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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
genoves
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 01:05 am
I do have a candidate that falls under the definition of racism when his statements are examined.

He said:

"The Father of the white race(Mr. Yakub) made a race of people( white) to make war against the righteous( black man) and to bring him into subjection...Everywhere the white man may be, even in Europe, the earth belongs to the black man. The rule must be restored to the Black People for they are the owners of the earth. We believe that intermarriage or race mixing should be prohibited"

whose words are those?

Why none other than the leaders of the Black Muslims in Am erica--E lijah Muhammed.

Now those words fall under the definition of racism!!!
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 07:56 am
@genoves,
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Now, I am asking both Frank Apisa and Cyclopitchorn to put their money where their mouths are and give evidence that 'conservative racists in 2008 made statemtents that fell EXACTLY under the two definitions above.


I don't have to...I am willing instead to acknowledge that conservatives are smart enough to cloak their agenda so that the racists can see, by the overall thrust of the agenda, that their needs and wants are met much, much better by the conservative agenda than by the centrist or liberal stances without overtly articulating the racism.

Look...in many ways, Foxfyre is correct. My hatred and loathing for American conservatism has gotten to the point of being irrational...at least, insofar as I no longer even bother with specifics.

I do know this, however: Racism in this country has always been exemplified by the white southerner. Not every white southerner is a racist...not by a long shot. But any objective look at history reveals that Jim Crow and racism was part and parcel of the American south for a very long time; and anyone who does not see the lasting implications for southern whites today is simply being selectively blind.

Southern whites vote Republican and hold themselves out to be conservatives by staggering margins.


It is not an accident...even though you folks want to portray it as such. '

And the laughable attempts to make the liberals and the Democrats more racist than the conservatives and Republicans...are a joke.

But, like I said, Foxfyre is right about the irrationality...and I am not all that interested in bucking my irrationality up against conservative irrationality, rationalization, and selective blindness...so perhaps I ought to limit the number of times I mention my loathing for this ugly sore...this cancer called American conservatism...infecting our body politic.

I'll truly try to do so.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 10:46 am
@genoves,
This brings to mind a gathering with McCain during the campaign when a woman said that Obama was an Arab. McCain had to explain that Obama was not an Arab, and a good (decent) family man...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:34 am
From a MAC perspective, the current stimulus bill in Congress is downright horrifying in its irresponsibility and in the massive power that it assigns to the government.

Following are three articles:

1) Illustrates that we don’t have a clue what we are buying, but the Obama disciples are willing to be meek, trusting sheep for now and they refuse to heed either the alarm bells being sounded nor brook any criticism of their shepherds.

Quote:
Originally posted: February 4, 2009
Daley refuses to release stimulus project list
Dan Mihalopoulos

Mayor Richard Daley said today Chicago has compiled a wish list of "shovel-ready projects" to spend federal economic stimulus funds on should Congress approve a plan.

Unlike hundreds of other cities, however, Daley said Chicago won't make its list public.

"Yes, we do, we have our list, we've been talking to people. We did not put that out publicly because once you start putting it out publicly, you know, the newspapers, the media is going to be ripping it apart," Daley said.
"It's very controversial. Yes, we have ready projects from the Board of Education to the City Colleges to the Park District to the CTA and the city of Chicago. Oh yes. Us and New York decided not to do that. We thought we could go directly into the federal bureaucracies and the different departments," the mayor added.

Later, Daley was asked why he wasn't being more transparent.

"Read some of your newspapers. Heh heh," he replied.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2009/02/daley-refuses-to-release-stimulus-project-list.html


2) I posted the following on A Lone Voice’s thread this morning. http://able2know.org/topic/128652-9#post-3563838
Charles Krauthammer is no kind of ideologue, but he does have a clear vision and keen perception of the American scene and he exposes the hypocrisy we are seeing demonstrated by our elected leaders:
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The Fierce Urgency of Pork
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, February 6, 2009; A17

"A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe."
-- President Obama, Feb. 4.

Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared "we have chosen hope over fear." Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill.

And so much for the promise to banish the money changers and influence peddlers from the temple. An ostentatious executive order banning lobbyists was immediately followed by the nomination of at least a dozen current or former lobbyists to high position. Followed by a Treasury secretary who allegedly couldn't understand the payroll tax provisions in his 1040. Followed by Tom Daschle, who had to fall on his sword according to the new Washington rule that no Cabinet can have more than one tax delinquent.

The Daschle affair was more serious because his offense involved more than taxes. As Michael Kinsley once observed, in Washington the real scandal isn't what's illegal, but what's legal. Not paying taxes is one thing. But what made this case intolerable was the perfectly legal dealings that amassed Daschle $5.2 million in just two years.

He'd been getting $1 million per year from a law firm. But he's not a lawyer, nor a registered lobbyist. You don't get paid this kind of money to instruct partners on the Senate markup process. You get it for picking up the phone and peddling influence.

At least Tim Geithner, the tax-challenged Treasury secretary, had been working for years as a humble international civil servant earning non-stratospheric wages. Daschle, who had made another cool million a year (plus chauffeur and Caddy) for unspecified services to a pal's private equity firm, represented everything Obama said he'd come to Washington to upend.

And yet more damaging to Obama's image than all the hypocrisies in the appointment process is his signature bill: the stimulus package. He inexplicably delegated the writing to Nancy Pelosi and the barons of the House. The product, which inevitably carries Obama's name, was not just bad, not just flawed, but a legislative abomination.

It's not just pages and pages of special-interest tax breaks, giveaways and protections, one of which would set off a ruinous Smoot-Hawley trade war. It's not just the waste, such as the $88.6 million for new construction for Milwaukee Public Schools, which, reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, have shrinking enrollment, 15 vacant schools and, quite logically, no plans for new construction.

It's the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs) are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an immediate job-creating stimulus -- and then throwing into it hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish. He said.

Not just to abolish but to create something new -- a new politics where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy. That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the "fierce urgency of now" includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and farm-raised fish) insurance.

The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal, pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting "planted" for "ready to market" would mean a windfall garnered from a new "bonus depreciation" incentive.

After Obama's miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that all presidents tell -- and that this president told better than anyone.

I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half weeks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020502766_pf.html


And 3): This e-mail has been circulating with some regularity this week. I do not know its origin and did not check out the contents so some may be in error, but most of the issues cited in it I have seen cited in other sources. But if any of it is true--and we can be pretty sure that at least much or most of it is--it should ignite hot fury in the heart of anyone who calls himself/herself a MAC:

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Surely, this is what Obama promised: Redestribution of your wealth to Congressional Democrats!
Obama Democrats: by the numbers

$34,000: the amount of federal taxes that Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner (D) failed to pay during his employment at the International Monetary Fund despite receiving extra compensation and explanatory brochures that described his tax liabilities.

$75,000: the amount of money that the head of the powerful tax-writing committee, Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY), was forced to report on his taxes after the discovery that he had not reported income from a Costa Rican rental property. His excuses for the failure started with blaming his wife, then his accountant and finally the fact that he didn't speak Spanish.
$93,000: the amount of petty cash each Congressional representative voted to give themselves in January 2009 during the height of an economic meltdown.

$133,900: the amount Fannie Mae "invested" in Chris Dodd (D-CT), head of the powerful Senate Banking Committee, presumably to repel oversight of the GSE prior to its meltdown. Said meltdown helped touch off the current economic crisis. In only a few years time, Fannie also "invested" over $105,000 in then-Senator Barack Obama.

$140,000: the amount of back taxes and interest that Cabinet nominee Tom Daschle (D) was forced to cough up after the vetting process revealed significant, unexplained tax liabilities.

$356,000: the approximate amount of income and deductions that Daschle (D) was forced to report on his amended 2005 and 2007 tax returns after being caught cheating on his taxes. This includes $255,256 for the use of a car service, $83,333 in unreported income, and $14,963 in charitable contributions.

$800,000: the amount of "sweetheart" mortgages Senate Banking Chairman Chris Dodd (D-CT) received from Countrywide Financial, the details for which he has refused to release details despite months of promises to do so. Countrywide was once the nation's largest mortgage lender and linked to Government-Sponsored Entities like Fannie Mae and Freddi! e Mac. Their meltdown precipitated the current financial crisis. Just days ago in Pennsylvania, Countrywide was forced to pay $150,000,000 in mortgage assistance following "a state investigation that concluded that Countrywide relaxed its underwriting standards to sell risky loans to consumers who did not understand them and could not afford them."

$1,000,000: the estimated amount of donations by Denise Rich, wife of fugitive Marc Rich, to Democrat interests and the William J. Clinton Foundation in an apparent quid pro quo deal that resulted in a pardon for Mr. Rich. The ! pardon was reviewed and blessed by Obama Attorney General and then Deputy AG Eric Holder, despite numerous requests by government officials to turn it down.

$12,000,000: the amount of TARP money provided to community bank OneUnited despite the fact that it did not qualify for funds, and was "under attack from its regulators for allegations of poor lending practices and executive-pay abuses." It turns out that Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA), a key contributor to the Fannie Mae meltdown, just happens to be married to one of the bank's ex-directors.

$23,500,000: The upper range of net worth Rep. Allan Mollohan (D-WV) accumulated in four years time according to The Washington Post through earmarks of "tens of millions of dollars to groups associated with his own business partners."

$2,000,000,000: ($2 billion) the approximate amount of money that House Appropriations Chairman David Obey (D-WI) is earmarking related to his son's lobbying efforts. Craig Obey is "a top lobbyist for the nonprofit group" that would receive a roughly $2 billion component of the "Stimulus" package.

$3,700,000,000: ($3.7 billion) not to be outdone, this is the estimated value of various defense contracts awarded to a company controlled by the husband of Rep. Diane Feinstein (D-CA). Despite an obvious conflict-of-i! nterest as "a member of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee, Sen. Feinstein voted for appropriations worth billions to her husband's firms ."

$4,190,000,000: ($4.19 billion) the amount of money in the so-called "Stimulus" package devoted to fraudulent voter registration ACORN group under the auspices of "Community Stabilization Activities". ACORN is currently the subject of a RICO suit in Ohio.

$1,646,000,000,000 ($1.646 trillion): the approximate amount of annual United States exports endangered by the "Stimulus" package, which provides a "Buy American" stricture. According to international trade experts, a "US-EU trade war looms", which c! ould re sult in a worldwide economic depression reminiscent of that touched off by the protectionist Smoot-Hawley Act.


And though this e-mail was obviously targeted at Democrats, we could almost certainly compile a list of errant Republican sins too.

MACs don't care who it is that is irresponsible, corrupt, incompetent, or self-serving at tax payer expense. But they know that if the country doens't wake up soon and deal with it, we could see so much erosion of what has made America great that we may not be able to recover it in our lifetime if ever.

For backup let's add a fourth perspective:

Quote:
CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
Stephen Dinan (Contact)
Wednesday, February 4, 2009

President Obama's economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.

CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing.

CBO estimates that by 2019 the Senate legislation would reduce GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.3 percent on net. [The House bill] would have similar long-run effects, CBO said in a letter to Sen. Judd Gregg, New Hampshire Republican, who was tapped by Mr. Obama on Tuesday to be Commerce Secretary.
MORE HERE:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:36 am
@Foxfyre,
Except for your "MAC perspective," I agree this stimulus package is too heavy on social programs over job creation.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:46 am
@cicerone imposter,
Congress has failed on two important points on this stimulus plan; 1) adding too much non-job producing "pork" in the bill, and 2) delaying this stimulus plan while our country goes into a spiral of losing jobs by hundreds of thousands every month.

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Jobless rate 7.6 pct; 598K job cuts most since '74
WASHINGTON " Recession-battered employers eliminated 598,000 jobs in January, the most since the end of 1974, and catapulted the unemployment rate to 7.6 percent. The grim figures were further proof that the nation's job climate is deteriorating at an alarming clip with no end in sight.


This country is bleeding jobs and lives. What's the matter with congress? Can't they see the pain?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:50 am
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
MACs don't care who it is that is irresponsible, corrupt, incompetent, or self-serving at tax payer expense. But they know that if the country doens't wake up soon and deal with it, we could see so much erosion of what has made America great that we may not be able to recover it in our lifetime if ever.


Sounds good! Sounds almost impartial as to blame.

But if conservatives had been of this mindset during the last eight years, we probably wouldn't be in the position we are in.

In any case, we may already be at a place where we will NOT be able to recover in our life times or ever. I wish Obama lots of luck...but it may already be too late.

The fact that the people who applauded the administration and moves that got us into this horrible position...are now the people deciding they know how best to deal with the devastation...is laughable.

Many empires have fallen. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Romans, the French, Spanish, English...and maybe it is our turn.

But we are at the precipice because of what American conservatives have done to our country"and for them to presume to trash the methods now being used to try to get us out of the mess...is presumptuous on a galactic scale.

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:51 am
If MACs had been in charge, I can guarantee you that we would NOT be in the mess we are in now.

Unfortunately the liberals, RINOs, and CINOs held the majority and we had a President without the ability of a Reagan to go over their heads straight to the people.

I am very much afraid that we have a more eloquent Obama with better rhetoric but no more ability to withstand an out-of-control and irresponsible Congress and who shares some of the more dangerous goals of the Congress we have.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 11:54 am
@Frank Apisa,
The conservatives trying to "save" 100 billion from this stimulus plan is not worth the pain being experienced by thousands of Americans losing their jobs and home. If they want to play "politics," they can do so after approving this imperfect plan to get our people back to some level of sustenance and confidence. What are they waiting for? The hole is now deep enough to drown everybody.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:02 pm
Frank Apisa,
I understand that you think (1) most racists are Conservatives, and therefore (2) most Conservatives are racists. I would be very happy to learn that I am wrong.

You appear to me to base (1) on the number of those racists you know or know about.

If I were to adopt what appears to me to be your thinking, I would think that most racists are Liberals, because most of the Liberals I know about are racists. The most frequent demonstration of that to me have been the past accusations by Liberals that blacks like Herman Caine, Colin Powell, Jessie Peterson, Condalessa Rice, Shelby Steel, Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, and Walter E. Williams are "uncle toms". That "uncle toms" epithet is of course equating these contemporary black Conservatives with those blacks who were loyal to slave holders 143 years ago. Now that is really disgusting racism!

You appear to me to base (2) on the fact that some Conservatives are racists.

If I were to adopt what appears to me to be your thinking, I would think most Liberals are racists, because some Liberals are racists.

What I have encountered on this thread are too many Liberals who slander Conservatives and too many Conservatives who respond by slandering Liberals.

By the way, I would prefer for our president anyone of those blacks I listed above to either Barack Obama, Joseph Biden, or John McCain.


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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:11 pm
@Foxfyre,
That really doesn't wash, Foxfyre.

One...Ronald Reagan did more harm to this country than any of the presidents before him...and almost as much as the pathetic incompetent who just held the office. Reagan tripled our national debt...and set us on the course that took us to where we are.

The "trickle" down nonsense was, as George Bush mentioned, voodoo economics.

We owe much of our present disaster to Ronald Reagan.

Two...I think most of us are tired of conservatives bemoaning that not-real-conservatives were the ones at fault. If the conservatives of America hadn't put them into positions of power...they wouldn't have had the opportunity to do the massive damage they have done.

We've got a guy in there trying to straighten things out. It is an horrendous undertaking...and quite frankly, may be an impossible task.

But for the people who put the people in power who got us into this mess to suggest that they know best how to correct it...is absurd.

Respectfully as possible, Foxfyre...it is absurd!
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:27 pm
They all try to straighten things out Frank. We have never elected a president who wanted to be recorded as a failure in the history books. Ronald Reagan didn't. George H.W. Bush didn't. Bill Clinton didn't. George W. Bush didn't. And Barack Obama doesn't.

But each made their share of mistakes and blunders while in office and President Obama, in my opinion, is trying to make a huge mistake here, one that may have more negative consequences than all those before him combined.

Of course you despise Reagan because he is the closest thing to a pure MAC that we've had as President in the last 30 years, but as you have already admitted that your perspective is rooted in prejudice rather than on any rational criteria that you can articulate, there isn't any point in discussing that.

For the same reason there is no point in discussing your inability to recognize that MACs are a particular kind of 'conservative' and they have been in short supply in in our government for the last eight years and THAT is why we are in the current mess we are in.

If MAC principles as already defined in this thread had been implemented and/or enforced over the last thirty years, we would not be in the mess we are in now. If MAC principles would be used to address the current economic 'crisis', we would be much more likely to fix the problems with maximum expediency and with the least amount of unnecessary pain.

But so long as prejudice and finger pointing and blame and trash talk controls the discussion here, we won't ever get to the issues that we should be discussing.

Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:29 pm
Ican summed up my wordy comments with this:
Quote:
What I have encountered on this thread are too many Liberals who slander Conservatives and too many Conservatives who respond by slandering Liberals.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The so-called "stimulus plan" emulates the past failed policies of FDR and Jimmy Carter. The entire proposed plan should be replaced by something that will actually help "to get our people some level of sustenance and confidence."

First, let's examine Fanny & Freddy & Ginny--yes, I know that y I wrote at the end of each name is actually an ie. Everyone of them should be shut down and whatever assets they actually have should be auctioned off.

Second, all federal loans to companies should be auctioned off.

Third, use the income from these auctions to finance federal unemployment insurance.

Fourth, replace the current tax system with a truly uniform tax system as required by the Constitution of the USA, Article I, Section 8, 1st paragraph.

Fifth, drastically reduce current federal spending on federal gifts to individuals and companies other than auction financed unemployment insurance.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:41 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank wrote:
Quote:
One...Ronald Reagan did more harm to this country than any of the presidents before him...and almost as much as the pathetic incompetent who just held the office. Reagan tripled our national debt...and set us on the course that took us to where we are.


One of the biggest irony of the conservatives support of (their hero) Reagan's policies is that he implemented the biggest tax hike in 1982. Ironies seem to miss the conservatives and their rhetoric.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:46 pm
@Foxfyre,
Quote:
Of course you despise Reagan because he is the closest thing to a pure MAC that we've had as President in the last 30 years, but as you have already admitted that your perspective is rooted in prejudice rather than on any rational criteria that you can articulate, there isn't any point in discussing that.


I do not despise him. I think he was a decent guy...and he managed to get the country feeling good about itself. But I think he was incompetent...and I think he did great harm to our country. There is a difference.

I thought I've given some excellent reasons why I think he did great harm to our country. You simply will never accept anything of that sort...you just arbitrarily dismiss it.

While he was in office, he presided over the TRIPLING of our national debt!

That is a pretty big thing!

He also began the nonsense, whether inadvertently or not, that government was the problem...and not part of the solution.

Why anybody who subscribes to that drivel would want to be in charge of the government is unfathomable.


Quote:
For the same reason there is no point in discussing your inability to recognize that MACs are a particular kind of 'conservative' and they have been in short supply in in our government for the last eight years and THAT is why we are in the current mess we are in.


Well...that could be...I'll give you that.

I am beginning to suspect there are only two of you...you and Ican...and sometimes, from your comments, I think perhaps you are not all that sure of Ican.

In any case, some form of conservatives were in office...and we went into the dumpster. There is no getting around that.


Quote:
If MAC principles as already defined in this thread had been implemented and/or enforced over the last thirty years, we would not be in the mess we are in now. If MAC principles would be used to address the current economic 'crisis', we would be much more likely to fix the problems with maximum expediency and with the least amount of unnecessary pain.


Perhaps...and perhaps not.

You don't really know.

If they had been in place...we might be in worse shape.

No way to know.

But Obama has been elected to get us out of the hole conservatives got us into...and I am wishing him all the success in the world.


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:52 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Before GW Bush, Reagan took more vacation days than any president before him. Reagan's only strength was his ability to "communicate," and the American people ate it up (like jelly belly candy). LOL
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
It is amazing, isn't it, c. i.

These good folk do not realize they are being taken for a ride.

Bush, Reagan...most vacation time.

Bush, Reagan...largest increases in the federal debt of any presidents.

Term limits....only when the Democrats are in office...when the Republicans are in office...it does not even get discussed.

Smaller government...yeah, sure!
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 12:59 pm
@Frank Apisa,
What galls me the most is how many of the same conservatives are rating Obama as a "loser" after less than three weeks in office. They have taken leave of their common sense (and that's if they had any to begin with).
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 6 Feb, 2009 01:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
This is how GW Bush handled the first bailout monies to AIG and citi bank:

Quote:
AIG and Citi deals gave Treasury least value

By David Lawder David Lawder " Fri Feb 6, 10:17 am ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) " The Treasury Department bank bailout program received the least value from its investments in the most troubled surviving institutions -- American International Group and Citigroup, a new report from a watchdog panel showed on Friday.

The Congressional Oversight Panel report said the Treasury overpaid financial institutions by about $78 billion in its capital injections last year through the Troubled Asset Relief Program.

It paid $254 billion in 2008 in return for stocks and warrants worth $176 billion under the Troubled Asset Relief Program.


Congress doesn't understand nor make the right decisions when they throw money at problems, and they are still in that incompetence mode of creating a stimulus plan that spends too much on social programs over the creation of jobs. After they have overpaid $78 billion last year, they're fighting to "save" 100 billion from a stimulus plan that's in dire need of being approved yesterday.
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