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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Are you agreeing with me then Walter? A judge can set aside a jury veridct if he rules that the jury was acting on emotion rather than evidence or if he considered a jury assessed penalty to be too lenient or too severe.

But that is a different subject than whether a judge should be selected because of his empathy for a specific race, ethnicity, gender, or other group.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:48 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

What the conservatives are demanding now is that Obama select a republican for the supreme court. That's also ridiculous on the face of it, but the conservatives have lost it all, and they just can't live with that! They are now the No Party, and the conservatives are destroying their own party.

Most people with common sense believe our country needs a strong two party system, but what can we do when they are out to destroy themselves? Can't they see it?


the conservatives... bitch, bitch, bitch. and they wonder "why are people leaving the party??". couldn't possibly be because the republican party has caved and all that's left is a party of crazed religious zealots, secessionists (georgia having joined in the fun now) and white folks that cannot bear the thought of paying their taxes.

in other words, here's the new emblem of the g.o.p.

  http://www.civilwarhome.com/images/confederateseal.gif

"god will vindicate". yeah. right...

--

and i agree with you about this, ci. when the goppers make a big todo about a pizza party to launch "the new GOP"....

they send a Bush, Mitt Romney and Eric Cantor???

"here's the new boss, same as the old boss".
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:50 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Okay you got in your daily bitch about Republicans and conservatives. Those are noted.

What do you think about Thomas Sowell's opinion re the kind of Supreme Court justices that should or should not be appointed?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:51 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Unfortunately, many people see their leaders as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Sarah Palin. They shot for the moon, and got shot on their own foot.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:55 am
@Foxfyre,
Thomas Sowell's opinion on who Obama should nominate is worth .02c. Obama will select someone by due diligence as he's done with most of the people he's selected for his administration - based solely on ability.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:58 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Okay you got in your daily bitch about Republicans and conservatives. Those are noted.

What do you think about Thomas Sowell's opinion re the kind of Supreme Court justices that should or should not be appointed?


"my daily bitch", huh ? uh-huh.. noted.

now, here's what i want to know. out of the people who have already carped about the, as yet, unnamed, unspecified nominee for the scotus, why have you focused on thomas sowell's opinion ?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 10:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Thomas Sowell's opinion on who Obama should nominate is worth .02c. Obama will select someone by due diligence as he's done with most of the people he's selected for his administration - based solely on ability.


you can see what's comin' as soon as anyone gets nominated, right?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:01 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

Are you agreeing with me then Walter? A judge can set aside a jury veridct if he rules that the jury was acting on emotion rather than evidence or if he considered a jury assessed penalty to be too lenient or too severe.


The judge is allowed to use "emotions" in his ruling. I'm not that sure about it with juries (but there aren't a lot of jury cases nowadays in England).

I don't think, however, that under English law a judge can set aside a jury ruling, especially not by reasons as you gave above.
But you'll know better.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:02 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Okay you got in your daily bitch about Republicans and conservatives. Those are noted.

What do you think about Thomas Sowell's opinion re the kind of Supreme Court justices that should or should not be appointed?


"my daily bitch", huh ? uh-huh.. noted.

now, here's what i want to know. out of the people who have already carped about the, as yet, unnamed, unspecified nominee for the scotus, why have you focused on thomas sowell's opinion ?


Because his opinion is appropriate for the subject of this thread.

What do you think about his opinion? Do you have a particular quarrel with it? What and why?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:06 am
@Foxfyre,
I believe my opinion about Sowell's opinion on who should be selected is worth .03c.

Obama has many sources now working in government to get good information about who to nominate. He will decide who to nominate from a short list provided to him.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:10 am
@Foxfyre,
Again, what are these "groups" and how are they distinguished one from another? Society isn't all that simple -- that's why there are classes in universities for civics, which is considered by many to be a science. What cases can you cite where a judge due to his empathy gave deference to a "group" or respected one politically correct position but not an opposing point of view?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:14 am
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

DontTreadOnMe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

Okay you got in your daily bitch about Republicans and conservatives. Those are noted.

What do you think about Thomas Sowell's opinion re the kind of Supreme Court justices that should or should not be appointed?


"my daily bitch", huh ? uh-huh.. noted.

now, here's what i want to know. out of the people who have already carped about the, as yet, unnamed, unspecified nominee for the scotus, why have you focused on thomas sowell's opinion ?


Because his opinion is appropriate for the subject of this thread.

What do you think about his opinion? Do you have a particular quarrel with it? What and why?


why only his ?

now, i read his opinion. nothing new there. same old "liberals are wrecking the constitution". blah, blah, blah.

his opinion is anything but unbiased. but if we're gonna use that kind of material, why don't you post some drivel from moveon. it's equally irrelevant.

also, he comments about the living constitution. of course it's a living document, why else would there be amendments ? duh!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:29 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
Foxie wrote:
Quote:

Because his opinion is appropriate for the subject of this thread.


His opinion may have value to you, but that doesn't mean it has any value outside of that. comprende?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:38 am
@DontTreadOnMe,
I posted his essay because it was directly focused on an issue important to me and I thought it expressed some important concepts.

You're certainly capable of posting a different opinion on the subject in rebuttal to Sowell's if you think it can be rebutted.

But that's all you took from what he wrote? "Liberals are wrecking the constitution"? You could find not a single thought that he expressed that you would consider deserving of discussion?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 11:52 am
@Foxfyre,
Thomas Sowell wrote:
Would you want to go into court to appear before a judge with "empathy" for groups A, B and C, if you were a member of groups X, Y or Z? Nothing could be further from the rule of law. That would be bad news, even in a traffic court, much less in a court that has the last word on your rights under the Constitution of the United States.

Pretty basic logical error here by Sowell. He takes "having empathy for A" as meaning "having empathy only for A." That doesn't follow.

Thomas Sowell wrote:
Appoint enough Supreme Court justices with "empathy" for particular groups and you would have, for all practical purposes, repealed the 14th Amendment, which guarantees "equal protection of the laws" for all Americans.

The stupidity accumulates...

Thomas Sowell wrote:
We would have entered a strange new world, where everybody is equal but some are more equal than others. The very idea of the rule of law would become meaningless when it is replaced by the empathies of judges.

...and reaches critical mass.

Thomas Sowell wrote:
Justice John Paul Stevens virtually destroyed the Constitution's restrictions on government officials' ability to confiscate private property in his 2005 decision in the case of "Kelo v. New London"-- 30 years after President Ford appointed him.

Justice Stevens would be surprised to learn that he did that all by himself. There were, after all, four other justices who joined him in the majority. He only wrote the opinion.

Thomas Sowell wrote:
The biggest danger in appointing the wrong people to the Supreme Court is not just in how they might vote on some particular issues-- whether private property, abortion or whatever. The biggest danger is that they will undermine or destroy the very concept of the rule of law-- what has been called "a government of laws and not of men."

The nation somehow managed to survive Rehnquist, so it can pretty much survive anything.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 12:22 pm
@joefromchicago,
It seems all that the conservatives know how to work is "fear." The only fear they've created is to the voters who see the conservative party as fear-mongers without any solutions.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 12:47 pm
@cicerone imposter,
A very simpleminded resolution, from a simpleminded person.

Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 12:57 pm
A comedian who laughs at his own jokes maybe no worse than a poster laughing at his own ad hominem. Sick.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 01:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It's future shock once again only the conservatives just don't want to instill fear about going forward, they want to pull backwards to end up compromising as standing still.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 5 May, 2009 01:13 pm



I think it's best for the country if Conservatives and Libertarians just sit back and watch Liberals commit suicide.

We will pick up the pieces and rebuild the Republic after the few surviving liberals return to their dark, dank caves.
 

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