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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 09:41 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
I don't see that those two incidents are anywhere near comparable. Natalie Maine publicly denigrated a person. She intended to be hateful. Miss California did not. I am unaware of any concentrated effort to smear or dig up dirt on or attempt to hurt the career of Natalie Maines, but if there was that would have been just as wrong. I have no problem with those who thought she was way out of line and chose not to buy her records or chose to burn her records or chose not to book her concerts. I would have no problem with anybody who chose not to hire Miss California or attend an event where she was or any other personal protest. But to attempt to smear her or dig up dirt on her or to hurt her career--to destroy her--is wrong.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 10:41 pm
@Foxfyre,
We all have our subjective opinions about where and what free speech is all about, but the simple truth is there are people for and against most issues. That's life.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2009 11:44 pm
http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/coletoon_-__obama_st(3)20090513092948.jpg
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 12:27 am
@Foxfyre,
Great Cartoon- Foxfyre . Please keep them coming!
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genoves
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 12:41 am
Cicerone Imposter says that we all have SUBJECTIVE ideas of what Free Speech is. As usual, the highly confused Cicerone Imposter is WRONG.

Note:

The free speech/press guarantee restricts only government action,NOT action by private employers, property owners, householders, churches, universities and the like.

The Free Speech/press guarantee applies equally to federal and state governments.

The Free Speech and the free press clauses give essentially equal protection to speakers and writers.

The Free Speech/Press guarantee extends to all viewpoints/ good or evil

But there are a small set of narrow exceptions--

Incitement--to persuade people to engage in unlawful conduct or to cause imminent unlawful conduct

Obscenity

Child Pornography

Threats

Fighting words

**********************

Cicerone Imposter appears to be ignorant of the facts.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 08:15 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:
what?? oh, crap! i didn't get the memo, i thought we're all supposed to be bozos..

Go ahead, squeeze the wheeze!
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wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 09:54 am
Quote:
Two Mewls for Sister Sarah
(James Wolcott, Vanity Fair Blog, May 11, 2009)

It's a symptom of how forlorn and grasping for a foothold the right blogosphere has become that it can raise a flutter over this flap of doodle, yet another repentant confession by a former lefty who now sees the tragic error of his (in this case, her) ways. All the standard ho-hum ironies of the apostate genre are here, such as the discovery that liberals, who make such a big fetish of preaching tolerance, are in fact the most intolerant of all! "My local greeting card store sold very flattering cards about Obama, insulting ones about Hillary, and a Hillary 'nutcracker.' When I complained, the young male manager literally laughed in my face." Literally! Like Lucifer!

Such mockery and disrespect was but prelude.

"Things went from bad to worse when Sarah Palin entered the scene. When Geraldine Ferraro ran for Vice President, there was no debasement of her character, no sexual threats. But with Palin, a full scale "wilding" ensued that chillingly reminded me of the random sexual attacks on women by gangs of men in New York. She was called every vile name in the book by both male and female liberals.

Actress Sarah Bernhardt hoped a gang of black males would rape her..."


Wait, whoa, Sarah Bernhardt, "The Divine Sarah," the greatest actress of her era, portrayed on screen by the equally formidable Glenda Jackson--she rose from her coffin bed and interjected herself into the Palin debate? Shurely shome misthake, as they say in Private Eye. The pseudonymous "Robin" must have been thinking of Sandra Bernhard, whose uninhibited mouth and willowy swagger has gotten her into many a controversial scrape but in person couldn't be more charming, at least in our one exchange of pleasantries.

Sarah Bernhardt, Sandra Bernhard--it's a mixup anyone might make, yet everything else in this piece is so creaky, dubious, and carpeted with hyperbolic horse manure ("with the Left in charge, expect gangs, crime, indoctrination of 5 year olds and general anarchy to be coming soon to a neighborhood near you") that if I were a conservative, this is one defector I would turn away from the clubhouse door. There's more than a faint whiff of the fraudulent in this too-pat litany of liberal sins by someone who refuses to use her real name for fear of retribution from those near and undear: "My husband of 30 years is a far Left, Obama loving man, who already feels like he's living with the she-devil. The one friend I told already threw me under the bus, and all of my others would literally do the same. I work in a career where I would literally lose all of my clients (no kidding here). Berkeley is very fascistic."

"Literally," "literally," "literally"--it's like attending the recital of a self-taught parrot.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 10:03 am
@wandeljw,
Wandel's source wrote:
Berkeley is very fascistic.


This is one of the most hilarious aspects of this recent election. Reactionaries and other varieties of Republicans are now calling liberals and Democrats fascists and nazis. Them boys crack me up . . .
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 10:13 am
@Setanta,
Turnabout is fair play in politics, but using terminology that I don't believe most of them even understand (like the sixteen-year-old who was just in office) fascism or Nazi. Conservatives are also conservative about how many books they crack open and searching on the Internet is mostly limited to their own radical blogs to plagiarize opinions from someone who might actually know, like Andrew Sullivan. Well, skip that -- he's gay so they their bias might exclude Andrew (unless they vacation in log cabins).
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 10:34 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Letter of Amends from a Recovering Liberal in Berkeley


Yeah. There's not a chance in hell this is a real letter. Here's the tipoff -

Quote:

To my cousin Joe for calling you a traitor when you became an MBA, started holding a real job (as opposed to most of us Berkeley types who are psychotherapists, massage therapists and aromatherapists), and became a conservative, my bad.


It's pretty clear that this person doesn't live in Berkeley and knows little about the place. I do happen to live here. It may blow the minds of you Conservatives, but you should know that Berkeley is no longer an especially liberal place. While there are plenty of older hippies, it's mostly just a suburb of San Fran and the million-dollar average housing values have moderated the place to a great degree.

Cycloptichorn
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 10:47 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Wandel's source wrote:
Berkeley is very fascistic.


This is one of the most hilarious aspects of this recent election. Reactionaries and other varieties of Republicans are now calling liberals and Democrats fascists and nazis. Them boys crack me up . . .


isn't it funny....

when it's paul o'neil, richard clark, scott mcclellan et al, the long knives come out; "ohh, that's just being pissed cause he got FIRED."

but when it's some "ex-lefty" who is so very concerned that she will be burned at the stake by liberals at berkeley (of course. it had to be berkeley.) that she has gone into "ex-lefty witness protection", or a couple of FIRED acorn members griping, it's all true! true, i tell ya!


yeah, they crack me up too. real knee slappers. good grief...
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 10:53 am
One of the problems for their side is a lack of experience being in the minority. Truly. By jumping to accuse the Dems of Fascism, they are blowing their wad way too early. It's a poor argumentation structure.

Cycloptichorn
wandeljw
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 10:55 am
"Letter of Amends from a Recovering Liberal in Berkeley" has gone viral and is hitting conservative blogs everywhere. Posters to these blogs are talking to "Robin" and giving her sympathy as if her letter is genuine. This makes me feel negative about the blogosphere in general.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:11 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Just makes one wonder where all these nut-cases are coming from? It seems once they become die-hard conservatives, something strange happens to their brains, and nothing is left but sawdust.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:18 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Foxfyre, gay marriage has somehow become the new rallying cry or signature issue with liberals. Figure that one out. Anyone that doesn't agree with homosexual behavior is to be hated, marginalized, and thrown under the bus. So much for freedom of speech and opinion these days. That is not liberal America anymore. Behavior is now equal in their minds to color of skin, or whatever. If each and every person does not place their stamp of approval on their chosen lifestyle, we are the bigots. If I disagree with speeding on the highways, I guess I am now a bigot. Actually, the same applies to illegal immigration. We are now bigots if we believe in upholding immigration laws. Just ask O'Bill. And I thought he used to be somewhat conservative on some issues. The whole world has gone bonkers. If anybody can figure out their thinking process, let me know.


You're FREE to spew hate from your mouth anytime you wish. But we're also FREE to criticize you for your hate-mongering. Whether you "agree" with anyone's sexuality doesn't matter. Our government is required to provide everyone with equal protection under the law. That's a constitutional imperative that you ignore while you're beating your "freedom of speech" drum and hypocritically trying to silence those who denouce your hate speech and fight against your mission to enact oppressive laws.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:29 am
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:

You're FREE to spew hate from your mouth anytime you wish. But we're also FREE to criticize you for your hate-mongering. Whether you "agree" with anyone's sexuality doesn't matter. Our government is required to provide everyone with equal protection under the law. That's a constitutional imperative that you ignore while you're beating your "freedom of speech" drum and hypocritically trying to silence those who denouce your hate speech and fight against your mission to enact oppressive laws.

Disagreeing with someones behavior is not hatred, otherwise I would hate virtually everyone, as I do not approve of speeding on the highways either. As to someones sexual proclivity, I do not profess to know fully the components of nature vs nurture, and I doubt you do either, as the scientific evidence is far from conclusive, but in any case I have no hatred for whatever it is. I just don't happen to think homosexual practices are to be encouraged or approved by society. If you think that is hatred, then you have a problem, and I think your opinions about my opinion borders more on hatred than mine.

To equate sexual practices to some kind of civil right is a truly weird and new twist to the new liberal agenda of recent years or decades. And it is I think insulting to truly legitimate civil rights. And granting this situation as a civil right is going to have many unintended and unfortunate consequences.
Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:30 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

Men are created equal, but not behaviors, DTOM. If you can find gay marriage in the constitution, let me know.


Participating in the state-sponsored civil institution of marriage (which serves the compelling state purpose of regulating rights & responsibilitites that arise from relationships) is not an illegal "behavior." The Fourteenth Amendment prohibits states from depriving persons of equal protection under the law. If the state allows you to marry your life partner, then the state must also allow Ellen DeGeneres to marry her life partner. Thus, both you and Ellen and your respective families will be equally protected under the law.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:32 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

One of the problems for their side is a lack of experience being in the minority. Truly. By jumping to accuse the Dems of Fascism, they are blowing their wad way too early. It's a poor argumentation structure.


and that's another thing; wtf goppers? one day the dems are commies, next day fascists. jesus, effin' pick one already, will ya?? Very Happy

you probably heard about this; it seems there's a group at the rnc that wants to "formally rename" the dems as the "democrat socialist party".

now, maybe i'm old fashioned, but isn't it unusual for someone from across the street to say to you, "i know that your kid's name is bob, but i don't like him. he makes me throw up a little. so, i've decided that you need to change his name to ralph."

i mean, forget about being original, have these headless chickens even had a un-childish thought lately?

if they have, they're keeping it to themselves...

here's the text of their very serious resolution;

Quote:
WHEREAS, the American Heritage Dictionary defines socialism as a system of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy; and

WHEREAS, the Democratic Party has outlined their plans to nationalize the banking, financial and healthcare industries; and

WHEREAS, the Democratic Party has proposed massive government bailouts for the mortgage and auto industries; and

WHEREAS, the Democratic Party has passed trillions of dollars in new government spending, all with strings attached in order to control nearly every aspect of American life; and

WHEREAS, the Democratic Party and its leadership have dedicated themselves to a new taxing objective of direct income redistribution which takes additional taxes from one group of people and gives it in direct cash transfers to another group of people who pay no federal income taxes at all; and

WHEREAS, the American people are crying out for truth, honesty and integrity in politics; therefore be it

RESOLVED, that we the members of the Republican National Committee recognize the Democratic Party’s clear and obvious purpose in proposing, passing, and implementing socialist programs through federal legislation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that we the members of the Republican National Committee recognize that the Democratic Party is dedicated to restructuring American society along socialist ideals; and be it further

RESOLVED, that we the members of the Republican National Committee call on the Democratic Party to be truthful and honest with the American people by acknowledging that they have evolved from a party of tax and spend to a party of tax and nationalize and, therefore, should agree to rename themselves the Democrat Socialist Party.

Chief sponsor: Jeff Kent, NCM Washington State

Co-sponsors:
Cathie Adams, NCW TX
Jim Bopp, NCM IN
Donna Cain, NCW OR
De Carlson, NCW NE
Gio Cicione, Chaiman RI
Cindy Costa, NCW SC
Demetra Demonte, NCW IL
Linda Herren, NCW GA
Betti Hill, NCW MT
Ron Kaufman, NCM MA
Peggy Lambert, NCW TN
Willies Lee, Chairman HI
Kim Lehman, NCW IA
Carolyn McLarty, NCW OK
Lilly Nunez, NCW CO
David Norcross, NCM NJ
Randy Pullen, Chairman AZ
Peter Ricketts, NCM NE
Steve Scheffler, NCM IA
Brian Sullivan, NCM MN
Helen Van Etten, NCW KS
Solomon Yue, NCM OR


it is quite odd for them to list this line here; "the American Heritage Dictionary defines socialism as a system of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy "

yet they have no problem with big business owning their party. and who has had the most time in the white house over the last 40 years ?

uh-huh.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:34 am
@Debra Law,
okie loves to mention the Constitution, but forgets one of the major one on "all men are created equal." Discrimination of any type is discrimination against a group of people who has not harmed him or "his" kind, but they want to limit their constitutional rights based on their homophobia. It's more like a heterosexual commits more "crimes" than homosexuals, and the divorce rate among heterosexuals runs over 50%. Why aren't they discriminating against heterosexuals who damage family lifestyles more often? Talk about blind, they have it in spades!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 14 May, 2009 11:36 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
They left the common sense behind with their myopia/blindness and bigotry/homophobia. They don't even know or understand the definition of words they love to use such as "socialism, communism, and even liberlism."

Since they love to use the word "fascism" now, here's a good definition of the Bush presidency:

Quote:
a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)


They all believed they were above both domestic and international laws (such as torture and privacy).

 

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