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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:43 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
You offered no evidence that government meddling increased efficiency and profit... why is that?

Because it's not what I claimed.


You agree that government meddling does not increase efficiency and profit... Your point is noted.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:48 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
We don't have to run the post office as if we are still in the 1800's.


The cost of a postage stamp is still relatively cheap when you consider that the USPS has invested billions of dollars in modern technology to optically scan the addresses of millions of pieces of mail that flow through the national system day in and day out. Through the use of efficient technology and the maintenance of a skilled and dedicated national workforce (who care about the "sanctity of the mail"), the USPS provides a valuable and reliable service to all Americans at a relatively low cost. That you think the postal service is still run as if we were still in the 1800's merely demonstrates your ignorance.

But go ahead: Dismantle the antiquated USPS as you perceive it to be and entrust your house payment and precious letters, cards, and packages to unregulated private corporations and a transient, high-turnover unskilled workforce of minimum-wage, no-benefit workers. I know that will make you happy so long as the corporate executives are living in mansions, flying to the Bahamas for corporate meetings, and generally living the American dream. You may then aspire to become a corporate executive while you plod along in life wondering if Aunt Tilly received that $20 you tucked in her birthday card.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:51 pm
@H2O MAN,
Too bad the government didn't meddle into all those sub-prime loans to unqualified buyers, and all those derivatives that banks and finance companies continued to trade at inflated values.

As a consequence of our government not doing their jobs, many middle class families who lived responsibly and once owned homes are now without jobs and their homes. This trickle-down crisis hit many Americans, and we're still losing thousands of jobs almost daily.

It's wonderful that all you MACs and conservatives are not affected by this economic crisis, and don't require any of our government's handouts.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:52 pm
@Debra Law,



Under law, the Postal Service must break even over time.
It is not set-up to make a profit and if it happens to end up with a surplus, that
surplus is supposed to be used to pay for the next years cost of doing business.


A board of 11 governors, nine of which are appointed by the president, and approved by the Senate, runs the USPS. These members then decide on their 10th member, the postmaster general or CEO. Then these 10 select the deputy master general, or chief operating officer.

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The USPS has laws guaranteeing its monopoly on non-urgent first class mail (18 U.S.C. 1725). That's why FedEx cannot put anything in your mailbox. The USPS also enjoys sovereign immunity as well as the powers of eminent domain. The U.S. Postal Inspection Service is one of the oldest law enforcement agencies in the nation, with the ability to enforce over 200 federal laws, including search and seizure.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,


You need only look at Slobbering Barney Frank and his boyfriend
pimp to understand why the fed's side of home finance imploded.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 04:56 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

If the problem is government failure, cut the military budget by half. If the rest of the world can defend itself for 3% of its GDP, so can America.


Are you sure about that? Would you feel as secure if America could defend itself against serious aggression no better than those countries who spend no more than 3% of their GDP on defense can defend themselves?
Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:01 pm
@Foxfyre,
Yes I am, and yes I would.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:01 pm
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:

But, as Debra just pointed out, the USPS is making money just fine!


If that's what Debra pointed out, I would love to see where she is getting her/his numbers.

Quote:
Postmaster General- USPS Shall Run Out Of Money In 2009
March 26th, 2009

AP--Interesting. At least the Post Office understands that it’s labor agreements are part of the reason it is in this predicament. AP

The post office will run out of money this year unless it gets help, Postmaster General John Potter told Congress on Wednesday as he sought permission to cut delivery to five days a week.

“We are facing losses of historic proportion. Our situation is critical,” Potter told a House panel.

The agency lost $2.8 billion last year and is looking at much larger losses this year. Reducing mail delivery from six days to five days a week could save $3.5 billion annually, Potter said.
http://www.puma08.com/2009/03/26/postmaster-general-usps-shall-run-out-of-money-in-2009/
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:05 pm
@Foxfyre,


The Obamadeficit is huge!
Cutting the military budget by half would only make it easier for enemies to further weaken this country.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:06 pm
@Foxfyre,


No kidding!

It's obvious DL does not know the law.

okie
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:12 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

okie wrote:
We don't have to run the post office as if we are still in the 1800's.


The cost of a postage stamp is still relatively cheap when you consider that the USPS has invested billions of dollars in modern technology to optically scan the addresses of millions of pieces of mail that flow through the national system day in and day out. Through the use of efficient technology and the maintenance of a skilled and dedicated national workforce (who care about the "sanctity of the mail"), the USPS provides a valuable and reliable service to all Americans at a relatively low cost. That you think the postal service is still run as if we were still in the 1800's merely demonstrates your ignorance.

But go ahead: Dismantle the antiquated USPS as you perceive it to be and entrust your house payment and precious letters, cards, and packages to unregulated private corporations and a transient, high-turnover unskilled workforce of minimum-wage, no-benefit workers. I know that will make you happy so long as the corporate executives are living in mansions, flying to the Bahamas for corporate meetings, and generally living the American dream. You may then aspire to become a corporate executive while you plod along in life wondering if Aunt Tilly received that $20 you tucked in her birthday card.

Well, perhaps not that much more expensive, but inflation adjusted a 3 cent stamp in 1950 should not cost us more than 30 cents now. I think the postal service has become an institution mainly to deliver junk mail. I would rather cut the bureaucracy down tremendously by reducing the number of pieces of mail processed, to make the mail a higher percentage of important mail, cut number of delivery days, reduce staffing and infrastructure, and actually make it run at a profit. I realize junk mail pays a huge portion of the budget, but taxpayers should not have to prop up an institution to deliver junk mail. First of all cut delivery on Saturday, and I actually think we could live on 3 days per week delivery quite nicely. A number of other changes could also be instituted. Face it, snail mail is not as essential as it once was.

My suggestions are not cast in stone, I would need to study the situation to know exactly what direction could be taken, but it is a foregone conclusion that the bureaucracy is poorly run. I know that simply watching the employees and the bureacracy, how it is run, and monitor mail service over my lifetime. I have personally lost alot of mail, and just recently a couple pieces of mail, one disappeared, the other was mangled and returned. This should not happen on a routine basis.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:13 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:




Under law, the Postal Service must break even over time.
It is not set-up to make a profit and if it happens to end up with a surplus, that
surplus is supposed to be used to pay for the next years cost of doing business.


A board of 11 governors, nine of which are appointed by the president, and approved by the Senate, runs the USPS. These members then decide on their 10th member, the postmaster general or CEO. Then these 10 select the deputy master general, or chief operating officer.

.

The USPS has laws guaranteeing its monopoly on non-urgent first class mail (18 U.S.C. 1725). That's why FedEx cannot put anything in your mailbox. The USPS also enjoys sovereign immunity as well as the powers of eminent domain. The U.S. Postal Inspection Service is one of the oldest law enforcement agencies in the nation, with the ability to enforce over 200 federal laws, including search and seizure.



What you see is the USPS and private industry serving the "postal" needs of the people. The USPS competes with private business corporations and vice-versa and NO ONE is clamoring about a national "postal" crisis. The USPS is doing well and private corporations are doing well.

The same can be done with our health care system. The private health insurance industry does not have to exclude government from the field to do well. The two may co-exist as a means to resolve the health care crisis to everyone's benefit.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:15 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:



The USPS is doing well and private corporations are doing well.




You are high!

Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer!
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:24 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



No kidding!

It's obvious DL does not know the law.




I honestly don't know what he/she knows about the law as I have never seen anything but cut and paste from sites like Findlaw from her and all of us know the law if we never have to cite our own opinion about it. But I have no doubt he or she knows more about the fine print than I do since I don't know a whole lot.

But to say that the U.S. Post Office is making money just fine? That is waaaaaay out there on the credibility meter.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:28 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
I realize junk mail pays a huge portion of the budget, but taxpayers should not have to prop up an institution to deliver junk mail.


Okie! You have it all backwards! Use some common sense!

The USPS offers a bulk rate to commercial business and commercial business takes advantage of the ability to conduct mass marketing at an affordable rate. In order to qualify for bulk rates, the mail must be bar coded and pre-sorted. That saves a ton of work. The bulk mail payments that private businesses make to the USPS help to SUBSIDIZE the mail processing/delivery costs incurred by individual mailers like YOU.

If the USPS was deprived of the enormous profits from bulk-rate mail, the cost of postage would dramatically increase for YOU.

If private businesses around the country did not find it profitable to engage in bulk mailing activities, they wouldn't do it.

Bulk mailing is good for the business and good for the economy!!!!!!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:29 pm
@Debra Law,
It may be good for the business and our economy, but most of ours goes straight into the circular file.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:29 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

Use some common sense!


That's the funniest ******* thing a liberal has said in a very long time ~ thanks for the laugh DL Laughing
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:32 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:



The USPS offers a bulk rate to commercial business and commercial business takes advantage of the ability to conduct mass marketing at an affordable rate.


And just look at how many trees are used to feed that monster... why do you hate mother nature?

cicerone imposter wrote:

It may be good for the business and our economy, but most of ours goes straight into the circular file.


Agreed and what a waste of resources including the fuel consumption.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:45 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Debra Law wrote:



The USPS is doing well and private corporations are doing well.




You are high!

Put the crack pipe down and step away from the computer!



First, the allegation that the USPS is incompetent and ineffective is a LIE. The USPS is self-supporting despite the fact that it competes with private business while it simultaneously processes millions and millions of pieces of mail everyday 24/7 and delivers everywhere in the entire country 6 days a week and effectively serves every single person in this country without anyone clamoring about a national "postal" crisis.

Second, if I am smoking a crack pipe when I claim that the private corporations that compete with the USPS are doing well, then both Foxfyre and Newt Gingrich are also smoking a crack pipe because they're holding up Fed Ex as an example of a "world that works."



Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jul, 2009 05:47 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
What you see is the USPS and private industry serving the "postal" needs of the people. The USPS competes with private business corporations and vice-versa and NO ONE is clamoring about a national "postal" crisis. The USPS is doing well and private corporations are doing well.

The same can be done with our health care system. The private health insurance industry does not have to exclude government from the field to do well. The two may co-exist as a means to resolve the health care crisis to everyone's benefit.

Or -- to build a bridge to conservatives and the reforms they hold dear -- with schooling.
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