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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:30 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

The worst part of any presidential campaign is actually listening to the candidates. They drone on, endlessly, repeating the same talking points in the same stump speeches, for months. Many of them are very poor public speakers. Most of them, actually. And then, there are their jokes.
Absolutely. Great example last campaign was Obama and his silly and inane shouting of change and hope, with no substance, interrupted with more "Uhhhs', "Errrs," and that is an interesting question, blah blah, blah.""""" It was sickening. I am still totally mystified why the press trumped this cheap Chicago politician with a highly murky past as a great speaker after one lousy DNC speech???? If anyone ever has a good answer, let me know. One theory is that George Soros abandoned Hillary in favor of Obama's band wagon to their commonly held goal of one world order socialism, which makes as much sense as anything else.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:37 am
@okie,
That speech he gave at the DNC in 2004 is superior to any you'll ever give in your life, Okie. And you know it.

If you met Obama in person, you'd stammer and stutter and **** up whatever you wanted to say to him. I can't take your armchair criticisms of his speaking style seriously.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
okie never has content that can be supported by facts or evidence, and he has the chutzpah to criticize the president on his speeches. That's not only blind and ignorant, he lives in a different abnormal world.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
I live in reality. I do not live in the illusionary morass of Obama speak and standing in his line for more koolaid, which is we can all have "something for nothing." Not only is the koolaid empty promises, but it will cause us only more harm.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:48 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

That speech he gave at the DNC in 2004 is superior to any you'll ever give in your life, Okie. And you know it.Cycloptichorn
I am not an orator. Regardless, I watched the speech and listened carefully, and I was totally unimpressed. Michael Steele gave a far superior speech at the RNC that same year. His had substance and reality, and he related to what I believe about America. Obama did not. He struck me as con artist.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:48 am
@okie,
okie wrote:

I live in reality. I do not live in the illusionary morass of Obama speak and standing in his line for more koolaid, which is we can all have "something for nothing." Not only is the koolaid empty promises, but it will cause us only more harm.


What do you mean, 'something for nothing?' When has he ever said that?

The truth is the opposite. Obama has clearly stated that the things we want cost money and we ought to be willing to pay taxes for them.

I think you are confusing him with Bush - Wars which cost nothing to the taxpayer, no sacrifice. Medicare part D, not paid for. Giant tax cuts, not paid for. Homeland security, not paid for. Massive expansion of the military, not paid for. Bush didn't pay for ANYTHING he did. Never a single admission from your side, though, that you cheerleaded this debt on the entire way. Fought for it.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:54 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Fought for bigger tax cuts for the rich; all while not admitting that Bush increased the debt by the biggest amounts during his presidency.

okie is just plain blind and dumb to reality.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 10:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
Three paragraphs from the NYT on conservative candidates for 2012.

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While it may not be unusual for voters’ attention to be focused elsewhere at this stage of a campaign, the survey at the very least provides a reality check for a race that has received frenetic coverage at times on cable news and the Internet even though nearly 60 percent of Republicans cannot point to a single candidate about whom they are enthusiastic, according to the Times/CBS poll.

A host of potential Republican candidates have a lot of work ahead — and money to spend — to make themselves better known to their party faithful and other Americans.

For instance, former Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota may be drawing media attention as a Republican presidential contender, but nearly 80 percent of Republican respondents to the Times/CBS poll said they did not know enough about him to say whether they viewed him favorably or unfavorably (of those who do have an opinion, 20 percent say they view him positively and 3 percent say they view him negatively).
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 03:30 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
What do you mean, 'something for nothing?' When has he ever said that?Cycloptichorn
Of course he wil never say those exact words. You need to be smart enough and honest enough to interpret who he is and what his policies attempt to do. For example, Obamacare or his ultimate aim, single payer health care, the implication is that everyone will be taken care of without it costing the government or people anything at all. It was a total pack of lies from the very beginning. Also just basic philosophy, he does not believe in free market capitalism, but instead in more socialism, and anyone with common sense knows the success of this country is foundationed upon freedom and free markets, not more and more socialism. In fact, the socialistic programs we already have are threatening to bankrupt us into oblivion, and will unless we do something meaningfull to prevent it.

What in the world do you think Obama was hollering about during his entire campaign regarding hope and change? I can tell you it wasn't about loving America and improving what we already have in terms of the tremendous tradition of success, which is confidence in the people. His confidence was in government and it still is, and will remain until we sweep him and his ilk out of office in future elections.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 03:45 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
What do you mean, 'something for nothing?' When has he ever said that?Cycloptichorn
Of course he wil never say those exact words. You need to be smart enough and honest enough to interpret who he is and what his policies attempt to do. For example, Obamacare or his ultimate aim, single payer health care, the implication is that everyone will be taken care of without it costing the government or people anything at all.


Untrue! This is 100% false and nobody who is a supporter of Single-payer has EVER claimed that it wouldn't cost anyone anything.

What are you basing your 'implication' on? I know a lot about Single-payer HC and nobody believes or says what you say here.

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It was a total pack of lies from the very beginning.


This is bullshit, you're saying that your 'implication' isn't true, but nobody is implying that.

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Also just basic philosophy, he does not believe in free market capitalism, but instead in more socialism, and anyone with common sense knows the success of this country is foundationed upon freedom and free markets, not more and more socialism. In fact, the socialistic programs we already have are threatening to bankrupt us into oblivion, and will unless we do something meaningfull to prevent it.


The people of the country - including Republicans - love both Medicare and SS and don't want to see them cut. You ought to have the guts to acknowledge that both of these programs receive majority support constantly in every poll, and attempts to cut them usually fail badly.

That being said, the 'free market' is doing fantastic under Obama; profits are through the roof, all over the place, and many companies are posting their highest profits and highest dividends ever. So, yeah; once again, you are repeating lies here.

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What in the world do you think Obama was hollering about during his entire campaign regarding hope and change? I can tell you it wasn't about loving America and improving what we already have in terms of the tremendous tradition of success, which is confidence in the people. His confidence was in government and it still is, and will remain until we sweep him and his ilk out of office in future elections.


He was getting people excited about changing away from the idiocy of the Bush administration, and a new way of doing things. Which is exactly what we've seen. You just don't like it because you are a lifetime supporter of that idiocy, and as has been shown above, you don't give a **** about the facts - when they get in the way of a good slur.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 08:05 pm
@H2O MAN,
Liberals are and will become more and more hysterical as their chosen messiahs prove they are frauds, and as upcoming elections prepare to sweep them aside.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 08:20 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Liberals are and will become more and more hysterical as their chosen messiahs prove they are frauds, and as upcoming elections prepare to sweep them aside.


Do you really think that is what is going to happen?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:00 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
The only one hysterical is okie with his doomsday forecasts about Obama and this country.

Jobs are being added as we speak, and college grads are seeing more opportunities at job fairs at their campus and companies.

If this can be considered "fraud," I wonder how other conservatives are reacting to the improvement in our economy?

And BTW, the market hit its highest level since 2008.

Yup, doomsday.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:09 pm
@okie,
Maybe when you open your eyes to the evil that is the Koch Brothers, you will stop harping on George Soros, a sort of bogeyman under your bed.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:12 pm
@okie,
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I live in reality


Anyone who writes the inane things you write here while worshipping at the altar of what you think is common sense does not live in the real world.

It would be nice if you lived in the world of magical realism because then your posts would be interesting and readable. The only time your posts are interesting is when, like this one, they are unintentionally humorous.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:16 pm
@okie,
Quote:
Liberals are and will become more and more hysterical as their chosen messiahs prove they are frauds, and as upcoming elections prepare to sweep them aside.


That is not true. Last week, I posted a piece on the liberal brain v. the conservative brain. The areas in which panic originates are more fully developed in the conservative brain. That means that conservatives are more likely to "become . . .hysterical."
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 09:58 pm
This is an interesting piece about where people that get the their information and entertainment are on the political scale.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/120368144.html

http://media.jsonline.com/images/103068384_scarbmilwcable.png

The interesting thing is those that lean Republican are less likely to read newspapers and less likely to watch any news source other than Fox.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 11:09 pm
@parados,
Gee, isn't that surprising to see FOX News as far right. Since it only represents Milwaukee, it's not surprising how Walker got into the gov's mansion.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 22 Apr, 2011 02:17 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Hell yes!
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