AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Do you pretend that one can simultaneously be an avowed environmentalist, and a supporter of lower environmental regulations?

(1) Replace ALL federal taxes with an uniform annual flat tax of X% on all dollars of personal gross income, without any deductions, exemptions, refunds, or paybacks, AND where X is to be decided by the Congress and agreed to by the President.

(2) No one can vote in a federal election unless s/he pays an uniform annual flat tax of X% on all dollars of personal gross income on or before April 15th, AND before the election.

(3) Permit drilling for oil in a specified 3 square mile area within ANWR's 30,000 square miles.

(4) Terminate all federal financial aid to all foreign countries in the world.

(5) Amend the Constitution to limit members of the Senate to a maximum of 3 six-year terms.

(6) Amend the Constitution to limit members of the House to a maximum of 9 two-year terms.

(7) Amend the Constitution to limit judges in the federal court system to a maximum term of 18 years.

(8) Continue the Constitutional limit of Presidents to a maximum of 2 four-year terms.

(9) Every four years require a secret ballot by the workers in a shop for them to adopt or retain union representation, when a majority of the members of the shop (not just a majority of those voting) vote for union representation.

I certainly did make a LOT of effort to oppose them. I opposed President Bush's insane new entitlement with the Senior prescription bill.

At no time in no thread on this or any other forum did I approve the runaway spending and fiscal irresponsibility demonstrated by the GOP and accepted if not condoned by President Bush.

I ranted against the unwise and counter productive steel tariff he recommended and imposed.

I ranted against his more unwise appointments--Harriet Miers comes immediately to mind--and including an incompetent and unqualified FEMA director.

I deplored his incompetent prosecution of the Iraq war in the early running and admitted he accepted some really bad advice.

That's just some and I have complained about ALL of these here on A2K and elsewhere--I believe certainly most if not all here on A2K.

a bunch of crap.

joefromchicago wrote:

a bunch of crap.

Who gives a **** if you see evidence for or not? I mean beyond the yippers like C.I.?

Foxfyre, darn it! I was hoping for more disagreement so we could thereby TRY to educate the Obama-crats what conservatism is really all about.

Hmmm ... Well, can we disagree on some of this?

(1) Replace ALL federal taxes with an uniform annual flat tax of X% on all dollars of personal gross income, without any deductions, exemptions, refunds, or paybacks, AND where X is to be decided by the Congress and agreed to by the President.

WEALTHY ALREADY PAY MUCH OF TAX BURDEN

Taxing rich people for political and financial expediency is a bad idea. People shouldn't be punished for being successful, and the wealthy already pay much of the tax burden, says the Wichita Eagle.

The message of Sens. Barack Obama and Joe Biden is a push-back to the myth that the tax cuts championed by Bush were for the well-off. The nonpartisan National Center for Policy Analysis disputed that idea in a report earlier this year.

"It is politically popular to say that tax cuts benefit the wealthy," said Michael D. Stroup, a Stephen F. Austin University economist who authored the NCPA report. "The accusation does not match the reality."
Here are some of the underreported findings:

• The top 1 percent of income earners pay more than $1 in every $3 the Internal Revenue Service collects; from 1986 to 2004, the total share of the income tax burden paid by the top 1 percent of earners grew from 25.8 to 36.9 percent, while the total share of the tax burden paid by the bottom half of earners fell from 6.5 to only 3.3 percent.

• During the same period, the percentage of income the top 1 percent of tax filers paid in federal income taxes rose from 18.3 to 19.6 percent; by contrast, the percentage of income the bottom fifth of tax filers paid in federal income taxes dropped from 0.4 percent to zero.

• The income share of the top 1 percent rose 7.7 percentage points, from 11.3 to 19 percent, while their income-tax burden rose by 11 points, from 26 to 37 percent.

The study is backed up by data from Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation:

• In 2006, 53.7 percent of federal income taxes were paid by those with incomes of more than $200,000. Those earning between $100,000 and $200,000 paid 28.3 percent of individual income taxes.

• Added up, those with incomes of more than $100,000 paid 82 percent of the total.

• They also paid 44.4 percent of payroll taxes.
America doesn't need policies that take more money from one group of citizens and give it to another. We need leaders who will cut spending and live within a budget. It's what most of us do, and we should expect the same of our government, says the Eagle.

Source: Brent Castillo, "Wealthy already pay much of tax burden," The Wichita Eagle, October 23, 2008.
http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17169

(2) No one can vote in a federal election unless s/he pays an uniform annual flat tax of X% on all dollars of personal gross income on or before April 15th, AND before the election.

(3) Permit drilling for oil in a specified 3 square mile area within ANWR's 30,000 square miles.

(4) Terminate all federal financial aid to all foreign countries in the world.

(5) Amend the Constitution to limit members of the Senate to a maximum of 3 six-year terms.

(6) Amend the Constitution to limit members of the House to a maximum of 9 two-year terms.

(7) Amend the Constitution to limit judges in the federal court system to a maximum term of 18 years.

(8) Continue the Constitutional limit of Presidents to a maximum of 2 four-year terms.

(9) Every four years require a secret ballot by the workers in a shop for them to adopt or retain union representation, when a majority of the members of the shop (not just a majority of those voting) vote for union representation.

And of course you post evidence for EVERYTHING you post, right?

Who gives a **** if you see evidence for or not?

So are you saying that if asked, you can instantly find every post you ever made about any issue?

Lets see if thats true...
Find me every post you ever made supporting the military.

I'm still waiting for OE to provide his list of compliments he has given George W. Bush on A2K or anywhere.

Quote:

Remarks by President Bush in the Rose Garden on Wednesday about the crisis in the former Soviet republic of Georgia, by as transcribed by CQ Transcriptions.

I basically agree with everything that he said. Well done. This is exactly what I would have liked to see when I said, earlier, that appearance and image is important.

He doesn't condemn Russia as the aggressor, but he makes it very clear that there's this line in the sand, and Russia should better not cross it. He's sending Rice to Paris and Tbilisi, in a diplomatic effort. And he's sending US aircraft and naval forces, but on a humanitarian mission.

I'm impressed.

McGentrix wrote:

Who gives a **** if you see evidence for or not?

If I claimed that I had opposed Obama on various policy positions and someone challenged me to provide the details, I doubt if you'd be convinced if I simply made the unsubstantiated assertion that "I ranted about that all the time on A2K."

Well, maybe you would. You've never been one to provide much evidence for your own assertions, so maybe you hold everyone else to the same low standards.

Then perhaps if your memory is as good as you apparently expect mine should be, you should be able to know exactly when and where you posted whatever. Perhaps you could list those compliments that you have bestowed on President George W. Bush. You'll probably need to go back however many years you've been on A2K of course. I joined in 2004 I think.

So, as it stands, Bush is on record as either opposing slavery or opposing the nomination of dead slaves to the federal bench. Frankly, I find myself in the unaccustomed situation of actually agreeing with both of those positions.

I would be impressed if you provided the links.

Certainly if your goal here is to make me a liar, you should be able to find where I praised President Bush for the things on my list. Yes? Good luck with that.

So are you saying that if asked, you can instantly find every post you ever made about any issue?

Lets see if thats true...
Find me every post you ever made supporting the military.