AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@Foxfyre,

Here's an article about the same event by the Colorado Independent:

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Denver ‘Tea Party’ trades up conservative icons, faux populist ire

What a difference a few weeks of growing partisan anger and millions of dollars in free publicity can make.

At the second of Denver’s “Tea Party” protests in just six weeks the contrasts couldn’t be more sharp between the crowds, the messages (or lack thereof) and the apotheosis of conservative inspiration " the brainy Ayn Rand is out and the telegenic Ronald Reagan is in.

An estimated 3,500 people descended on the West Steps of the state capitol today to alternately shout about taxes, socialism, the Second Amendment, the economic stimulus and generally unfocused anti-Obama grumbling.

Two-time “Tea Party” protest organizer Brian T. Campbell, Sr., once again served as emcee but demurred on this go-around to use the event to promote and gather mailing list fodder for his publicly declared but as of yet not officially registered federal candidacy for the 2010 Republican primary in Colorado’s 7th Congressional District.

The Feb. 27 stimulus ruckus, that was held on the polar opposite East Steps side of the statehouse, galvanized about 100 people to take to the land, open neighborhood black markets and other small-scale anti-government activities inspired by John Galt, the fictional character of Rand’s novel “Atlas Shrugged.”

This time around only wild cheers were voiced by the decidedly establishment GOP throng for former President Ronald Reagan whose name was invoked frequently by many of the long-time state politicians and conservative activists from the crowded podium.

Punctuated by shouts of U-S-A and unfurled “Don’t Tread on Me” banners " and a lone pirate flag " the red-meat vibe of the group mirrored any of the typical election-cycle political rallies organized by corporate-backed groups pushing a candidate or cause.

Yet for all the hoopla and heavy television and radio promotion, there was no call to action nor a clear take-home message for participants who stood in the Noon-day sun for more than 90 minutes, unlike the first and more home-grown “Tea Party” event.

Notwithstanding the obvious ideologically-driven anger from the large crowd, scattershot political ire does not a movement make.

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The mere passage of time and the liquidation of a few of the corporate corpses afoot are the most effective remedy for the current crisis. Politicians of every stripe, but particularly of the left, are inclined to frenetic activity and freedon sapping government-mandated transfers of wealth as a supposed "remedy" to a situation that will resolve itself in the normal process of death and rebirth. No doubt they will claim credit for the entirely natural rebirth when it occurs. Let us hope we have some freedom (and property) left when it does.

The U.S. media have, as is usual here, been unstintingly critical of the anti tax movement, and have distorted the facts of the demonstrations - which have been both larger and more substantial than has been generally reported and smaller than their supporters would have us believe.

The left wing in American politics has repeatedly underestimated the strength and endurance of their opposition in American politics. Their recent, substantial victory is likely to yield a little hubris, and the evidence of it abounds. Pendulums swing both ways.

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@georgeob1,

Indeed,

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Pendulums swing both ways.

However, we now have a whole new ball game where the republican leadership is seen as the "No Party." I believe that shows many conservatives that they are unable to accept their election defeat as matured men and women. After all, it also took conservative votes for Obama to win the last election as well as the majority in congress.

Their recent teabag demonstrations is not against deficit spending; it's against democratic spending. If they were so concerned about spending, why did our deficit increase by double during the Bush administration and majority in congress? They didn't have any teabag demonstrations when they could have shown their concerns.

It's now seen as hypocrisy.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

. . . The left wing in American politics has repeatedly underestimated the strength and endurance of their opposition in American politics. Their recent, substantial victory is likely to yield a little hubris, and the evidence of it abounds. Pendulums swing both ways.

The modus operandi of the right wing conservative movement is the lack of a coherent message, appeals to ignorance and extremes, and boogeyman scare tactics. When the party of "obstruction" comes up with better ideas and solutions, perhaps the pendulum will swing back in their favor. Until then, I think the vast majority of Americans are tired of their brand of divisive politics. Maybe the right wingers need to show a little hubris in the face of their defeat. Currently, they're displaying ignorance and throwing childish temper tantrums. This is not helping their image. We witness their bigoted faces and whiney voices crying out that Obama is a fascist--even though they don't know the meaning of word. They need to do a lot better if they want to win back control of the government.

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@old europe,

Colorado Independent = Left wing extremist propaganda.

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@Debra Law,

Debra Law wrote:

The modus operandi of the right wing conservative movement is the lack of a coherent message, appeals to ignorance and extremes, and boogeyman scare tactics. When the party of "obstruction" comes up with better ideas and solutions, perhaps the pendulum will swing back in their favor. Until then, I think the vast majority of Americans are tired of their brand of divisive politics. Maybe the right wingers need to show a little hubris in the face of their defeat. Currently, they're displaying ignorance and throwing childish temper tantrums. This is not helping their image. We witness their bigoted faces and whiney voices crying out that Obama is a fascist--even though they don't know the meaning of word. They need to do a lot better if they want to win back control of the government.

How refreshing it is to read such a wise, dispassionate, balanced analysis of the situation between the ever-contending parties.

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Because "Joe the Plumber" is the leading spokesperson for the modern conservative movement and the GOP, I don't think the pendulum will swing to the right anytime soon. But I do not discourage wishful thinking.

Here you go ican and all other conservative movers and shakers: Support your man, Joe. Purchase a t-shirt and pay 99 cents in order to vote for abolishing the IRS:

LINK

As soon as the movement has collected $200,000,000 in vote money, with 75 percent of the paying voters voting to abolish the IRS, these fine people will lobby congress on your behalf. Good luck!

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

Debra Law wrote:

The modus operandi of the right wing conservative movement is the lack of a coherent message, appeals to ignorance and extremes, and boogeyman scare tactics. When the party of "obstruction" comes up with better ideas and solutions, perhaps the pendulum will swing back in their favor. Until then, I think the vast majority of Americans are tired of their brand of divisive politics. Maybe the right wingers need to show a little hubris in the face of their defeat. Currently, they're displaying ignorance and throwing childish temper tantrums. This is not helping their image. We witness their bigoted faces and whiney voices crying out that Obama is a fascist--even though they don't know the meaning of word. They need to do a lot better if they want to win back control of the government.

How refreshing it is to read such a wise, dispassionate, balanced analysis of the situation between the ever-contending parties.

Thank you, georgeob, for your non-sarcastic response to my truthful post. I know it is difficult for you to acknowledge the truth, but acceptance is the first step towards recovery.

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@Debra Law,

If that isn't childish, I'm not sure how else it can be interpreted. Maybe it's just that liberals don't understand the conservative message. BTW, I'm not a liberal although I have some liberal leanings like universal health care.

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Joe the Plumber has a lose pipe in his head while sleeping and is having a wet dream that the IRS will ever be eliminated.

If that opportunistic idiot is a symbol for conservatives, they are in a lot of hot water.

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@Lightwizard,

I understand copper is much better than the "rusted" stuff he now has.

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@cicerone imposter,

He's using the standard PVC -- remember, he's plastic man.

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@Lightwizard,

Gotcha. <smile>

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@H2O MAN,

There are two problems with the fair tax:
(1) If it were established without repealing the 16th Amendment, the subsequent re-establishment of the income tax would be highly probable.
(2) The paybacks of some of the sales taxes to individuals would initially be the same for everyone who pays one or more sales taxes. But it is highly probable that these repayments would soon be made variable by the Congress based on individual wealth.

I favor a uniform flat tax on only annual individual gross income, without any exceptions based on deductions, examptions, paybacks, refunds, or anything else.

I favor a uniform flat tax, because the uniform flat tax does not violate Article I. Section 8. of the Constitution that requires uniform taxes throughout the USA. But the fair tax does violate that section, because with the payback provision the fair tax is not uniform throughout the USA.

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@Debra Law,

Here's what I know to be a coherent message from the right.

The Bush administration spent billions of dollars in their violation of the Constitution of the USA.

The Obama administration is in the process of spending trillions of dollars in their violation of the Constitution of the USA.

We have tolerated this criminal activity long enough. Our federal government is mortgaging our children's and grandchildren's futures with their criminal activity.

Article I. ... Section 8. specifies the only powers and the limited powers the Constitution grants to the federal government to enable it "to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States." Any members of the federal government who exercise powers other than these in order "to provide for the commnon defense and general welfare of the United States," are criminals violating the "supreme law of the land."

Those members of the federal government, who violate the Constitution of the USA, are violating their oaths of office and are criminals. They must be removed from office.

Powers not granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the USA are powers that no member of the federal government has. Clear irrefutable evidence that the Obama administration now--and the Bush administration before--are violating the Constitution of the USA can be found in the Federalist Papers.

The enumerated powers in Article I. ... Section 8. are the only powers granted the federal government "to provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States."

No member of the federal government, not even any of those possessing judicial powers, is empowered to amend the Constitution of the United.States.

The only legal ways the Constitution can be amended is by two-thirds the Congress AND three-quarters of the states, OR, by two-thirds the states calling a constitutional convention to amend the Constitution AND three quarters of the states approving such amendment or amendments.

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@Debra Law,

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Because "Joe the Plumber" is the leading spokesperson for the modern conservative movement and the GOP

You say its "Joe the Plumber", others say its Rush Limbaugh.

It cant be both, so which is it?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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Because "Joe the Plumber" is the leading spokesperson for the modern conservative movement and the GOP

You say its "Joe the Plumber", others say its Rush Limbaugh.

I prefer Neal Boortz Cool

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@cicerone imposter,

I dont have to prove anything.
As you and Cyclo have said, all someone has to do is make the claim, they dont need to back up their claims.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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"They are coming to these things, because they are having a difficult time coping with how far their cause has fallen, and how low the tide of Conservatism is at this moment.

Really? Just as there are more ways to be dead (or not living) in this world than there are to exist ,there surely must be more important things in the lives of tea party participant's lives than "how low the tide of Conservatism is at this moment". So given your proposal ,so advanced, why would these people fixate upon such an abstract concept such as 'Conservatisim' (or liberalism, socialism, or compassionate conservatism for that matter)? Why cannot you take them at their word (too much government control of and government debt accumulation in their lives)? Why deny them their Constitutional right of free speech by calling them, in effect, liars? Indeed, why do you insist that their simple and impulsive outcry has sinister ulterior motives? Given the outpouring of their opinion, can you at least grant them the status of patriots of the loyal opposition? If not, why?

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Most of these people are shell-shocked that the Democrats have kicked your asses so badly the last two electoral cycles and they don't know what to do about it."

I don't get that message from the tea partys. These people are concerned with what they say they are concerned about and it has never been about anybody's "Ass" except theirs and their childrens' but they are brutally honest about it. Do they have selfish interests? Sure. But Our FF already figured that into the constitition, the very document liberals have been trying to circumvent for years.

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The fact that they are complaining about paying too much in taxes, while ignoring the fact that they are perfectly well represented in Washington, and yet compare it to Tea Parties held in the past; it shows a complete lack of perspective and is really quite insulting to our forefathers.

This is not "a fact" . Their complaint is much more sinister to liberals. They say government is getting too large and too much into their lives. Cyclops ,if you wish to defeat your enemy you must understand its true motives first. Obama is committing the same error RE Iran and DPRK, but that's another thread altogether.

JM

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@ican711nm,

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The Bush administration spent billions of dollars in their violation of the Constitution of the USA.

The Obama administration is in the process of spending trillions of dollars in their violation of the Constitution of the USA.

You do realize that Bush signed 8 years worth of budgets, don't you ican?
Each of those budgets was over 2 trillion dollars.

So, how can a conservative claim Bush only spent billions in violation while claiming Obama is spending trillions in violation in one year.

Obama budget - 3 Trillion
Bush budgets - 20 Trillion.

No wonder no one takes the conservatives seriously if that is what they think is a coherent message.

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