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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:13 am
@Foxfyre,
Sowell knows the difference between deficit and debt, no doubt about that, this is simply a case of libs can't find anything substantive to criticize so they stoop to that.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:25 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Sowell knows the difference between deficit and debt, no doubt about that, this is simply a case of libs can't find anything substantive to criticize so they stoop to that.


I made a substantive criticism: that Sowell is fear-mongering and using shitty metaphors to try and back it up.

And I really do believe he is fear-mongering. He's a stalwart member of the 'attack them before they can attack us!' crowd. It's a sign of inner insecurity to display such a face to the world all the time.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:31 am
@okie,
okie, Big difference between a) national defense, and b) domestic security. I know you don't know the difference between the two.

Your use of
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"... explain to us all why his idol, Barack Obama needs ..."
is something he dreamed up in his tiny brain; he hasn't read any of my criticisms about Obama, and nobody is my "idol." His imagination runs wild as usual.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:33 am
@Cycloptichorn,

Obama is the current master when it comes to using fear-mongering to get
his way and the dumbmasses fall for his tactics of deception every time Evil or Very Mad
okie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:37 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, Big difference between a) national defense, and b) domestic security. I know you don't know the difference between the two.

Your use of
Quote:
"... explain to us all why his idol, Barack Obama needs ..."
is something he dreamed up in his tiny brain; he hasn't read any of my criticisms about Obama, and nobody is my "idol." His imagination runs wild as usual.

If you now know that Obama lies about some things, how come you trust him for anything?
You were trying to tell me a few posts back to go the Whitehouse.gov for information. Why do that? Would you be dumb enough to believe whats on there?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:41 am
@okie,
Here again, you have arrived at a conclusion not found anyplace in my posts. You are either too stupid to remember, or have a short memory. It was not that long ago that I wrote to the white house (a day or two ago) about Obama's "95% of workers and their families will get a tax break," and told Obama about his dishonesty.

You are one of the dumbest on a2k; can't get anything right!
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Sowell is a conservative black man, thus libs hate him, as do other liberal socialist black politicians. Any conservative black politician or figure deserves double credit these days, as fellow blacks and the entire liberal establishment will try to destroy them.

Sorry, it doesn't work with some of us, cyclops.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:51 am
@okie,
Nobody hates Sowell because he's black; you're missing why Cyclo has challenged Sowell's fear-mongering. That you have to bring race into his challenge shows that you have no retort. Your imagination is again a run-away from the topic being discussed.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:54 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Sowell is a conservative black man, thus libs hate him, as do other liberal socialist black politicians. Any conservative black politician or figure deserves double credit these days, as fellow blacks and the entire liberal establishment will try to destroy them.

Sorry, it doesn't work with some of us, cyclops.


Uh, okay. I don't know how to respond to this.

Cycloptichorn
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 09:54 am
@H2O MAN,
Clearly one of those well educated Republicans.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:14 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

Clearly one of those well educated Republicans.


I'm not a Republican and I'm not a member of the dumbmasses either.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:15 am
@Foxfyre,
I'm glad to see you act like a MAC Fox and attack me personally instead of dealing with what I said.

If you feel I rewrote then kindly point it out. Simply accusing me of missing the point or rewriting without pointing out seems to be your only response Fox. You can't argue the points I make it seems so just turn to attacking me personally.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:25 am
@parados,



"MAC Fox": a meaningless term used by folks suffering from Liberaltardation.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:27 am
@parados,
parados wrote:

I'm glad to see you act like a MAC Fox and attack me personally instead of dealing with what I said.

If you feel I rewrote then kindly point it out. Simply accusing me of missing the point or rewriting without pointing out seems to be your only response Fox. You can't argue the points I make it seems so just turn to attacking me personally.


I didn't attack you personally. I said that you misstated and/or rewrote what Sowell said. That IS arguing the point that you made--you made a different point than what he said.
wandeljw
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:42 am
Quote:
Deepening crazihood at the National Review
(BERNIE LATHAM, Brittle Hymn of the Republic Blog, June 23, 2009)

Anyone who has been attending over the years to this Chris Buckley-founded conservative enterprise is bound to be a tad disconcerted at how bizarre, indeed how loony it has become.

Last Saturday, Victor David Hanson wrote a column packed with the usual warped and exaggerated (and false) claims regarding “postmodernism” in universities and how it informs liberal notions. I heartily recommend that you read it as it’s a classic example of the genre. And then, there’s the final graph…
"In that vein, Obama is almost more at ease with virulent anti-Westerners, whose grievances Obama has long studied (and perhaps in large part entertained), and whose estrangement alone offers opportunity for Obama’s sophisticated multicultural insight and singular narcissistic magnanimity."

Yesterday, we find Andy McCarthy explaining the reality he perceives…
"The fact is that, as a man of the hard Left, Obama is more comfortable with a totalitarian Islamic regime than he would be with a free Iranian society. In this he is no different from his allies like the Congressional Black Caucus and Bill Ayers, who have shown themselves perfectly comfortable with Castro and Chàvez…
It would have been political suicide to issue a statement supportive of the mullahs, so Obama’s instinct was to do the next best thing: to say nothing supportive of the freedom fighters…"


Do these people actually believe what they write? It’s a tad boggling to think they might but these passages above aren’t unsual for those writers except in the degree of extremism and detachment from reality. I suppose we ought to temper, somewhat, our dismay acknowledging that the NR is now most fundamentally a propagandist endeavor which has the goals of furthering Republican electoral opportunities and diminishing Democratic power. Lies and exaggerations and quarter-truths aren’t problematic for a propagandist, they are the tools of the trade.

But the problem these folks have is that the last eight years have pretty much decapitated their credibility with anyone except for a small coterie of diehard ideologues and the excited-by-paranoid-fantasies constituency that they have helped to create and foster. As their power and influence decreases, they are doing that thing that not-so-smart travelers in a foreign land often do when their language is not understood " repeat the same words but way louder and with more extreme gestures. Of course, the further you head in this direction, the more likely it is you are going to look like (and become) that wide-eyed lunatic in the park screaming about commies or parasitic aliens in your brain.

Which brings us to Thomas Sowell. Here’s what he is eager to alert us to this morning…
"Just two nuclear bombs were enough to get Japan to surrender in World War II. It is hard to believe that it would take much more than that for the United States of America to surrender " especially with people in control of both the White House and the Congress who were for turning tail and running in Iraq just a couple of years ago.
Perhaps people who are busy gushing over the Obama cult today might do well to stop and think about what it would mean for their granddaughters to live under sharia law."


In what sort of mental universe, one wonders, does this man reside?

Perhaps the most frightening prospect for the truly paranoid individual is that others will perceive that he or she is a truly paranoid individual. Sowell, McCarthy, Hanson and a few others over at the National Review are clearly in a state of fright these days.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:49 am
It's conservativegression, the regressive politics of Bush and his cronies, although it's really DICK Cheney and his cronies (oh, wait, D. Cheney just decided that gay marriage was okay in his book -- funny how when things hit closed minded conservative where it hurts, they change their stance).
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:50 am
@wandeljw,
While I like him personally and have enjoyed his perspective at times, Bernie Latham I think never met a liberal idea he didn't like and he never encountered a conservative idea that he would even tolerate, much less embrace. I don't recall a time when he made any attempt to consider any such concept in its correct or intended context.

But, though I see it differently than him, I do agree that it is getting looney out there:

Consider this:

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. . . . Things are upside down. In the U.S., capitalism and markets are criticized and government is perceived as the solution. In Europe, as Washington Post columnist Anne Applebaum was surprised to find,

"We've been waiting and waiting, but the widely predicted European backlash - against capitalism, against free markets, against the right - has not come. There are no demands for Marxist revolution, no calls for nationalization of industry, not even a European campaign for what the Obama administration calls "stimulus" -- a policy more colloquially known as "massive government spending."

Of course, in the U.S. the more conservative party has a problem that those in Europe did not. It was the Republican Congress that began the massive multi-trillion dollar give-away called the stimulus and then presided over the unprecedented expansion of the money base. President Bush not only overrode Congress to begin the auto bailout but he appeared recently in Erie Pennsylvania to congratulate himself for being the inspiration for the Obama stimulus and monetary policies, which he surely was. Moreover, he became the largest domestic spending president of recent times " Democrat or Republican " well before the financial crisis, which did begin on his watch, of course.

As long as the Democrats can arrange speaking engagements for Mr. Bush, it will be exceedingly difficult for the GOP to repeat the success of their compatriots in Europe. On the other hand, the media adore President Obama so much that they keep giving the current president rather than his much disliked predecessor all the “credit” for the great-sounding economic and social programs. Perhaps on Election Day 2010 Americans will give President Obama the “credit,” surprising his legislators with the same reception the European voters gave their politicians this year.
http://acuf.org/issues/issue134/090620news.asp
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:53 am
@wandeljw,


BERNIE LATHAM HATES OBAMA!
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:56 am
@Foxfyre,
Let me quote you Fox.....

Foxfyre wrote:
But I can forcus on the point of the content and forgive an inadvertent error. I wonder if ideological liberals and numbnuts can do that?. Or do most completely miss the point of the content or rewrite it as Parados just did?


It certainly looks to me like you intent was to attack me personally by naming me when talking about "numbnuts". Feel free to defend yourself but your statement quite clearly is intended to put me in that group.

As to what Sowell said that I made a different point on, feel free to quote me AND Sowell and contrast my statement with his. That would be the proper way to make the argument.

In Wandell's piece that follows it seems, I am not the only one to take issue with his statement. Perhaps you can explain his statement to the rest of us Fox while you are explaining your own statement.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 10:59 am
@parados,
Or I could have been referring to you as an ideological liberal which, if I recall you correctly, has been the way you have described yourself. That you see yourself as a numbnut is your problem, not mine.

My definition of numbnut, just to be sure we are clear about that:

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Oh and my definition of 'numbnut':

1) Thinks personal insults, ad hominem, or clever 'put downs' is valid debate and makes them look smart, intelligent, credible, and/or funny.

2) Frequently disrupts the flow of conversation with non sequiturs, straw men, and irrelevant information.

3) Spams the thread with multiple copy and pastes from highly biased sources that are as often as not unsourced and unlinked.

4) Refuses to articulate their rationale for their point of view but take every opportunity to discredit or dispute whatever anybody says that they don't agree with.

And yes, we have numbnuts from both the left and right.


 

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