AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

And you discovered this how genoves?

What evidence do you have other than the voices in your head that Obama was on the board of ACORN? You should really get help genoves? Those voices are telling you things that aren't even close to reality.

Obama was on the Board of Directors of the Chicago Woods Fund. He was not on the board of ACORN.

Arguing with the Possum? What an incredible waste of time.

He's got ya there, Parados . . . you're wrestling with a pig . . .

parados, You must be the angel of patience; I've put genoves on Ignore a long time ago. His reality is nowhere nears human.

I would have thought he expired long ago from the air on Mars.

How else to I get to see 15 ignored posts in a row if I don't poke the pig now and again?

Steele: Obama wasn't vetted because he's black




When the GOP "vetted" Steele to be the chairman of their national party, didn't they notice the straw sticking out of his head? Steele talks a lot of nonsense. Reminds me of this:

Scarecrow: I haven't got a brain... only straw.

Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?

Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?

Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.

A CONSERVATIVE LESSON IN CLASS AND DIGNITY

In his recent speech, Steele said the Republicans will take on Obama with class and dignity, unlike the shabby and classless way the Democrats took on Bush. According to the conservative Orwellian doublespeak manual, it is the epitome of class and dignity for the RNC chairman to allege that our Democrat president, who was placed under the public microscope for more than two years prior to the election, wasn't vetted because of the color of his skin.

That's real funny! Many conservatives were saying Obama can't be president, because he wasn't born in the US. Bunch of bigots don't know their own idiocy.

well, Joe from Chicago, the reason you never tried to rebut me is that I don't have a law degree but I still know more about law than you do. Why don't you admit it. If you and the left wing morons are so brilliant, you should be able to show how inaccurate and ignorant I am. That you cannot do so.like a group of chimpanzees who cannot tolerate other opinions, you groom each other and chatter--yes, Cheney bob...Obuma good...Right wing..bad. Socialism ...good, just like the Pigs in Animal Farm.

Well. Joe, I know that you barely graduated from a TTT, Marshall Law School, which accepts low IQ Whites, gangbanger Blacks and marginal Latinos.

Admit it, Joe, you are still smarting from when I showed how ignorant you are!

Well, Parados. You finally got the courage to go mano a mano with me.

Let's see.

You say that Obama was on the Board of Directors of the Chicago Woods fund.

Yes, correct!

Do you know about the Chicago Woods Fund--Parados?

If you are able to read the following( I think your strength may be math but you certainly don't seem to be able to analyze anything longer than two paragraphs, you will find out exactly how, BO helped ACORN, which, it has been found, stole thousands of votes by concentrating on low IQ African-Americans(there are millions of those) and marginal Hispanics( Millions of those too).

Here is the evidence Parados--It is your job, if you are smart enough, to show that the key sections are either in error or completely untrue--

During Obama’s time on the Woods Funds ACORN received grants of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), and $40,000 (2002) from the Woods Fund. (Obama in the early 1990’s helped train ACORN organizers and later served as counsel in 1995 for ACORN in a “motor voter” registration lawsuit.) And ACORN certainly appreciated whatever assistance Obama afforded the radical organization over the years.

Here is the article it came from-Parados.


Obama and the Woods Fund

As a board member, Obama helped scratch a lot of backs with grants to politically connected groups.

September 13, 2008 - by Jennifer Rubin <- Prev Page 2 of 2
Also serving on the Woods Fund at the time was Palestinian activist and now professor at Columbia University Rashid Khalidi, whose wife headed AAAN. The Woods Fund granted AAAN $40,000 in 2001 and $70,000 in 2002. As Salon magazine wrote, this was “nepotism, Chicago style.”

Khalidi, a former spokesman for Yasser Arafat, held a fundraiser for Obama in 2000 during his unsuccessful bid for Congress. In 2003, during a dinner honoring Khalidi for becoming the Edward Said Professor of Arab Studies at Columbia, Obama warmly praised his friend, reminiscing about the many meals cooked for him by Khalidi’s wife Mona and of the discussions he and Khalidi held that were “consistent reminders to me of my own blind spots and my own biases. … It’s for that reason that I’m hoping that, for many years to come, we continue that conversation " a conversation that is necessary not just around Mona and Rashid’s dinner table,” but around “this entire world.”

The pattern of funneling money to political allies and their allies is evident throughout Obama’s tenure at the Woods Fund. Tens and tens of thousands of dollars were granted to organizations including the Brighton Park Neighborhood Council, Business and Professional People for the Public Interest (BPPPI), the Center for Neighborhood Technology, Centers for New Horizons, the Chicago Jobs Council, the Chicago Education Fund, the Chicago Institute on Urban Poverty, the Chicago Urban League, The Gamaliel Foundation. Dozens of the board members and officials from these organizations in turn would donate money, in many instances up to the legal limit, for Obama’s Senate and Presidential races between 2004 and 2008.

For example the Woods Fund between 1999 and 2002 granted $60,000 to BPPPI. Board member and executives donated at least $16,950 to Obama’s political campaigns. The Woods Fund granted the Center of Neighborhood Technology $150,000 between 1999 and 2002. Obama received over $24,000 in campaign donations from its officials. And in turn Obama made sure to seek earmarks on their behalf once he reached the U.S. Senate.

A similar pattern of mutual financial help existed with regard to many of these organizations. While there is no evidence of an explicit quid pro quo, what is apparent is that the seeds of long term relationships and a network of financial support were sewn while Obama was a Woods board member.

Obama’s tenure with the Woods Fund is perhaps most noteworthy for his association with former terrorist Bill Ayers. Ayers served on the Woods board for three years of Obama’s tenure and remained on the board after Obama departed. Hillary Clinton raised this issue earlier this year at the Philadelphia debate when Obama, as he has done throughout the campaign, tried to minimize his relationship with Ayers.

That exchange was set off with a question asking Obama to explain his relationship with Ayers:

OBAMA: This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense, George.

The fact is that I’m also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who, during his campaign, once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.

Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn’s statements? Because I certainly don’t agree with those, either.

So this kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me, I think the American people are smarter than that. They’re not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn’t.

CLINTON: Well, I think that is a fair general statement, but I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation, which was a paid directorship position.

And, if I’m not mistaken, that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11 and after his reported comments, which were deeply hurtful to people in New York and, I would hope, to every American, because they were published on 9/11, and he said that he was just sorry they hadn’t done more.

And what they did was set bombs. And in some instances, people died. So it is " I think it is, again, an issue that people will be asking about.

And I have no doubt " I know Senator Obama’s a good man and I respect him greatly, but I think that this is an issue that certainly the Republicans will be raising.

Clinton was right, of course. Ayers also headed the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an educational foundation dedicated to school reform that was funded by an initial $49 million grant from the Annenberg family foundation. (Annenberg recently was in the news when the University of Chicago first sealed the records and then agreed to open them to National Review’s Stanley Kurtz and other reporters seeking to explore that organization’s records.)

The Woods Fund in 1999 granted $50,000 to the Annenberg Challenge " that is one organization on which Obama and Ayers served giving funds to another headed by Ayers and on which Obama also served as chairman for three years beginning in 1995 and then as a board member until 2001.

The Annenberg Challenge has since come under scrutiny " and Obama’s involvement therewith as well " because of criticism that the Annenberg Challenge failed to improve student achievement. The Los Angeles Times termed it a “bust.” A USA Today column in 1998 noted, “Expectations, in fact, may prove to be the biggest stumbling block to the legacy of the Annenberg gift. In some circles, conservatives see snail’s pace-progress among schools benefiting from Annenberg’s largesse and use it as a public school parable: Give big money to public schools and it will be absorbed into the bureaucracy with little benefit.” As Education Week put it, “It was ultimately unsuccessful in raising student achievement, according to evaluations of the project.”

Another recipient of the Woods Fund largesse was the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), an organization infamous for its left wing agenda. Stanley Kurtz who has researched ACORN’s far-left agenda described its “in your face tactics”:

Just think of Code Pink’s well-known operations (threatening to occupy congressional offices, interrupting the testimony of General David Petraeus) and you’ll get the idea. Acorn protesters have disrupted Federal Reserve hearings, but mostly deploy their aggressive tactics locally. Chicago is home to one of its strongest chapters, and Acorn has burst into a closed city council meeting there. Acorn protestors in Baltimore disrupted a bankers’ dinner and sent four busloads of profanity-screaming protestors against the mayor’s home, terrifying his wife and kids. Even a Baltimore city council member who generally supports Acorn said their intimidation tactics had crossed the line.

During Obama’s time on the Woods Funds ACORN received grants of $45,000 (2000), $30,000 (2001), $45,000 (2001), $30,000 (2002), and $40,000 (2002) from the Woods Fund. (Obama in the early 1990’s helped train ACORN organizers and later served as counsel in 1995 for ACORN in a “motor voter” registration lawsuit.) And ACORN certainly appreciated whatever assistance Obama afforded the radical organization over the years.

Founder Toni Foulkes enthusiastically backed Obama’s U.S. Senate run in 2004, declaring: “ACORN is active in experimenting with methods of increasing voter participation in our low and moderate income communities to virtually every election. But in some elections we get to have our cake and eat it too: work on nonpartisan voter registration and GOTV, which also turns out to benefit the candidate we hold dear [Obama].”

In short, no less than six years ago Obama served along side Ayers as a board member on an organization happy to pass out funds to radical left wing and anti-Israel groups. Moreover, the monies doled out through the Woods Fund to these groups, including Ayers own Annenberg Challenge, helped cement Obama’s political relationships and bond with key players in Chicago. None of this matches his current self-portrait of a politically moderate reformer. But like so much of Obama, that was then and this is now.

Now, I doubt that you will even begin to try to rebut the evidence I gave you, parados.

I am going to try to go back into able to know to show exactly why and how, you, Jag from Chicago, Cicerone Imposter from the California concentration camps and the senile Setanti run when you see my posts. You are unable to rebut my arguments.

But, continue your cimpanzee ways. Agree with each other-"Oh, yes, he was a baddddd administrator!!

The right wing fascists have taken hold!!!

The chimpanzees chatter without any fear of disagreement while they groom each other.

In the past, the record will show, I eviscerated all of you with my arguments.

I will continue to post even if there is only one person to read what I write.

And, you, Parados, and Jag from Chicago, Cicerione Imposter, whose brains were affected during his time in the California Concentration Camps, and the senile Setanta, unless you are totally disconnected from reality, will have to consider whether or not you are just afraid of me!


But don't have the guts to take on opposing arguments which, in the past, have,

Some people are advocating shutting down Gitmo and transfering its prisoners to American maximum security prisons, in order to get them jury trials. The fact they were captured in war, and not distinguishable by uniform from the civilians they were murdering, is considered irrelevant by these people. You see if they are not resident American terrorists, they are not legally entitled to jury trials. But if they are residents in prisons within the USA, then they are American resident terrorists and are legally entitled to jury trials.

The actual miltary captors of the Gitmo prisoners may now no longer remember them or be available to testify to the murders--actual, attempted, or threatened--perpetrated by the Gitmo prisoners. War is indeed hell!

Conservative radio talk show host Mancow agreed to be waterboarded because he didn't think it was torture. Unable to endure more than 6 seconds, he changed his mind.

"It is way worse than I thought it would be," he said.

See Olbermann segment: A taste of torture
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#30894398

Other Links:

Conservative Radio Host Mancow vs Waterboard: H2 Oh, Lord, Please Stop

Mancow gets waterboarded

Conservative Radio Host say it's torture

And your evidence of your original statement is what?

I had no problem reading it. Too bad it made absolutely NO SENSE and provided nothing to back up your original claim that Obama was on the board of ACORN.
You sir, are a complete idiot. You make statements and then change the subject instead of providing any support for your statements.

I just wanted to make it clear to any new people reading this thread why we ignore you.

You claimed Obama was on the board of ACORN.
You provided no evidence of that.
You are an idiot for making claims repeatedly that you can't support.
We don't argue with you because you never will provide support.
You are an idiot and should be ignored by everyone.

(My rant. Good luck with yours.)
I am curious why you only post late at night. Is that the time you can sneak into the nurses station to use their (notice the CORRECT spelling) computer? Don't let Nurse Ratchet catch you.

By the way, if anyone can point to exactly where genoves provides a valid source to back up his claim about Obama being on the board of ACORN, I will gladly pay them $1000.00


No one is going to collect genoves.... EVER....

Question: Has Steele been properly vetted? Remind me again. He is black, isn't he?

Obama was never of the board of Acorn -- someone is drinking too much. I suggest phoning AA and getting some help.

I'm not sure why all you guys want to continue amusing genoves with his BS, lies, and innuendos when he never provides evidence for anything he posts on a2k. Putting him on Ignore might get rid of him.

Nah, he's been kicked off repeatedly for violations of TOS under his various aliases. Just a question of time until he gets booted again. A persistent troll, but a troll nevertheless, and he'll get sent to Trollheim again.