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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 06:55 pm
@genoves,
I think Obama was just buttering bread for the conservatives...who think Reagan was a saint.

Reagan is considered by conservatives to be the family values guy!

He was the only divorced man ever elected to the presidency...he cheated on his first wife...got his second wife pregnant before marrying her...and he raised a family so disfunctional that two of his kids wrote books excoriating both he and his wife as terrible parents.

Hey...conservatives really have to settle for what they can get in the way of heros.
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 06:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I don't believe a word you wrote. Do you have a link? I do--


Here is what a respected Historian says:

In Praise Of Reagan, Communicator Extraordinaire



Douglas Brinkley has written books about Dean Acheson, Jimmy Carter, Henry Ford and John Kerry. Photo courtesy of Rice University


, February 5, 2009 · Historian Douglas Brinkley considers Ronald Reagan one of the top five American presidents of the 20th century.

Brinkley, who edited The Reagan Diaries, says that it was Reagan's ability to connect with the population at large that distinguished him as a leader. In the book's introduction, Brinkley writes that Americans could see "something of themselves reflected in [Reagan] " a modern American unashamed of the nation's majesty and his own pride in time-honored traditions."

A fellow at Rice University's Baker Institute for Public Policy, Brinkley is the author of The Great Deluge: Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Aha, something we agree on. Reagan ran the country about as well as he ran SAG. It was always like an episode of "Death Valley Stories," and he never changed. He had a closeted, gay attorney close to him and Nancy who was a complete asshole. Al Pacino portrayed an accurate character in "Angels in America."
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
If President Reagan's divorce and allegedly disfunctional children are important in evaluating his presidency, then I hold that Clinton's presidency was four times more immoral than Reagan's.

I do hope, A pisa that you realize that Presidential Historians do not agree with you. I am sorry if my chart was too difficult for you to read but if you try very hard ( get some help if you need it) you will find that Reagan was declared to be the sixteenth best President the country has ever had( out of 43)

And a hint to you A pisa. The Presidential Historians do not include divorces or disfunctional children in their estimates of Presidential Success.

Of course, if you can show where these PresidentialScholars are wrong, I will be happy to read your critique.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:13 pm
@genoves,
Quote:
I don't believe a word you wrote. Do you have a link? I do--




What is it that you do not “believe”, Genoves?

That he was the only divorced man ever elected to the presidency?

That he cheated on his first wife?

That he got his second wife pregnant before marrying her.?

That he raised a family so dysfunctional that two of his kids wrote books excoriating him and his wife for being terrible parents?


Sorry, fella...those are all documented many times over.

Ya could look it up...as Casey would say.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:16 pm
@genoves,
Quote:
If President Reagan's divorce and allegedly disfunctional children are important in evaluating his presidency, then I hold that Clinton's presidency was four times more immoral than Reagan's.

I do hope, A pisa that you realize that Presidential Historians do not agree with you. I am sorry if my chart was too difficult for you to read but if you try very hard ( get some help if you need it) you will find that Reagan was declared to be the sixteenth best President the country has ever had( out of 43)

And a hint to you A pisa. The Presidential Historians do not include divorces or disfunctional children in their estimates of Presidential Success.

Of course, if you can show where these PresidentialScholars are wrong, I will be happy to read your critique.


Aha...I see you have already made a significant about-face.

No longer questioning whether it was all true...but now saying it really doesn't matter.

Gosh...that was quick.

Quote:
And a hint to you A pisa. The Presidential Historians do not include divorces or disfunctional children in their estimates of Presidential Success.


No they don't...and they don't include abject hypocrisy either. Good think for Reagan, wouldn't you say?

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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:18 pm
@Lightwizard,
Lightwizard- You seem to be a person who likes movies--Good for you. I like movies too. I beleive when the ACADEMY chooses the best picture, etc, etc, they are usually close to the mark.

Perhaps you are( I don't think so) like Frank A Pisa who either did not or could not read the results given by the PRESIDENTIAL HISTORIANS ACADEMY which rated Reagan as the sixteenth best president of the USA

Now, Reagan may have had a closeted gay attorney close to him( gasp)--do you think Reagan should have fired him(Shameon you). And Nancy Reagan was a "complete Asshole" I am sure that was not taken into account by the Presidential Historians when they evaluated Reagan's presidency.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:19 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Confirmed. He was sleeping with Nancy when still married to Jane Wyman, who ended up hating him. Jane was a really genuine person, but too naive to know what was going on. Nancy worked hard to make it happen -- her acting career was going nowhere. It could be that she was a worse actor than Reagan, who was miscast in the Bonzo movies. He should have been Bonzo.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:20 pm
@genoves,
No, the attorney was a complete asshole and should have been fired. He coped out by dying of AIDS before they could fire him. He was a piece of work.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:27 pm
@genoves,
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Brinkley writes that Americans could see "something of themselves reflected in [Reagan]


http://www.kirktoons.com/june_2004/cartoons.html

I see these sordid tendencies reflected in a good number of Americans, G. From your postings, it may well have been possible for you to have served as one of Reagan's avid emissaries of murder, rape and pillaging.


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genoves
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:29 pm
@Lightwizard,
I feel sorry f0r the poor man- Dying of AIDS is not a pleasant way to go,but I am sure that sad event was not considered by the Presidential Historians who evaluated Reagan
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:35 pm
@genoves,
Quote:
I am sure that was not taken into account by the Presidential Historians when they evaluated Reagan's presidency.


No, but the notion that he was, "the great communicator" was. Consider his audience. It was largely the same crew, you included, that sat in rapt attention while GWB wove his magic.

"great communicator", phuck; the world knew he was nothing more than a glib idiot, but this historian has got it all figured out. Wanna buy a bridge?
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:44 pm
@JTT,
The phrase "great communicator"was not given by me but rather by thehistorian Douglas Brinkeley. See post 3,574,211. Take it up with him,JTT.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:45 pm
@genoves,
If you had know him, you would not feel sorry for him. He was the epitome of the consummate hypocrite and used his position and power to try and seduce men. You'd probably be shocked how many conservatives are gay and they don't protect the right to be gay, they only try to protect the right to be queens themselves. They'll cover-up for other conservative gays, much like the clerics in the Catholic church, but conservative rhymes with hypocrite, not poetically but sub-consciously.
genoves
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:49 pm
@Lightwizard,
Oh, I am sure that you are correct, LIghtwizard,but I have been raised to accept gay people as nothing less than equals in our society. I am sure that somepeoplehave been closeted because of the intense homophobia that exists in the USA. Again,I feel sorry for the poor man!
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:50 pm
@genoves,
Quote:
The phrase "great communicator"was not given by me but rather by the


You cannot even hold a complete thought.

A scintilla of cognitive dissonance slipping in, G. Don't worry, it'll pass, you're of the conservative mind bent.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 08:02 pm
@genoves,
I applaud that noble motive, but Reagan is not a deity. He was a fallible man who allowed himself to be sucked up into politics, much to Nancy's dismay. But she did love him and stood beside him. She was the super trooper and still is -- the testament to that is her close connection to the her gay friends in Hollwood (who never really understood or liked her husband).
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2009 02:39 pm
III.

THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES SHOULD DIRECTLY CONTROL THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL STIMULUS OF OUR ECONOMY.

President Obama and the Congressional majority are approving what they call a "stimulus bill" that taxes at non-uniform rates the dollars of income of private individuals and private organizations. Nowhere in the Constitution is the President or Congress of the USA granted the power to do this. President Obama and the Congressional majority are violating their oaths to support the Constitution of the USA by adoption of their "stimulus bill." By failing to support the Constitution of the USA, the President and the Congressional majority are committing treason against the United States. They are "adhering to the USA's enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Among these enemies are those who seek to overthrow the Constitutional Republic of the USA by replacing it with a socialist republic.

Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article VI. 3rd paragraph. The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

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Article III.Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

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http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article I. Section 8. 1st paragraph. The Congress shall have power
To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=imposts&x=28&y=10

Main Entry: 1im•post

Function: noun

1 : something imposed or levied : TAX, TRIBUTE, DUTY

Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=uniform&x=29&y=8
Main Entry: 1uni•form

Function: adjective
1 : marked by lack of variation, diversity, change in form, manner, worth, or degree : showing a single form, degree, or character in all occurrences or manifestations

2 : marked by complete conformity to a rule or pattern or by similarity in salient detail or practice
: …
3 : marked by unvaried and changeless appearance (as of surface, color, or pattern)

4 : consistent in conduct, character, or effect : lacking in variation, deviation, or unequal or dissimilar operation <the constitution has conferred on Congress the right to establish a uniform rule of naturalization …>


Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


LINKS TO THE TEXT OF THE STIMULUS BILL:
http://www.propublica.org/special/stimulus-plan-taxcut-list
http://www.propublica.org/article/download-the-stimulus-bill-090213

SOLUTION

If we must accumulate trillions more in debt to get us out of our current economic mess, then instead of the government spending us into debt its way, let's do it ourselves our way by reducing federal taxes to a uniform rate, and by trusting the people to spend their own money more wisely, efficiently, and effectively than the government is capable of doing on their behalf.

When reducing taxes let’s replace the current tax system with a uniform flat tax, a single tax on each and every dollar of gross income. That way every American carries his own weight and pays his fair share of the cost of the benefits of our government securing our constitutional rights. Let’s eliminate all exemptions, deductions, paybacks, or refunds, except deductions for gifts to a qualified charity not totaling more than 99% of gross income. A qualified charity shall be any individual or organization that does NOT pay back any amount of the charity to the donor, and is NOT part of the donor’s family: that is, NOT the donor’s spouse, former spouse, offspring, sibling, parent, grandparent, great grandparent, uncle, aunt, or first cousin.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2009 02:56 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, Why don't you inform Obama and congress that they're breaking the laws of the land? ROFL
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 16 Feb, 2009 05:49 pm
@JTT,
You sure love to throw the term "war criminal" around, dont you.

Tell us, who were we at war with when you accuse REagan of being a war criminal?
What war crimes did he commit?

Dont just throw around stupid accusations, provide proof of your statement, if you can.
 

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