AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@ican711nm,

Minor correction here. You said:

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MALs are greedy for everyone’s conformity, because they know that prevents differences.

No, it doesn't prevent differences. But with their wierd concept of great equality, they will likely create an unintended climate that encourages the less motivated and productive to leach off the more motivated and productive. It can create a perhaps unintended disincentive to acquire the best possible education, acquire a work ethic, develop or hone useful skills, or strive for excellence since such will not be rewarded to any degree over those who don't bother. The net result is a more dumbed down, less productive, less prosperous, less innovative society for all. But at least they don't have to feel envious of those big executive salaries. Smile

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@babsatamelia,

babsatamelia wrote:

A nameless fear of there never being enough to go around, someone will have to do without,and it won't be me or mine. And then they all "snatch up all they can get a hold of from this season's budget" in our legislatures - with NO thought for the nation as a whole, only thoughts of their own fear, or their re election campaigns.

This leads to senseless PORK programs that states grasp at based on the one simple premise that there is never enough to go around...and we will always have to live in fear of being left out in the cold, so everyone will be grabbing, grasping, caring for no one but their own simple selves & their own interests, money honestly might BE the root of all the evil (ie. pain, misery, the suffering, the hungry, the homeless) Forget Medicare's needs!!Or Social Security's or education & the healthcare needs of our nation as a whole!! The more debt we're in as a nation is good for the economy, right? Wrong! This all reminds me of how the basis of a nation can exist on this fear-based conservativism that is SO limiting; our future as a nation has been stunted & deformed. When the idealogy of a party ceases to even remotely remember their PRIMARY duty IS & ALWAYS SHOULD BE TO SERVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!

You are blaming the wrong ism, babssatamelia. To correct your post change this, fear-based conservativism to this, fear-based socialist liberalism. It is this fear-based socialist liberalism that is causing our country to abandon its Constitutional Republic for a socialist dictatorship like that of Hugo Chavez's Venezuela.

AGAIN

The solution for how to save our Constitutional Republic is not to repeatedly sound alarms and repeatedly give the reasons for those alarms. The solution is to impeach President Obama. He is continually transferring wealth from those persons and organizations that lawfully earned it to those persons and organizations that have not earned it.

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I just read that Bush is going to get $7 M for a book about his decisionmaking. An appropriate title would be: "How a Moron Makes Decisions."

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote:

The net result is a more dumbed down, less productive, less prosperous, less innovative society for all. But at least they don't have to feel envious of those big executive salaries.

Yes, the net result is a more conformity driven society: that is, a society that tries to prevent differences among its members.

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@Advocate,

We should start a new thread called: Bush's new book title should be ________.

My contribution is: "Why My Wrong Decisions Killed and Maimed Hundreds of Thousands of Innocent People."

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@Advocate,

Better that you, Advocate and cicerone imposter, jointly write a book titled: "How a Moron Makes Decisions."

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@cicerone imposter,

Another Bush decision that backfired:

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Ex-Bush admin official: Many at Gitmo are innocent
Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday. "There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

That's what happens when an idiot takes over the presidency of this country, and the other branches of government fail to do their jobs.

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@cicerone imposter,

There are "innocent people" at Guantanamo just like those other "innocent people"at Guantanano, who when released, returned to mass murdering non-murderers.

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@Foxfyre,

Foxfyre wrote

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:"But isn't that the way all dictatorships happen? It starts quietly and innocently with indoctrination of the young, gullible, passionate with highly virtuous and moral sounding rhetoric until sufficient loyaty and fanaticism has been created to make a bloody or bloodless coup possible. Then a charismatic, articulate, and attractive leader can step into power."

Found this in yesterday's WSJ Best of the Web section

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:"Lemon Pledge
President Obama's campaign Web site announces the "Organizing for America Pledge Project," which asks Americans to take the following pledge:

I support President Obama's bold approach for renewing America's economy.
I will ask friends, family, and neighbors to pledge their support for this plan.

We find this creepy. Is this partisan of us? That's not a rhetorical question; we'd appreciate it if anyone could point out (a) any examples of a Republican president, say during the past 30 years, asking people to take a similar "pledge," and (b) if it was George W. Bush, any examples of this column's defending it.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123730751068357783.html

Although out side the time frame someone did find something similar Re President G. Ford's WIN (Whip Inflation Now):

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Consumers:

I pledge to my fellow citizens that I will buy, when possible, only those products and services priced at or below present levels. I also promise to conserve energy and I urge others to sign this pledge.

Businessmen and Businesswomen:

I pledge to my customers that to the very best of my ability I will hold or reduce prices and will buy whenever possible from those who have pledged to do the same. I also pledge to be an energy saver. This signed pledge is evidence of my participation in, and support of, the WIN Program.

Workers:

I pledge that I--through my union--will join with my fellow workers and my employer in seeking ways to conserve energy and eliminate waste on the job. I also promise to urge others to sign this pledge.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=4557

But no one was able to find a pledge that specifically named a president in the pledge. Also notable in the Obama pledge is any lack of details as to exactly what the person taking the pledge is signing onto with the adjective "bold" being totally uninformative. But, perhaps I am doing this: Mountain=mole hill? It seems that there are an increasing number of Americans who feel that the change they are now getting is not what they voted for. Perhaps they should have demanded such details at an earlier date.

JM

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@JamesMorrison,

JM, Why do you find it "creepy?" The president is only making a request; it's not legal nor enforceable.

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@JamesMorrison,

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It seems that there are an increasing number of Americans who feel that the change they are now getting is not what they voted for.

Oh, does it seem that way?

What led you to conclude that this is true?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

How can anyone conclude such a ridiculous thing as "increasing number of Americans who feel that the change they are now getting is not what they voted for?"

Obama has been in office for less than two months; any action he takes requires the approval of congress, and things do not happen immediately after any legislation is approved.

Who are these "increasing number of Americans?" Can you provide any evidence of who they are?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

We should start a new thread called: Bush's new book title should be ________.

My contribution is: "Why My Wrong Decisions Killed and Maimed Hundreds of Thousands of Innocent People."

I believe you have "misunderestimated" the number of people who were the victims of his imperial presidency.

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@Debra Law,

By about how many? I guess we need to count a) all those soldiers who came back from his wars that resulted in 1) suicide, 2) divorce, 3) violence against wife and/or children, and 4) became homeless, b) all those people who lost their jobs and homes, c) the desperation of fathers who killed their own family and himself, d) all those who have lost a good percentage of their 401ks and IRAs, and e) the millions more who lost their health insurance during Bush's term in office.

Many of those are tragic stories that could have been prevented by a more competent president, and who would not have started a war without good reason.

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@Debra Law,

President Bush has probably saved many lives in Iraq, as well as right here in this country, possibly yours for all you know.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

President Bush has probably saved many lives in Iraq, as well as right here in this country, possibly yours for all you know.

Even you don't believe this, Okie. Not really. Just your knee jerking over and over is all.

You can keep your 'probablies' and 'possiblies,' Okie; all we know for sure is that hundreds of thousands are definitely dead. Your conjecture can't ******* match that.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Yeah, and Hussein defintitely killed hundreds of thousands, and probably would have killed alot more if Bush had not prevented him. And if the terrorists and bombers would have given up as any sane person would have, and made peace, alot more lives could have been saved, but then again not everyone is as peace loving as George W. Bush, are they? As we speak, there are terrorist cells in many places plotting their next move to kill people, possibly including you, me, and all the rest of the posters on this forum, including even ci even though he is probably too dense to realize it.

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@okie,

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Yeah, and Hussein defintitely killed hundreds of thousands, and probably would have killed alot more if Bush had not prevented him.

I look forward to your evidence to support your statement.

I won't hold my breath.

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@okie,

If this is any indication of the number of people killed before and after Saddam was removed, it seems Bush did NOT save hundreds of thousands.
http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=iz&v=26

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@JamesMorrison,

JamesMorrison wrote:

It seems that there are an increasing number of Americans who feel that the change they are now getting is not what they voted for. Perhaps they should have demanded such details at an earlier date.

JM

I'm not capable of feeling this way. Perhaps I would, had I voted for him. What I think I'm beginning to see is a President who works on a very personal level.

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