now because I kept responding to her.

But ignoring what others are saying isn't turning tail and running in Foxfyre's version of reality.

Yeah. Foxfyre has me on "ignore" too as an excuse to turn tail and run from my posts . . . but she must peek nevertheless because she was quick to respond and "defend" herself when I caught her taking credit for another person's published thoughts and words and on the "Jesus said I am the way" thread.

0 Replies

@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

I don't understand.

Yeah, we know that you don't understand... thank you for the unsolicited confirmation.

1 Reply

@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

I don't understand.

Yeah, we know you don't.

Then please explain why conservatives pretend to be the advocates for free enterprise while they simultaneously object to freedom to pursue free enterprise through bulk mailing?

This business activity generates nearly 200 billion a year in income and creates jobs for many millions of Americans.

All of a sudden conservatives are environmentalists and tree huggers concerned about wasteful paper products and overly-stressed landfills? What an amazing about face. Can't we address those environmental problems without sending millions of Americans to the unemployment lines?

1 Reply

@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

Can't we address those environmental problems without sending millions of Americans to the unemployment lines?

It's obvious that Obama can't live up to your request.

0 Replies

@ican711nm,

Quote:

The income tax is a direct tax. It is a direct tax on individual's based on their incomes.

According to the body that decides the law, the US Supreme Court, income tax on wages is an indirect tax. Their ruling in 1895 over rules your 2009 dictionary.

1 Reply

AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Related Topics

Quick Links

My Account

able2know