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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:20 pm
I wasn't.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:22 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I think it was not conservatives who have attempted to capitalize on it or who demanded that head roll. I think it was parents in general, regardless of ideology, who initially protested it.

I mean when I'm sitting there with my grandchild or other young kids watching the Superbowl, I don't want to have to explain why Justin Timberlake is singing about stripping her naked before this night is through and then ripping the fabric off her bare breast.


Well, I highly doubt it was Liberals who raised a stink, as we would be likely to say to the kids 'it's a song about sex.' And what's wrong with that?

Cycloptichorn
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:31 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
especially since she had made a point of attaching a decorative pastie to her nipple that night-


it was a nipple shield, not a pastie - standard issue for that type of piercing - there was an entertaining thread on the subject at the time
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:34 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
especially since she had made a point of attaching a decorative pastie to her nipple that night-


it was a nipple shield, not a pastie - standard issue for that type of piercing - there was an entertaining thread on the subject at the time


Perhaps, I wouldn't know what is standard for that type o piercing. I do know that the next day Matt Drudge posted a close up photo of the bare breast and it sure did look like a pastie. But I don't know enough about that either to comment with any authority.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:35 pm
mysteryman wrote:
I dont know any conservative that cared one way or another about Janet and her "wardrobe malfunction".


there were a few posters who made a fuss back at the time

one of them (kjv, as I recall) was particularly incensed. suggested some link between seeing a nipple and girls becoming lesbians. <shakes>

these were among the big fussers at the time

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Washington D.C. -- Christian Coalition of America, the largest pro-family grassroots organization in America, blames the lack of oversight by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) during the past several years for the outrageous National Football League's Super Bowl half-time show. CBS allowed its sister station, MTV, to air a segment in which rap singer Justin Timberlake disrobed singer Janet Jackson exposing her right breast in front of tens of millions of children all over the world.

President of the Christian Coalition of America Roberta Combs said, "Although legislation introduced in Congress to increase penalties for repeated offenses to $7.5 million per offense is a good start, Christian Coalition agrees with Mr. Michael Copps, one of the FCC Democrat commissioners that station licenses for repeated obscenity offenses should be revoked. The FCC itself has to accept most of the blame for last night's immoral broadcast on CBS. The FCC, with a 3 Republican member majority, has refused to punish the television networks for allowing the use of the F-word and for other outrageous behavior during the past year. And these so-called entertainers have taken advantage of the lack of oversight by the FCC."
Left-wing entertainers and the national television networks have been flaunting the broadcasting decency standards for years. It is time for Congress to apply some oversight to the Federal Communications Commission which hasn't been doing its job. Mrs. Combs said, "Congress needs to move aggressively to pass legislation which will finally and severely sanction those individuals and broadcasting companies and stations which violate decency standards. The American people demand it."


http://www.cc.org/content.cfm?id=112
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:42 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
especially since she had made a point of attaching a decorative pastie to her nipple that night-


it was a nipple shield, not a pastie - standard issue for that type of piercing - there was an entertaining thread on the subject at the time


found it...

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18417
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 01:42 pm
Well even Conservatives have their extremist fringe and the article you posted ehBeth is a good example of one of them. I agree that the people should be able to establish reasonable parameters for public decency and a media organization that repeatedly violated those should not be licensed. Any censorship of private (versus public) media based on decency standards should be applied very sparingly, however. (Child porn would be one area where it would be appropriate to censor content for instance.)

I do think the people should expect family entertainment during the Superbowl halftime and that it is appropriate to censure violations of that principle. A 7.5 million dollar fine is ridiculous, however as would be revocation of a license for a single offense that the network never saw coming so far as we know.

Ah, the photos are still up on SNOPES

Sutable for a family halftime show????
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jul, 2008 02:27 pm
JTT wrote:

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I don't believe that unconstitutional laws have ever been found to be illegal.

If they were deemed illegal, don't you think it should follow that those who perpetrated these illegalities, ie. the legislators, law enforcement, and the lower courts could/would all be subject to punishment? Should those same people be civilly liable?

According to the definition of illegal, an illegal act is illegal whether or not the perpetrator(s) of the act is(are) subjected to punishment for perpetrating such an act.

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=illegal&x=24&y=7
Main Entry: il·legal Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: ()i(l), +
Function: adjective
Etymology: French or Medieval Latin; French illégal, from Medieval Latin illegalis, from Latin in- 1in- + legalis legal -- more at LEGAL
: contrary to or violating a law or rule or regulation or something else (as an established custom) having the force of law : UNLAWFUL, ILLICIT <the illegal use of taxpayers' money> <illegal> <an> <an> <an> -- compare NONLEGAL
- il·legally \"+\ adverb

According to the definition of unlawful, an unlawful act is unlawful whether or not the perpetrator(s) of the act is(are) subjected to punishment for perpetrating such an act..

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http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=unlawful&x=27&y=8
Main Entry: un·lawful Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: "+
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English unlaweful, from 1un- + laweful lawful -- more at LAWFUL
1 : not lawful : contrary to or prohibited by law : not authorized or justified by law : not permitted or warranted by law <unlawful> <unlawful>
2 : acting contrary to or in defiance of the law : disobeying or disregarding the law <unlawful> <unlawful>
3 : contrary to normal or acceptable procedure : IRREGULAR; especially : not morally right or conventional <unlawful> <unlawful>
4 : born out of wedlock : ILLEGITIMATE
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 12:31 pm
The Republicans have put in place the foundation for a police state. I am confident that the Democrats, too, will make a mess. But can they beat this record?

We must get the Republicans totally out of power, or we will have no country left for the Democrats to mess up.

I say this as a person who has done as much for the Republican Party as anyone. I helped to devise and to get implemented an economic policy that cured stagflation and that brought Republicans back into political competition after Watergate. If I could have looked into a crystal ball and seen that under a free trade banner, Republicans would enable corporate executives to pay themselves millions of dollars in "performance pay" for deserting their American work forces and hiring foreigners in their place, thus destroying the aspirations and careers of millions of Americans, I never would have helped the Republicans. If a crystal ball had revealed that a neoconned Republican Party would launch wars of naked aggression against countries that posed no threat to the United States, I would have shouted my warnings even earlier.

The neoconned Republican Party is the greatest threat America has ever faced

http://www.lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts255.html
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 12:52 pm
The DEMOCRATS have put in place the foundation for a police state. I am confident that the REPUBLICANS, too, will make a mess. But can they beat this record?

We must get the DEMOCRATS totally out of power, or we will have no country left for the REPUBLICANS to mess up.

The COLLECTIVIST DEMOCRATIC Party is the greatest threat America has ever faced. As of 1937, the DEMOCRATS began an acceleration of their adoption of laws that violate the USA Constitution, leading us to an ultimate abandonment of our Constitutional Republic. Those Republicans who are Go-along-to-get-along Republicans were their accomplices.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 12:56 pm
Thanks for the logical retort.
Rama
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 01:29 pm
Dammit. I missed out on the nipple shield/pastie discussion.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 03:30 pm
Ramafuchs wrote:
Thanks for the logical retort.
Rama

It was also a factual retort.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 05:06 pm
American Conservatism in 2008 and Beyond

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Harpers: The Justice Department's Inspector General (OIG) and the Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) have been investigating the firing of eight U.S. attorneys, including yourself, and their report is now due. The OPR has been heavily criticized lately for its failure to follow through on major investigations, and it has been manipulated--sometimes overtly--by political appointees. OIG has maintained its independence and integrity, however. Have you been interviewed in connection with this probe? Did it strike you as thorough and professional? Do you expect a report to be issued shortly, and if so, what are the major conclusions you would anticipate?

Iglesias: Yes, I was interviewed by attorneys from both OIG and OPR. They initially interviewed me in Albuquerque in June, 2007. They called me a couple more times with follow-up questions. I viewed them as professional and thorough. I expect the report to be filed any day now. I expect them to conclude that there is sufficient evidence to show that former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and former Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty committed perjury in their statements before Congressional committees and investigators. They may find that former McNulty chief of staff Mike Elston intimidated witnesses based on his calls to former U.S. Attorney Bud Cummins of Arkansas. I was aware that Elston had told Cummins that "the gloves would come off" if we kept speaking out about our forced resignations. I found out after In Justice went to print that Elston also told Cummins we would be "thrown under the bus" for our speaking out. It is appalling that a former career federal prosecutor like Elston would so flagrantly violate the law against witness intimidation. There may be enough evidence to warrant a formal investigation of conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges against Gonzales, McNulty and Elston.


Corruption. That word more then any other accurately describes American Conservatism.

Cycloptichorn
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 06:30 pm
More corruption. "slime" and "scum" also accurately describe these folk.

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Davis: Pressure To Rush David Hicks' Trial Came Day After Australian Ambassador Meeting

In March 2007, Australian native David Hicks, who was a detainee at Guantanamo Bay, became the first person to be sentenced by a military commission convened under the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Last February, Col. Morris Davis, the lead prosecutor in Hicks' trial, told the Australian that the Pentagon "leaned on" him to rush Hicks' trial, even though at the time he "had no regulations for trial by military commissions."

In an interview with WAMU's Diane Rehm yesterday, Morris added details of how "political influence" was involved in Hicks' trial. On January 9, 2007, Davis says the Defense Department's general counsel, William Haynes, called him up and asked, "how quickly can you charge David Hicks?"

Davis then noted that Haynes call came the day after "there was a meeting with the Australian ambassador" to the United States:

DAVIS: So, the major pieces were not in place and I'm having the DoD general counsel calling me up, the day after there was a meeting with the Australian ambassador, asking, "how quickly I could charge David Hicks."

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http://thinkprogress.org/

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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 07:00 pm
American conservatism in 2008 and and beyond will be what it has always been; lies, lies and more lies. Watch out for the latest meme. It'll be trumpeted far and wide.


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[the world should be so lucky]

But yesterday on CNN, Center for American Progress Action Fund Senior Vice President and former Clinton Deputy Press Secretary Jennifer Palmieri emphasized that even as a sitting president, Bill Clinton had "many" op-eds rejected by the Times:

"When I worked for President Clinton, "The New York Times" rejected many op-eds written by him as a sitting president of the United States."

...

http://thinkprogress.org/

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okie
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 10:19 am
Rush is playing clips today of Ronald Reagan and JFK in Germany, Brandenburg Gate, and drawing comparison to Obama. Reagan and JFK both made speeches, condemning communism, and they were spectacular, and no Democrat would make such a speech today. They have no spine. Obama is after the tradition of appeasers, not great leaders. Tremendous bit of work by Rush and his staff.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 10:22 am
okie wrote:
Rush is playing clips today of Ronald Reagan and JFK in Germany, Brandenburg Gate, and drawing comparison to Obama. Reagan and JFK both made speeches, condemning communism, and they were spectacular, and no Democrat would make such a speech today. They have no spine. Obama is after the tradition of appeasers, not great leaders. Tremendous bit of work by Rush and his staff.


What a tool you are, following your porcine leader around, Okie.

No Dem would condemn Communism today b/c it isn't really present in our world any longer. It's not a big issue. Morons.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 10:35 am
True American Conservatism is dedicated to the restoration and conservation of the USA Constitutional Republic:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


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We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.



Bill Clinton fired the entire staff of Justice Department attorneys that were appointed by previous presidents and replaced them with his own appointees. No reasons or explanations for Clinton exercising this presidential prerogative were ever given or requested by anyone: Democrat, Republican or independent.

Al-Qaeda waged war in 1993 on the USA when they attempted to blow up one World Trade Tower and collapse it into the other World Trade Tower.

Al-Qaeda found sanctuary in Afghanistan and declared war against the USA in 1996. Subsequently, al-Qaeda waged war against some USA embassies, and against USA military.

In 2001, al-Qaeda waged war against and destroyed both USA World Trade Towers, murdering thousands of non-murderers. Also in 2001, al-Qaeda waged war against the USA Department of Defense building and destroyed part of it, murdering some of its occupants. Additionally, Iraq destroyed three USA airliners, murdering all occupants.

The USA subsequently retaliated against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in October 2001. Some al-Qaeda fled to Iraq in December 2001 and grew rapidly thereafter. In March 2003, the USA continued its retaliation against al-Qaeda including al-Qaeda in Iraq as well as al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

The USA also replaced the Afghanistan and Iraq governments who had been mass murdering the non-murderers in both countries.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 10:37 am
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Bill Clinton fired the entire staff of Justice Department attorneys that were appointed by previous presidents and replaced them with his own appointees. No reasons or explanations for Clinton exercising this presidential prerogative were ever given or requested by anyone: Democrat, Republican or independent.


This is a rather common thing to do when a new president from the other party is elected.

Cycloptichorn
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