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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:25 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
We only went after it because it was there though we did do very good things with it.


Multiple that statement? OK.. Sounds good to me. What is your problem? Do you not have any faith in your fellow citizens to use the grants correctly?
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:26 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:

No I have read only some of it. But if you say you could read it in 3 hours I'm sure you have and can very competently explain exactly what is in it and answer all the questions I have about it. Yes?


The problem is that you aren't asking questions Fox. You are making accusations that are ignorant since you have no basis to make those accusations.
okie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:28 pm
I have heard too, that for some of the spending, there is simply not sufficient infrastructure to spend the money. So how alot of the money is spent is going to be a boondoggle, no question. Of course, Obama asserts there will be safeguards and openness created for all of this. Sure, just like he promised alot of other things if elected. If this money is spent wisely and efficiently, it will be the first time in history that has happened with the government handing out money like this.
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:28 pm
@parados,
I just asked you a question. A real question with a question mark at the end of it and everything. So can you answer it? You surely have read the whole thing by how since it only takes three hours and all.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:31 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Are Senators incapable of reading at even a reasonable rate of speed?

The Senate vote was held open for over 5 hours. As stated already, the bill can be read in about 3.

Reading it and figuring out the implications of what it says is something else. And I doubt 3 hours. Have you read it all?

And what about the House?

What was the rush? Alot of the spending does not kick in until before the next election.
parados
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:44 pm
@Foxfyre,
Foxfyre wrote:



So who gets the neighborhood development grants? What is the criteria they will use to decide that? Who gets to decide that? And what accountability will those receiving those grants have to show that we got bang for our bucks?


What neighborhood development grants?

There are moneys set aside for communities under several different categories but nothing specific for "neighborhood development".

For instance there are funds for community health and wellness programs that are administered by existing health organizations

But you are probably referring to the community development programs.
First allocated funds under that program are to be used under the 1974 Housing and Urban Devolpment Act.
Second allocated funds are to be distributed under the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 and used specifically for redevelopment of abandoned and foreclosed homes.

There are about 4 pages laying out how funds can be used under that section.

Accountability is through the audits and oversight I already told you was in the first 30 pages.
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parados
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 07:45 pm
@okie,
What?

Much of the spending ends in 2010.

Get a clue okie.


Also the provisions that require quick use of money allows reallocation if a project that gets the money is not started within a year.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 08:14 pm
@parados,
okie seems to miss most of the clues available to the average citizen. He always sees all the negatives of the current administration even though they've been in office for less than a month; he expects miracles. His standards for GW Bush was just the opposite; even as Bush destroyed our country in so many ways. (I've lost count.)
okie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 09:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
If the government could oversee anything, they could have proven it with Fannie and Freddie. An utter abysmal failure, guys. Before spending a trillion or two more on garbage projects, I would suggest you guys push for fixing whats broken first. Go call Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorlick, and a few other people, and ask them why they deserved the money, or ask a few politicians why the were paid off? That would be a start, before passing a boondoggle bill so fast that nobody had time to even read it thoroughly and thoroughly vet the spending. This bill is vetted about like alot of Obama's administrative picks, and in a word, its "lousy."

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Feb, 2009 09:21 pm
@okie,
okie, Why should "I" push for anything? Why don't you do it? I have no interest in your proposals to fix anything. Since you're the one having problems with Obama and his activities, you should be the one to "fix it."
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 01:46 am
I am pleased to report that we have reached an important milestone for American conservatism in 2008 and beyond. It is ... (drum roll) ...

The GOP Problem Solver!!!

All our problems are now solved. End of thread. See ya!
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 02:58 am
I wanna know why Obama was in Chicago for the weekend.
He surely couldnt have been on anything remotely like a vacation, was he?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 04:28 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
I wanna know why Obama was in Chicago for the weekend.
He surely couldnt have been on anything remotely like a vacation, was he?


It was/is his first trip home since his inauguration. According to reports, he enjoyed a Valentine's Day dinner in Chicago, had amorning workout at an apartment building near his home, ...

In December, Obama told the Chicago Tribune that he planned to return to Chicago every six or eight weeks.


I hope, this helps, mm. But it's all online as well.
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:25 am
I knew Reagan when he was the head of SAG, and I one of my closest friends in Laguna Beach was high up in the Nixon administration. My neighbor down the street in the Hollywood Hills organized the part for Reagan's winning the post. The Savings and Loan bailout was orchestrated mainly by influences of George the 1st, Jebb and those two administrations. George II was too busy drinking, carousing, and snorting coke. The S & L's were already in trouble when Nixon was being run out of office. It didn't help that the public was in a generally hurt mood, international banks were not looking upon the US as trustworthy, the oil producing companies decided this was a good time to take some pot-shots are our economy and Reagan/Bush Sr. eventually bailing out the S & L's while they waged a CIA phantom war in South America. John McCain had squeaked by getting jail time for "hob-knobbing" with his S & L buddies. Wish I could give you more details, but the sources are still alive and I agreed to not go into too much detail nor mention any of their names.

Good luck on your illusions, conservatives, at you still sit there and think, mostly sit.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:26 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I was going to write: Hint, hint, he still has a home there. He hasn't sold it.

BTW, Senators and Congressmen who rant that nobody has read the entire bail-out bill but managed to come up with Red Herrings like "money for Mickey Mouse," have aides in their offices, some of them interns, who read the entirety of bills and bascially give them the
"juicy parts." They haven't read the entire bill, either, but they'll vote against it based on what their elves have found in it.

For all those who think they know what goes on in Washington, I think you have more familiar understanding of a bettery operated sex toy. I doubt being able to program a DMR or DVR.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:48 am
@Lightwizard,
Quote:
I was going to write: Hint, hint, he still has a home there. He hasn't sold it.


But he is the President now.
He shouldnt be going home every 6-8 weeks, taking those mini vacations.
He needs to stay in DC at the White House and only go on anything even remotely looking like a vacation once a year.

After all, Bush never sold his ranch in Crawford, and you on the left excoriated him every time he went there.
Whats the difference now?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 07:51 am
@mysteryman,
How many days did Bush spent in Crawford, you said? And when did he leave Washington for it the first time for how long?

But I'm glad to hear that conservatives consider the President has to stay in White House, all time, and only there.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 09:02 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
After all, Bush never sold his ranch in Crawford, and you on the left excoriated him every time he went there.
Whats the difference now?

The number of days off. But I guess you knew that.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 09:04 am
@Thomas,
I read somewhere that Bush II took more days of vacation than any president in history before him. I understand the record he broke was held by Ronald Reagan.

Not sure of this...but I did read it somewhere.

Anyone know for sure?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Feb, 2009 09:04 am
@Thomas,
And perhaps the choice of restaurant on Valentine's Day
Quote:

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