@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:QUESTION FOR ANYBODY:
If a third party emulating MAC virtues/principles could be raised up--maybe something akin to Ross Perot's group prior to and during the Clinton years--would you be interested? There are a few being tentatively promoted out there.
For instance here is the basic core principles of the "Constitution Party". Would something like this or something along these lines--maybe without the religious overtones--be appealing to you? If you could be convinced such a group was viable would you consider it?
Quote:Seven Principles of the Constitution Party are:
1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people;
7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
In general, I am skeptical of raising up a new party. I instinctively believe that the reshaping and revitalizing an existing party is more workable, and more likely to succeed. This is based upon about 60 years of being aware of or watching parties and political views evolve. I realize nothing is impossible, there is always something new that could happen, but this is my opinion as it is. At the time of Goldwater, I saw him lose so badly, I really did not believe that Reagan would have a chance, so I was proven wrong there, and basically it was Reagan that accomplished that. Again, I think we need the right personality, the right leader, more than we need a new party. To be accurate, I think Reagan accomplished alot, but he did not accomplish alot of what some of us wanted, such as more fiscal responsibility. Alot of what we are fighting now is bureaucratic inertia, entitlements and peoples expectations of government, it is so ingrained that to turn this around looks like an almost impossible task. It will take an inspirational leader more than a new party in my opinion, if it is possible at all.
Now I will look at the specific points:
Quote:1. Life: For all human beings, from conception to natural death;
As some have said, changing hearts here is what needs doing more than changing the law, and I see some movement here. I do think Roe v Wade is a terrible decision, not constitutionally based. Policy in regard to this cannot be changed cold turkey. From conception would be a tough item to sell. Much more practical to go with a baby able to survive outside the womb. Not as idealogically concrete, but more practical.
Quote:2. Liberty: Freedom of conscience and actions for the self-governed individual;
Sounds good, but the freedom of conscience, what about people that claim abortion only pertains to their conscience, or murder, or robbery. I don't see the need to add to the constitution as it exists now? Maybe I'm missing something here?
Quote:3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;
I see this more as an unwritten understanding from our foundational beliefs. I don't see the wisdom of spelling this out. The family as described is an ideal, a goal, but even though we may not wish to institutionalize homosexual marriage, we do not want to exclude the people that don't fit the ideal mold. Society is an imperfect collection of people, and we have ideals, but those do not have to be spelled out as a requirement for a political party. Just my opinion.
Quote:4. Property: Each individual's right to own and steward personal property without government burden;
I think all parties should believe in private property already, that is a given, and without government burden? What about property tax? I don't think that flies.
Quote:5. Constitution: and Bill of Rights interpreted according to the actual intent of the Founding Fathers;
Even the Democrats think they are doing that, so I don't see the point, it really doesn't define anything, it doesn't clear any disagreement up at all. I don't think it should even be necessary to say you believe in this, that should be a given.
Quote:6. States' Rights: Everything not specifically delegated by the Constitution to the federal government, nor prohibited by the Constitution to the states, is reserved to the states or to the people;
Again, already specified by the constitution, and should already be understood. The main problem we have now is a disagreement of how it should be applied, which would still be the case, with or without this as part of the party platform.
Quote:7. American Sovereignty: American government committed to the protection of the borders, trade, and common defense of Americans, and not entangled in foreign alliances.
Again, another given, that most people probably believe in, in principle, but practically in regard to foreign alliances, almost everyone thinks we need to be involved in certain ways in foreign matters, simply by virtue of the fact that we are a very powerful country living in a world community. Therefore, we have to be involved to some extent. Trade, this is a world economy, we must participate. Borders, as a nation, we obviously should recognize them and protect them. That should be a given. On balance, I think these issues must be addressed in specific ways during a campaign, rather than written in the permanent bylaws or whatever, of a party.
In conclusion, I am not all that jazzed by the 7 points, although I probably support the general idea of them, but I am not particularly in favor of making these points part of the basic foundation of a party.