AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

;:"Agreed however that the 'foreign alliances' is the most sticky wicket on the list. While our Founders were most leery of such alliances, it would be extremely difficult for us to participate in a global economy or to stave off aggressive tyranny wherever it exists without some cooperation between friendly nations. So that one would need some work."

What is most notable about the Sotomayor nomination is its almost perfect predictability. Somehow we all simply know -- like it or not -- that Hispanics are now overdue for the gravitas of high office. And our new post-racialist president is especially attuned to this chance to have a "first" under his belt, not to mention the chance to further secure the Hispanic vote. And yet it was precisely the American longing for post-racialism -- relief from this sort of racial calculating -- that lifted Mr. Obama into office.

I doubt Limbaugh has ever compared Obama to Hitler however. Do you have any evidence for that or have you been getting your information from radical leftwing juvenile blogs again?

Responding to Old Europe, Foxfyre wrote:

I defy you to show where Okie has ever compared Obama to Hitler.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Here is one post where he compares Obama to Hitler:

okie wrote:

Actually, what we are seeing right now in America, with Obama criticizing greed and placing greater control of government in commerce, is that left or right, George? Clearly, Obama is a liberal, he is left, probably the most leftwing president we have ever had. Is he a communist? He certainly claims he isn't. Is he a socialist, probably, but he doesn't claim to be. For comparison purposes, I am not comparing Obama to Hitler to say he is a madman, I don't think he is, but I see alot of similarity between Obama's leftist policies and the policies of Hitler in the 30's. People will jump on me here for comparing Obama to Hitler, for them I would say don't get excited, what I am doing here is comparing policies, economic policy, social programs, relationship with unions, business, volunteerism, and many other things, I am comparing these things to provide evidence for my assertion that Hitler was a leftist, just as Obama is clearly a leftist.

http://able2know.org/topic/66117-8#post-3670358

Re: okie (Post 3628144)
If Obama was in fact a Marxist, it would at least explain one thing. It would explain why he is trying to bankrupt the country, so he can institute his own system. After all, what logical reason can anyone else come up with to explain his bizarre and outlandish proposals to spend us into oblivion?

Okie wrote on April 17:

As a matter of note, Foxfyre, I've been reading Hitler's Mein Kampf, and the 25 points of the Nazi Party, and the main difference I see between Hitler and Marx, is that Hitler hated Jews and he thougtht the Marxists were accomplishing things, only to have the Jews rule the world or some such imagination. Hitler was a confused man, and so are his writings, and after reading it, I wonder how could anyone believe in this guy, let alone an entire country?

At any rate, it is clear when you read the doctrine, the "Folk State" that Hitler wanted and talked about endlessly, means the "Peoples State." And the State was to rule supreme, a strong central government, from the top down, all for the "common good," as ensured by the central authority. Newspapers transgressing the common welfare was to be suppressed, property and profits could be confiscated for the common good, and so on. It was clearly a socialistic state, as ensured by a strong central authority, not much different than what you see today, in communist states or very socialistic states.

Actually, it is eerie to read some of this stuff, because it sounds eerily similar to tactics used now by the left. One of Hitler's basic approaches was - do not become bogged down in details, simply outline broad principles with sloganeering, etc., with broad appeal, to obtain a wide following among the masses. Hide the details and don't even give out the details to people that don't need to know them. He despised endless political debate and wrangling over the details.

Interesting how its like pulling hens teeth to get any details of Obama's policies until he actually does them. All we had were slogans and broad plans. Note here to all the libs, I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, but I am comparing the leftist tactics to leftist tactics used in history, and there is absolutely no doubt after reading more of this stuff, it reinforces the fact that Hitler was a leftist, at least in context with modern American politics.

Debra Law wrote:

Responding to Old Europe, Foxfyre wrote:

I defy you to show where Okie has ever compared Obama to Hitler.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Here is one post where he compares Obama to Hitler:

okie wrote:

Actually, what we are seeing right now in America, with Obama criticizing greed and placing greater control of government in commerce, is that left or right, George? Clearly, Obama is a liberal, he is left, probably the most leftwing president we have ever had. Is he a communist? He certainly claims he isn't. Is he a socialist, probably, but he doesn't claim to be. For comparison purposes, I am not comparing Obama to Hitler to say he is a madman, I don't think he is, but I see alot of similarity between Obama's leftist policies and the policies of Hitler in the 30's. People will jump on me here for comparing Obama to Hitler, for them I would say don't get excited, what I am doing here is comparing policies, economic policy, social programs, relationship with unions, business, volunteerism, and many other things, I am comparing these things to provide evidence for my assertion that Hitler was a leftist, just as Obama is clearly a leftist.

http://able2know.org/topic/66117-8#post-3670358

Apparently you didn't read the post, Debra. I compared Obama's policies to Hitler's policies, I made the point that I was not comparing Obama as a person to that of Hitler. If you have read the many posts about Hitler, the obvious reason Hitler is discussed and referenced is the discussion of socialism, fascism, and left vs right. All of this debate is highly instructive if you have a desire to examine the subjects addressed here.

It is my firm belief that the extreme leftist mindset presents by far the most dangerous fertile ground to produce another ruthless dictator.

For anyone that reads my posts about Hitler and Obama, I think it is pretty clear what I mean. I am comparing some of the policies and political maneuvering by Hitler to that of leftists, and to what we see today. But I am very careful and clear that I am not comparing Obama to Hitler in terms of cruelty or deranged mindset. . . .

okie wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

Responding to Old Europe, Foxfyre wrote:

I defy you to show where Okie has ever compared Obama to Hitler.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD! Here is one post where he compares Obama to Hitler:

okie wrote:

Actually, what we are seeing right now in America, with Obama criticizing greed and placing greater control of government in commerce, is that left or right, George? Clearly, Obama is a liberal, he is left, probably the most leftwing president we have ever had. Is he a communist? He certainly claims he isn't. Is he a socialist, probably, but he doesn't claim to be. For comparison purposes, I am not comparing Obama to Hitler to say he is a madman, I don't think he is, but I see alot of similarity between Obama's leftist policies and the policies of Hitler in the 30's. People will jump on me here for comparing Obama to Hitler, for them I would say don't get excited, what I am doing here is comparing policies, economic policy, social programs, relationship with unions, business, volunteerism, and many other things, I am comparing these things to provide evidence for my assertion that Hitler was a leftist, just as Obama is clearly a leftist.

http://able2know.org/topic/66117-8#post-3670358

Apparently you didn't read the post, Debra. I compared Obama's policies to Hitler's policies, I made the point that I was not comparing Obama as a person to that of Hitler. If you have read the many posts about Hitler, the obvious reason Hitler is discussed and referenced is the discussion of socialism, fascism, and left vs right. All of this debate is highly instructive if you have a desire to examine the subjects addressed here.

I did read the post, okie. You may not escape scrutiny by claiming that I didn't understand what I read.

Also, no matter how much you tap dance, you may not escape the clear meaning of the word "compare."

In your post, you represented what you believe to be the similarities of two men, Obama and Hitler, who rose to the positions of powerful national leaders. Based on your perceived representation of similarities, you concluded that "that Hitler was a leftist, just as Obama is clearly a leftist." In your opening post, you identified Hitler as a ruthless dictator.

Now return to your original thesis in your opening post in the thread, "What produces RUTHLESS DICTATORS":

okie wrote:

It is my firm belief that the extreme leftist mindset presents by far the most dangerous fertile ground to produce another ruthless dictator.

You are trying to identify men whom you believe to have similar policies, i.e., "leftist mindset," in order to determine who may become another ruthless dictator. With respect to Obama, you said, "I don't trust him at all."

Accordingly, you are making an extremely disingenuous claim when you allege that you are not comparing Obama and Hitler as persons. You are in fact comparing them as persons, i.e. powerful national leaders, whom you believe have similar policies and leftist mindsets.

The reason this is so offensive to liberals is their fairly successful effort to date to cast in concrete the perception that Hitler was a right wing extremist, implying of course that right wing extremists are the real threats to the world, so anyone arguing otherwise is to be attacked viciously by most liberal posters here.

It's all just a conspiracy theory by millions of people.