AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@okie,

You just don't get it, do you?

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@plainoldme,

It would be easier to educate a rock than the big three.

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@RABEL222,

At least a rock has purpose.

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@plainoldme,

Okie get's it, the 3 of you are blind.

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@H2O MAN,

We may be blind, but you're stupid!

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Ah, the Newt Gingrich story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKJtzFq6OQo&feature=feedu

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@plainoldme,

Thats at least as credible as "It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is.

pom, Gingrich is okay as an idea guy, but when he won't be able to win over the moral conservatives, I would have to say he might as well quit before he even starts running. I only had to see his current blonde specimen of a wife to know the guy needs a little help.

I think the Republicans can and will do better than a Gingrich candidacy, but I also think he can contribute to the debates.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Thats at least as credible as "It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is.

pom, Gingrich is okay as an idea guy, but when he won't be able to win over the moral conservatives, I would have to say he might as well quit before he even starts running. I only had to see his current blonde specimen of a wife to know the guy needs a little help.

I think the Republicans can and will do better than a Gingrich candidacy, but I also think he can contribute to the debates.

Who do you think the Republicans will end up nominating?

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

okie wrote:

Thats at least as credible as "It depends upon what the meaning of the word "is" is.

pom, Gingrich is okay as an idea guy, but when he won't be able to win over the moral conservatives, I would have to say he might as well quit before he even starts running. I only had to see his current blonde specimen of a wife to know the guy needs a little help.

I think the Republicans can and will do better than a Gingrich candidacy, but I also think he can contribute to the debates.

Who do you think the Republicans will end up nominating?

Cycloptichorn

The conservative nominee is unclear at this time, but one thing is crystal clear - in order for this
Republic to survive and regain it's former greatness Obama must not be elected to a second term.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Who do you think the Republicans will end up nominating?
Cycloptichorn

I do not honestly know, cyclops, nor do I have a solid guess on which I would place my bets. With that said, I think we have a solid field of several candidates, many of which I believe would make a better president than we currently have.

In the last election cycle, I ended up supporting Mitt Romney, and I still think the guy is a good man with intelligence, balanced judgement, and a temperament appropriate for a president. However, I am going to withhold my opinion and support of him or any other candidate until we've gone through the filtering process of the debates, campaigning, and some of the early primaries.

On the Democrat side, what do you think, will the party go with Obama and his sinking ship, or is there a possibility of Soros and company throwing him overboard in favor of maybe Hillary?

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@okie,

okie uses throw-away phrases like

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many of which I believe would make a better president than we currently have.

And he knows the future GOP president who will do what, exactly? What does he know about the future president compared to Obama? His opinions are knowable before he even states them, because he has no common sense or reality in his world. He can forecast the future; that's total ignorance.

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@okie,

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On the Democrat side, what do you think, will the party go with Obama and his sinking ship, or is there a possibility of Soros and company throwing him overboard in favor of maybe Hillary?

What is this, a joke? Why would they get rid of Obama? He's a popular and successful president, with a strong following, who will beat the crap out of 99% of the people you even have to choose from. That's why there's no clear front-runner for you - they all are lesser than Obama and they and your caucus know it.

Re: the Republican side, you'd better hope it isn't Mitt, because Obama will eat his lunch - and large parts of your own party simply won't support him for two reasons:

1, he's Mormon, and that's just not acceptable to many Fundie Christians
2, the MA health care plan - which was really successful - but led to HC Reform under Obama. Mitt can't properly account for why he was so for it then and so against it now, and he can't speak bad about the plan b/c it's been successful. So he's already fucked on that argument.

Cycloptichorn

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@H2O MAN,

H2O MAN wrote:

The conservative nominee is unclear at this time, but one thing is crystal clear - in order for this
Republic to survive and regain it's former greatness Obama must not be elected to a second term.

Agreed, H2OMAN. One thing we can be very hopeful if not confident in, that the Republican candidate will be distinctly more conservative than President Obama. We desperately need more conservatism applied to our national fiscal crisis, the economy, and other key issues.

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Re: the Republican side, you'd better hope it isn't Mitt, because Obama will eat his lunch -

That is your opinion, but not mine, nor is it of millions of other people. Romney proved he could be a popular and effective governor of a liberal state, which defies the opinion you just wrote.

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and large parts of your own party simply won't support him for two reasons:

1, he's Mormon, and that's just not acceptable to many Fundie Christians

The primary source of Mormon hatred resides in the liberal press and liberal Democrats, the very same people that claim to be non-bigoted, ha ha. Incidentally, I am not a Mormom and I find some of their beliefs a bit different, but I find them to be honorable and patriotic Americans, certainly not deserving of your attitude.

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2, the MA health care plan - which was really successful - but led to HC Reform under Obama. Mitt can't properly account for why he was so for it then and so against it now, and he can't speak bad about the plan b/c it's been successful. So he's already fucked on that argument.
Cycloptichorn

You could use more adult language, cyclops, I think you are capable. I am far more receptive to health care reform by states than I am by the federal government, and I think most Americans would agree with me on that issue. I could go into the obvious reasons, but I won't bore other people with the obvious in an effort to talk sense to you.

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@okie,

okie wrote,

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Agreed, H2OMAN. One thing we can be very hopeful if not confident in, that the Republican candidate will be distinctly more conservative than President Obama.

He doesn't even know who the GOP candidate will be, but he is quite sure that anyone will be better than Obama.

What gall and stupidity!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

okie wrote,
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Agreed, H2OMAN. One thing we can be very hopeful if not confident in, that the Republican candidate will be distinctly more conservative than President Obama.

He doesn't even know who the GOP candidate will be, but he is quite sure that anyone will be better than Obama.

Interesting statement, ci, as you apparently have admitted that "more conservative" would be "better" than what we currently have in Obama.

I have been hearing that "independents" are swinging away from Obama, and what better evidence of it than imposter's postings? After all, imposter claims to be one of those so called "independents."

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@okie,

okie wrote,

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Interesting statement, ci, as you apparently have admitted that "more conservative" would be "better" than what we currently have in Obama.

Yes, and I've identified what those were. What's your problem with that? That says nothing about replacing Obama with a conservative president. The issue of conservatism has many areas of understanding and belief, and so does the liberal meme.

So, I'm picky; sue me!

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Good evening. There was a somewhat interesting article in the NY Times this morning that veered off in a direction I didn't expect. It was, of course, in the Times which immediately makes it suspect, I guess, to some. So be it.
It talked about the Tea Party movement in the heavily Mormon state of Utah and how the various Tea Party groups are heavily dominated by Republican Mormons. The Democrat party in Utah is virtually non-existent, having won no state wide office in a decade and a half.
So we have 3 Mormons in the national spotlight next year: Orrin Hatch (R), seeking his 7th term in the Senate from Utah and Mitt Romney (R), the former gov of MA with roots in Utah and Jon Huntsman (R), a former gov of Utah. The latter two are exploring presidential runs.
"We oppose all three," a Tea Party leader said.
Hatch isn't conservative enough. Romney passed a healthcare overhaul in MA that too closely resembles Obama's. And Huntsman is derided by one Tea Party critic thusly: "On a good day he is a socialist. On a bad day he is a communist."

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@okie,

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I have been hearing that "independents" are swinging away from Obama, and what better evidence of it than imposter's postings

Oh, I dunno, how about actual poll evidence? Which I think you are sadly lacking in, because his numbers have been remarkably steady for over a year now.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

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Independents begin to edge away from President Obama: Politico

In a potentially alarming trend for the White House, independent voters are deserting President Barack Obama nationally and especially in key swing states, recent polls suggest.

Obama’s job approval rating hit a - still healthy - low of 56 percent in the Gallup Poll on Wednesday. And pollsters are debating whether Obama’s expansive and expensive policy proposals or the ground-level realities of a still-faltering economy are driving the falling numbers.

But a source of the shift appears to be independent voters, who seem to be responding to Republican complaints of excessive spending and government control.

I don't find this especially surprising; I've also been more critical of Obama during the past year.

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