AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@parados,

parados wrote:

Why are you against the corporate income tax okie?
It is really nothing more than a sales tax since the only people that pay it are the customers that buy the product.

Good question, parados. Because there are foreign based companies or manufacturing that are selling their products cheaper here, because they are not subject to the same tax policies. Thus we are losing lots of business. Simple exercise, go into Walmart and do a survey of products made in the U.S.A. versus other countries.

If we had a retail sailes tax instead of corporate income taxes, all products sold in places like Walmart would be subject to the same taxation. Similarly as an alternate choice to the retail sales tax idea, if we eliminated corporate income tax, domestic corporations should be able to compete better against foreign companies.

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@okie,

Walmart is a US company okie.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

parados wrote:
Why are you against the corporate income tax okie?
It is really nothing more than a sales tax since the only people that pay it are the customers that buy the product.
Good question, parados. Because there are foreign based companies or manufacturing that are selling their products cheaper here, because they are not subject to the same tax policies. Thus we are losing lots of business. Simple exercise, go into Walmart and do a survey of products made in the U.S.A. versus other countries.

Yeah, go right ahead and do that in Walmart. And what you'll see is that the **** in there from other countries generally is of poor quality, with poor construction and poor materials. The truth is that no matter where stuff comes from, you get what you pay for, and when you're paying rock-bottom prices you get rock-bottom quality.

Is that what you really want for America? For us to pump out as many crappy products as china does, so we can remain 'competitive?' That seems to be what you are advocating. Paying someone a fair wage, having a workplace that is safe - do these things just mean nothing to you at all?

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If we had a retail sailes tax instead of corporate income taxes, all products sold in places like Walmart would be subject to the same taxation. Similarly as an alternate choice to the retail sales tax idea, if we eliminated corporate income tax, domestic corporations should be able to compete better against foreign companies.

Those corps barely pay any taxes anyway, not once their accountants are done. And profits are at record highs right now. The idea that they are over-burdened and non-competitive is a joke.

Cycloptichorn

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@mysteryman,

Gawd, are you stupid. I said that he could be accountable. Do you know anything about consequences? Your vocabulary and your ability to do what teachers call "decoding" is poor.

It was a conjecture.

You are incapable of carrying on a discussion. You simply lack the ability to communicate.

It is not a simple yes or no question although you are a simpleton.

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@parados,

You are more clueless than I thought. Do you comprehend what I wrote?

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@okie,

Of course, okie would never admit that there are American firms with dummy offices in buildings across the Caribbean that pretend to have off-shore sites. Why, to admit that US business is corrupt would transgress everything he believes in. P.T. Barnum described okie to a T.

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@okie,

All products sold in the US are subject to taxation in the US. Perhaps you don't comprehend what you wrote.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Wow, cyclops, are you that non-perceptive of reality. Do you ever comparison shop in regard to things like quality and durability, etc. I do not buy stuff based upon price alone. Do you? The entire point of the tax policy is that American companies are being penalized for having to sell higher quality products because there is an uneven playing field in the market. Surely you can comprehend the reasoning I am using here?

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@plainoldme,

plainoldme wrote:

Of course, okie would never admit that there are American firms with dummy offices in buildings across the Caribbean that pretend to have off-shore sites.

That is the point. Tax and other regulatory policies have driven them offshore.

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@parados,

parados wrote:

All products sold in the US are subject to taxation in the US.

Not completely, no, not by any stretch. Sure, they are subject to sales tax, and maybe some import taxes or something, but that is only a minor portion of the whole picture.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Wow, cyclops, are you that non-perceptive of reality. Do you ever comparison shop in regard to things like quality and durability, etc. I do not buy stuff based upon price alone. Do you?

Of course not. But, you're agreeing with what I wrote above.

The fact that you find stores like Wal-mart - which you referred to - full of stuff from other countries isn't the sign of a problem. The reason all the stuff is so cheap is the quality is low and the conditions they are created in are poor compared to our standards.

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The entire point of the tax policy is that American companies are being penalized for having to sell higher quality products because there is an uneven playing field in the market. Surely you can comprehend the reasoning I am using here?

The tax policies aren't why goods from overseas are cheaper. At all. It is a combination of wages, working conditions, and quality standards here in the USA that lead our products to both cost more and generally be of a higher quality.

Many companies in America pay effectively zero tax; how do you factor that into your 'reasoning?' I don't ever see an admission from you that this is the truth.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

I agree with you 100%.

However, POM said that Bush could be held accountable 100 years from now for actions taken or not taken during his administration.

My question to her, and one that she has refused to answer, is does that apply to ALL Presidents, of either political party?

Yes, I mentioned Clinton as my example, but she has refused to answer.
And like I said, its a simple yes or no qestion.
There is no malice behind the question, no hidden agenda, etc.

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

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@okie,

No, okie, you have no idea what you are ranting on about. Let me clue thee in: at a meeting of one of the two departments in which I teach, the women I work with -- all over 30 at the youngest, all with master's degrees or more -- shop at thrift stores. How would you tax products sold at thrifts?

Were I to purchase the same clothes -- $4 cashmere sweaters, $10 Zelda pants, $5 blazers with Adolfo or Talbot's labels -- from their original vendors, then they might be taxed at a rate that would mean something to American coffers. As it is, they do not.

Furthermore, when you consider that my gross income (can you spend your gross, okie?) for 2010 was less than $25,000, and I spent $42/month for 9 months of the year on tolls; $3,000 on real estate taxes and $1,600 on homeowners and auto insurance ($4,978 in total just to drive and maintain a homestead), you know I did not have much left over to spend.

I am not atypical.

Let's see, I spent a total of $870 on wood pellets to heat the house, but there was still gas, electricity, cell phone and internet to pay. Oh, and food, but, I suppose, under your scheme, you would tax that as well. Union dues were about $350.

So, okie, I would think that if you were in my shoes, I would say, having "common sense" that a sales tax is a splendid!

Well, it isn't and a sales tax simply would not support . . . oh, let's see . . . how about the war in Afghanistan in which my son is serving.

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@okie,

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o you ever comparison shop in regard to things like quality and durability, etc.

When I was painting my living room, I went to WalMart simply to check out prices on painting supplies. Guess what? Identical items sold by the independently owned paint and wallpaper store were priced exactly as Walmart priced them. The independent store offered a better variety of goods.

Granted, I did not look at women's clothes, but I have, in the past taken quick looks at Sears, K=Mart and a few other lower end retailers. Frankly, there was nothing suitable to wear to work. PRofessional women are not catered to by lower end stores.

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@okie,

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Tax and other regulatory policies have driven them offshore.

No, okie, their lack of personal responsibility and their cheating and dishonesty drove them off-shore. They are liars and you should not be allowed out alone after dark.

That is one of the ways that the top 1% seized the wealth of this nation and why wages have remained flat for 80% of the work force.

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@mysteryman,

THAT"S BECAUSE I WOULD NEVER HAVE AN INTIMATE CONVERSATION WITH A MORON.

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@plainoldme,

pom, I am not a fan of Walmart. I avoid the store as much as possible. They have loss leaders and selected stuff they sell cheap to get people in the store, but if you are unaware, they will skin you alive on some items's pricing, example some hardware. For hardware, I shop a local store owned locally by a guy that was born and raised here, and he has a reputation of taking care of his customers. He also competes well with Home Depot.

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@okie,

I am hardly unaware.

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@plainoldme,

First of all, I am not a moron.
Your constant name calling only makes you look bad, and does not bother me or affect me at all.

Second, I am not asking for an intimate conversation.
I am asking for a simple yes or no.

Your refusal to provide even that basic response indicates that you are either being very selective in what Presidents can be held accountable for and for how long, or you dont believe your statement and dont want to admit that.

So please stop the evasiveness and the name calling and answer the question.
As I said, it only requires a one word answer.

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@plainoldme,

Speaking of being unaware. I do not use nail polish for several reasons, but, the chief reason is that American nail polish contains carcinogenic chemicals called phthalates. Phthalates make plastics plastic. Phthalates are in plastic toys.

The European Union banned the use of phthalates. China gets around the EU ban by setting up two assembly lines -- one for American bound products containing phthalates and the other for European bound products that are phthalate free.

Your heroes, okie, the American industrialists you will bend over backwards for, are poisoning your grandchildren with phthalates and laughing at you.

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