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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2010 04:13 pm
@parados,
parados wrote:

Of course okie could just be a pedophile. I'm not making any accusation but I just think there is that possibility.

Aren't baseless accusations that you don't really make fun?
Pathetic comment, parados. How come you are so quick not to suspect the government could be tempted to fudge numbers, when history has shown suspicion of governments to be highly justified. In fact the founders wrote the Bill of Rights principally to protect us from government. But you have no problem accusing a person here, me, of being a pedophile for no reason? You are pretty out of balance, parados.
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The manipulation of GDP data by an administration would be difficult to do and impossible to hide because the next administration would reveal it. People accused Clinton of it but nothing came of it when Bush took office. I'm sure some accused Bush of it but nothing changed when Obama came to office.
What you post here is not much different than what I said, that trying to fudge numbers would not only be dishonest, but a politically risky game to play. But although cooking books is dishonest, it didn't stop Franklin Raines and colleagues at Fannie Mae, did it? And have they been called to account before Congress and prosecuted, parados?
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The way the numbers are calculated have changed. When a change is made, it is announced and the chart will have a note stating you can't compare that number with previous numbers. Ican ignores those notes all the time when he makes claims about the numbers.
When was the last change instituted? Has the Obama administration made any changes in the past 2 years, and if so, how have the changes affected the numbers? Since you seem to be up on this stuff, maybe you can tell us?
parados
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2010 05:08 pm
@okie,
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But although cooking books is dishonest, it didn't stop Franklin Raines and colleagues at Fannie Mae, did it?

Really? Cooking the books? That would be fraud okie. When were they charged with fraud?

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And have they been called to account before Congress and prosecuted, parados?
Congress doesn't prosecute fraud. The Justice Department does. Raines resigned from Fannie in 2004 because of accounting irregularities. Are you saying that the Bush DoJ didn't prosecute Raines for political reasons?

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Has the Obama administration made any changes in the past 2 years, and if so, how have the changes affected the numbers?
No..
Do you have any evidence he did so?

I have as much evidence that okie is a pedophile that you have that Obama has cooked the GDP numbers. But then I'm not making an accusation that okie is a pedophile. I'm just pointing out it is as suspicious as okie feels about Obama.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2010 05:29 pm
@parados,
parados, You have to do much better than that! okie is not only a pedophile, but he's a gangster, and works undercover for the liberals when not in his regular persona of the extreme right conservative. All his family and friends are suspect, and some even committed crimes. It's too bad the justice system failed when GW Bush was president.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2010 05:59 pm
@parados,
You are one sick individual.
parados
 
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Reply Fri 12 Nov, 2010 06:22 pm
@okie,
Why okie? I'm not making any accusation.......
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 13 Nov, 2010 11:59 pm
@ican711nm,
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Remember, the USA is not a democracy in which a majority of the citizens governed by the federal government can dictate to the minority


Then, I hope you are out and about, ringing doorbells and begging whoever answers to stop all anti-abortion activities. Remember, no one has the right to dictate to another in your book!
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 05:22 pm
@plainoldme,
ican actually wrote: Remember, the USA is not a democracy in which a majority of the citizens governed by the federal government can dictate to the minority. The USA is a representative, constitutional republic in which the powers of the majority of the citizens governed by the federal government are strictly limited.

Also remember, the powers of the minority of citizens governed by the federal government are strictly limited.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 05:42 pm
@ican711nm,
A human fetus does not become a fully formed human being before the end of the 13th week of pregnancy. When it does become a fully formed human being, its life is then protected by the Constitution, Amendment V:
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http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html

Amendment V.
No person shall
be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 08:54 pm
@ican711nm,
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Also remember, the powers of the minority of citizens governed by the federal government are strictly limited


But, from where I stand, I see the majority as approving of abortion rights and as wanting single payer health care. So, how is it that the minority is threatening abortion rights and made certain that there is no single payer?

Please, none of your large print. It's so ugly. Just put your glasses on.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 10:19 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

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Also remember, the powers of the minority of citizens governed by the federal government are strictly limited


But, from where I stand, I see the majority as approving of abortion rights and as wanting single payer health care. So, how is it that the minority is threatening abortion rights and made certain that there is no single payer?


I'm not sure the facts are with you. The Supreme Court in Roe vs. Wade overturned many laws passed by representatives of the majority in both state and federal governments. No majority was involved. The people's representatives emphatically turned down a single payer health care system in the Senate. Indeed a large number of those who voted for the grotesque, but lesser HC system have since been voted out of office and public sentiment on it remains seriously divided. On what basis do you claim that a majority wants it?

Perhaps you imagine you speak for the majority.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 10:58 pm
@georgeob1,
Here:
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In an extensive ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system. That support, however, is conditional: It falls to fewer than four in 10 if it means a limited choice of doctors, or waiting lists for non-emergency treatments.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 14 Nov, 2010 11:15 pm
http://www.npr.org/2010/11/14/131309142/despite-efforts-u-s-guns-still-fuel-mexico-s-violence
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 06:11 am
@plainoldme,
POMade, NPR is not even close to being a reputable source for news.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 08:37 am
Boehner: Who Needs Ethics

Editorial
Ethics in the New House
Published: November 14, 2010

As he approaches the duties of speaker of the House, Representative John Boehner is generously asking one and all for ideas on “how we can make this institution function again.” Mr. Boehner did not mention dysfunction, but that’s apparently in the works, too, according to reports that he will likely dismantle the quasi-independent Office of Congressional Ethics.
Outraged taxpayers who voted against business as usual in Washington should be dumbfounded. Congress’s Tea Party newcomers should be the first to protect the office.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi created the agency in 2008, in the wake of the scandals featuring Jack Abramoff, the eventually imprisoned megalobbyist who had V.I.P. clout with the previous Republican majority.

The staff of nonpartisan professionals has worked hard to stiffen the spine of the House ethics committee. The office has issued more than a score of preliminary reports pointing to possible abuses and prodding the committee toward hearings on alleged violations by Representatives Charles Rangel and Maxine Waters. It has been what the public long needed — an alert to possible abuses traditionally buried under Congressional arrogance.

Lawmakers from both parties cited for scrutiny demanded that the office be scrapped. Ms. Pelosi resisted. That, of course, didn’t stop campaigning Republicans from accusing her of failing to fulfill her pledge to “drain the swamp” of Congressional corruption.

The clear implication was that they would offer even stronger ethics policing. Certainly more could be done. The office would be far more effective if its investigators were accorded subpoena power to cut through members’ resistance. There’s been no mention of that, or any ethics reform, in the boilerplate agendas issued so far by Republican leaders.

The new speaker should protect and bolster the Office of Congressional Ethics. The last thing Congress needs is a retreat to the days of good old boy self-policing and no real accountability.

A version of this editorial appeared in print on November 15, 2010, on page A28 of the New York edition.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 08:41 am
@Advocate,
Silly Advocate, Pelosi promised to 'drain the swamp'. She laid eggs instead.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 08:46 am
@cicerone imposter,
Cicerone, If you read the whole piece you quoted you will see that the poll suggests folks may like the idea of free centrally managed heatth care, but not the fact of it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 10:23 am
@georgeob1,
But what are the "fact of it" that they are talking about? Is it in the health plan legislation? Where?
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 02:19 pm
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The number of pork-barrel projects by Congress 1991 – 2010

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realjohnboy
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 03:00 pm
Wow! Minutes ago, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) reversed course and announced that he now supports the Republican pledge to ban earmarks.
This is a pretty big win for the Teaparty movement which had already gotten current House Republicans (+ many of the incoming members) to sign on.
McConnell's action seems to eliminate the need for Senate Republicans to vote on this in a caucus tomorrow and puts pressure on the Democrats in the House and Senate to make a similar pledge.
Earmarks are, arguably, pocket change. The estimates I have seen put the number at $16Bn a year.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 15 Nov, 2010 03:32 pm
@realjohnboy,
Well, $16 billion is a good start. Moreover the number of these earmarks started increasing very fast a little over a decade ago and they do corrupt the larger Federal programs they modify and, perhaps more importantly, serve as a vehicle for the systematic corruption of the legislative process through the buying of votes in return for the approvasl of earmarks in the various committees that oversee legislation. The Congress has lost a significant degree of public trust and this is a good way to start reversing a very unfavorable trend.


Though it got little attention at the time it was an earmark by the former Senator J. Bennett Johnson of Louisiana for the construction of a shipping channel named after himself that diverted monies intended for the upgrade of the levees protecting New Orleans. Worse this waterway (and others) acted as an hydraulic short circuit connecting lake Ponchatrain to the hurricane storm surge in the Gulf and contributing directly to the levee failure that started the disaster.
 

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