AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

A different perspective on the Jeremiah Wright - Obama bruhaha:Note: background on the analogies used is related elsewhere in the piece excerpted

In the real world, a sense of grievance or entitlement, as a result of the mistreatment of your ancestors, is not likely to get you very far with people who are too busy dealing with current economic realities to spend much time thinking about their own ancestors, much less other people's ancestors. , , , ,

Another seemingly unrelated experience was being in a crowd at a graveside in a Jewish cemetery last week. That crowd included people who were black, white, Asian, Catholic, Jewish and no doubt others. This country has come a long way, just in my lifetime.

. . . .We don't need people like either Jeremiah Wright or Barack Obama to take us backward. The time is long overdue to stop gullibly accepting the left's vision of itself as idealistic, rather than self-aggrandizing."
THOMAS SOWELL

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Fox - I thought the point was to talk about the flaws of the conservative political philosophy etc?

It seems like you just want to try and drag the Wright thing out as long as you can, and you're looking for any platform where you can post this.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Fox - I thought the point was to talk about the flaws of the conservative political philosophy etc?

It seems like you just want to try and drag the Wright thing out as long as you can, and you're looking for any platform where you can post this.

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And this is a perfect platform for it, isn't it?

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What the hell? No. This is not the perfect platform. Not perfect, not even appropriate. The appropriate place is in a thread where Obama or Wright are being discussed.

Bringing it up here, only shows the shallowness of attack.

Edit: Actually, this thread is perfect. A thread that nobady reads anymore is a perfect place to put more useless on-and-on about Rev Wright.

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And yes, this is the proper forum to discuss the flaws of the conservative perspective and also the virtues of the conservative perspective and/or where the conservative perspective is superior to that of the liberal perspective. Consider again Sowell's take on it:

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Conservatism does not focus on victimization nor does it presume that any group is inferior to or must be nurtured by Big Brother. Conservatism considers that point of view to be counterproductive if not destructive or down right racist.

So where better to discuss that than here?

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If conservatism is so perfect then it should not require the context you are so desperately trying to create.

Sowell's article is just another article to try to liken Obama to Wright and make their actions and ideas synonymous.

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He did not make them synonymous nor did he....nor have I.....ever said that conservatism is perfect.

What he did say is that they both appeal to feelings of victimization rather than the potential within the people as the recipe to achieve their goals and dreams.

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Diest TKO wrote:

What the hell? No. This is not the perfect platform. Not perfect, not even appropriate. The appropriate place is in a thread where Obama or Wright are being discussed.

You're such a noob.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
What the hell? No. This is not the perfect platform. Not perfect, not even appropriate. The appropriate place is in a thread where Obama or Wright are being discussed.

You're such a noob.

n00b is spelled with two zeros. And you like to insult my spelling. Rolling Eyes

IRt3h1337!!!1!1one!!!1uno!1!onefactorial1!

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Rolling Eyes

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You didn't do any research on the definition or spelling of 'noob' did you. While it can be spelled with two zeros--n00b--it does not HAVE to be spelled with two zeros and usually isn't.

Advice: Precision is not important in philosophy or mental exercises. It is essential in the field of engineering.

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Foxfyre wrote:

You didn't do any research on the definition or spelling of 'noob' did you. While it can be spelled with two zeros--n00b--it does not HAVE to be spelled with two zeros and usually isn't.

Are you kidding? He's never researched the spelling of any word.

noob

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This is now offically the best thread in A2K.

LOL

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Another 'which candidate most reflects your views' site:

http://www.votechooser.com/

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And now this. . . .

George Will has raised the questions and I think these are questions that deserve an answer or at least a philosophy--I admit I had to look up the definition for 'peripatetic'.

While I don't think any of the candidates can say specifically what they will do until they know what circumstances they will be facing, I think all should advise us that they are aware of and have given seriously consideration to these issues:

Questions For McCain

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Diest TKO wrote:

If conservatism is so perfect then it should not require the context you are so desperately trying to create.

Sowell's article is just another article to try to liken Obama to Wright and make their actions and ideas synonymous.

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They aren't synonymous? What evidence for that?

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Notice how those who make unsupportable statements flee the thread?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, this one is almost too dead on accurate to be funny:

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/ca0513dd.jpg

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okie wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
If conservatism is so perfect then it should not require the context you are so desperately trying to create.

Sowell's article is just another article to try to liken Obama to Wright and make their actions and ideas synonymous.

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They aren't synonymous? What evidence for that?

No they aren't. And the burden of proof is not for me to prove that something is not. However if it was I'd start with Obama's track record. It does not illustrate the ideas of Rev Wright for which he is being criticized.

Foxfyre - People aren't fleeing, they are becomeing bored. This used to be a pretty good thread when it was a discussion about how the conservative movement has been out of phase with either it's voters or itself. Now it's just another platform for useless babel on things like Rev Wright because people elsewhere don't care anymore.

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I think it is okay to use current events, especially those which have caught the interest or imagination of the people, for illustration within a discussion of conservative values. Do you disagree that McCain is not tolerated by the left because he is more centrist than right wing? Do you disagree that both Obama and Clinton campaign as more centrist than liberal? That is what the cartoon illustrates.

Is centrist better than left wing? Or right wing? These are valid considerations for discussion.

As for Wright versus Obama, this definitely falls within the scope of conservative values that reject Marxist and socialist doctrines. If you watch and listen closely, both Wright and Obama preach a liberation theology that is softly rooted in Marxism and embraces socialism to a degree that is alarming to conservatives. The difference between the rhetoric of the two is only a matter of degree, emphasis, and semantics.

If you agree emotionally with the doctrine, it sounds really good. For conservatives who do not, it is scary stuff.

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Foxfyre wrote:

As for Wright versus Obama, this definitely falls within the scope of conservative values that reject Marxist and socialist doctrines. If you watch and listen closely, both Wright and Obama preach a liberation theology that is softly rooted in Marxism and embraces socialism to a degree that is alarming to conservatives.

Well, it's commonly known that the encyclicals Rerum Novarum, Quadragesimo Anno, and Centesimus Annus were actually written by Marx, Engels and Lenin and not by Leo XIII, Pius XI and John Paul II. Rolling Eyes

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Foxfyre wrote:

As for Wright versus Obama, this definitely falls within the scope of conservative values that reject Marxist and socialist doctrines.

Can you say Israel?

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