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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 08:02 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKL9TRaePww
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:31 am
Leftist Liberals are dumb about economics.
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19858&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
John Maynard Keynes, R.I.P.
The basic Keynesian stimulus argument goes something like this: If the federal government engages in deficit spending during a recession, the added government expenditures (unaccompanied by tax increases) will boost "aggregate demand." Greater federal spending on a road, for instance, will create jobs for construction workers, who can then spend their additional income on, say, bread. Bakers now will have more to spend on, say, cars and so on, says Richard B. McKenzie, a professor in the Merage School of Business at the University of California, Irvine.

National income stimulated by the initial government road project can grow by some multiple of the expenditure, Keynes' theory says. A stimulus package (and budget deficit) of $1 trillion would morph into a minimum of $1.5 trillion in additional national income -- maybe even into $4 trillion or $10 trillion.

But if it sounds too good to be true, it is, says McKenzie.

If such income growth were possible, the country would be awash in prosperity, given that the federal government increased the national debt by $1.88 trillion in fiscal 2009 and could run deficits of $1.6 trillion and $1.3 trillion in fiscal 2010 and 2011, respectively.
Between 2012 and 2015 it will add at least another $3 trillion to the national debt.
As economist Milton Friedman observed, when the government engages in deficit spending, it must borrow the extra funds from someone who could have spent them on private-sector projects. Thus, an increase in government spending could be totally offset by a decrease in private spending, as lendable funds are diverted from private to government uses. The net effect can be no net increase in aggregate demand -- and no multiplier effect. Indeed, with the inevitable waste in government stimulus projects, the multiplier effect could as easily be negative as positive, says McKenzie.

Source: Richard B. McKenzie, "John Maynard Keynes, R.I.P.," Freeman, October 2010.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:38 am
This is a necessary step!

WHY IS IMPEACHING OBAMA A NECESSARY STEP IN RESCUING OUR COUNTRY?

The solution for rescuing our Liberty, rescuing our Constitutional Republic and rescuing our Capitalist Economy is not to repeatedly sound alarms and repeatedly give the reasons for those alarms. The solution is to impeach President Obama, or initiate his removal from the presidency some other lawful way. He is unlawfully leading the transfer of private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

Nowhere in the Constitution has the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary been granted the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it. Any branch of the federal government that makes such private property transfers violates the "supreme law of the land," and their "oath or affirmation required by Article VI to support this Constitution".

When any branch of the federal government makes such property transfers, it is exercising powers not granted by the Constitution to the federal government. According to Amendment X, the exercise of such non-granted powers by the federal government violates the Constitution. Thereby, making such property transfers unlawful.

Because President Obama is committing these unconstitutional acts, we have to elect members to the House of Representatives, who will make, second, and debate a motion to impeach President Obama.

ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:45 am
THE TEA PARTY'S CONTRACT FROM AMERICA
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The Contract from America
We, the undersigned, call upon those seeking to represent us in public office to sign the Contract from America and by doing so commit to support each of its agenda items, work to bring each agenda item to a vote during the first year, and pledge to advocate on behalf of individual liberty, limited government, and economic freedom.

Individual Liberty
Our moral, political, and economic liberties are inherent, not granted by our government. It is essential to the practice of these liberties that we be free from restriction over our peaceful political expression and free from excessive control over our economic choices.

Limited Government
The purpose of our government is to exercise only those limited powers that have been relinquished to it by the people, chief among these being the protection of our liberties by administering justice and ensuring our safety from threats arising inside or outside our country’s sovereign borders. When our government ventures beyond these functions and attempts to increase its power over the marketplace and the economic decisions of individuals, our liberties are diminished and the probability of corruption, internal strife, economic depression, and poverty increases.

Economic Freedom
The most powerful, proven instrument of material and social progress is the free market. The market economy, driven by the accumulated expressions of individual economic choices, is the only economic system that preserves and enhances individual liberty. Any other economic system, regardless of its intended pragmatic benefits, undermines our fundamental rights as free people.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:46 am
@ican711nm,
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Nowhere in the Constitution has the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary been granted the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.


Yes, they have. And the Supreme Court has upheld this exact point on several occasions. No matter how much you rant about it, your account just isn't reality and will never be.

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:47 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

okie wrote:
I think it might be cowardice, because I think he might be realizing that his position on this issue of left vs right is leading to a situation of being boxed in and unable to win the debate. I think he might be realizing that his opinions are losing out to the reality of the facts, especially when he realized how dumb his statement about there being left and right facsists really was, and he doesn't want to have to defend his own statements.

Either, okie, you are really stupid or you can't read.
Just do try, please, to find some books and have a look ... not at them, but read them.
You'll then notice that there are a few who have written about left-Fascism, like Habermas, Horowitz, Wollin, Arendt and perhaps a few more.
(If you could read German, not the English translations only, you'll find some interesting definitions by a couple of German communists and Social-Democrats as well.)
To call someone coward to just follows an academic, worldwide way of interpreting fixed political and historical terms - that's hurtful.
But perhaps, it's just another sign of .... whatever is wrong with you.

I used the word, "coward" relative to your willingness to answer the questions, because I thought you were avoiding answering simple questiona in a very simple debate. You are the one that asserted that there is left and there is right Fascism, to which I merely asked you to tell me what the differences were between the two, and if there could be both left and right Fascism, then did you also think there could be left and right communism. That would seem to be a logical question that would beg an answer, if you were correct about left and right Fascism. These questions are very straightforward and since you and others claim that you are very educated about all of this political spectrum subject, I thought you should jump at the chance to answer the questions and help clarify to those of us your superior knowledge of this subject.

So I will ask you again, are you going to engage the questions as an engaged and educated poster here, or are you going to coyly avoid committing to any answers? The questions were not difficult, nor should they require a long time for you to answer, that is if you have the knowledge about this that you claim. Seriously Walter, I was genuinely interested in what you would have to offer. I do not wish to play games here with you and get into a name calling match.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:50 am
FROM THE CONSERVATIVE CAUCUS
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www.SupportTCC.org
Under the Constitution of the USA, the federal government is supposed to be
a government of specifically enumerated powers. The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

COMMANDERING THE STATE LEGISLATURES
ObamaCare requires the states to pay for part of the program – which is part of the budget trickery, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid used to make ObamaCare appear less costly than it actually is.

FORCING CITIZENS TO BUY A PRODUCT
ObamaCare forces citizens, under penalty of the law, to purchase health insurance. This provisdion is antithetical to liberty.

FRAUDULENT BUDGET NUMBERS
To secure passage of ObamaCare, it was necessary to put out fraudulent budget numbers to the American people concerning its likely cost.

UNCONSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY SEIZURES
Not satisfied with placing banks, insurance companies, and the car industry under federal control, President Obama is now preparing to seize huge tracts of land throughout the American West.

REFUSING TO ENFORCE THE LAW ON UNION ACCOUNTABILITY
Labor unions in America receive special favored treatment under the law. You can’t work in some states without being a member of a labor union, which requires members to pay dues to the labor union. In return for this special favored status in American law, labor unions are supposed to itemize and report their expenses.

But the Obama Administration has openly announced it will no longer enforce these disclosure requirements

REFUSING TO ENFORCE THE LAW CONCERNING HOMOSEXUALS IN THE MILITARY
On March 25, 2010, the Obama administration announced that it would no longer enforce the 1993 law (Section 654, Title 10, U.S.C.), which states that homosexuals are not eligible for military service.

PROSPECTS FOR IMPEACHMENT
There is every indication that the American people are alarmed by wholesale destruction of our Constitutional Republic they see taking place right now by President Obama and this Congress. So we will have a brand new Congress after November 2, 2010 – hopefully one that has a greater appreciation for America’s heritage of liberty.

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okie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:56 am
@ican711nm,
Hey ican, have you noticed that during the flareup over Obama accusing the U.S. Chamber of Commerce of using foreign contributions, that Rove and Gillespie have said that Obama is guilty of "abuse of power?" Isn't abuse of power just one of many grounds for impeachment? It seems to me that if a simple little verification that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is innocent of this and thus should be commonly known by all - including Obama, perhaps Rove and Gillespie have a very serious point when they used the term "abuse of power."

And the really damning thing about this in regard to Obama is the fact that he received foreign donations in the course of winning the election to become president, which is I think far worse, and really illustrates the hypocrisy and double standard that the man and the Democratic Party has.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/10/rove-gillespie-slam-obama-spreading-baseless-lie-foreign-contributions/

"Two top Republicans lit into President Obama and the Democratic Party Sunday over accusations that the GOP strategists and the Chamber of Commerce were using foreign contributions to influence the election, calling the claim a "baseless lie" and accusing the president of "abuse of power.""

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:57 am
@okie,
okie, You're not interested in what Walter has to say; you have already made up your mind about politics, and that will never change - in a million years. We all know that about you! Your brain learned from FOX News, and since then, you have turned off any new factual information that has been provided to you by many on these boards. You are not interested in facts or new information provided to you by many on a2k.

We've all heard of old horses learning new tricks, but you're way past that period. You've been out to pasture, and all you do is regurgitate the same crap over and over without so much as acknowledging when you have been proven wrong. You always demand apologies, but it's pulling teeth to get you to admit you are wrong on anything.

So quit your false interest in seeking information from Walter; he's repeated himself enough times for you to have learned from him on politics and political systems.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 10:59 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Ican wrote: Nowhere in the Constitution has the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary been granted the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.

Cyclo wrote: Yes, they have. And the Supreme Court has upheld this exact point on several occasions. No matter how much you rant about it, your account just isn't reality and will never be.

Yes, the Supreme Court has upheld this exact point on several occasions. But the Supreme Court is not granted the power by the Constitution to amend or legislate the Constitution.

So I post again: Nowhere in the Constitution has the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary been granted the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.

If you think otherwise, find in the Constitution as amended where it grants the President, the Congress, or the Judiciary the power to transfer private property from those who lawfully earned it to those who have not lawfully earned it.

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:01 am
@ican711nm,
Quote:

Yes, the Supreme Court has upheld this exact point on several occasions. But the Supreme Court is not granted the power by the Constitution to amend or legislate the Constitution.


They didn't have to do either one in order to uphold the legality of Progressive taxation. They merely interpreted the Constitution and the laws in question, which they are given the exact power to do by the Constitution.

Case closed; and that's why we enjoy the taxes we have, despite a century of old cranks like you muttering constantly about it. And it's not going to change; you know it isn't.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:11 am
@okie,
Yes, okie, I sure did notice that, and agree:

(1) Rove and Gillespie have said that Obama is guilty of "abuse of power;"

(2) abuse of power is just one of many grounds for impeachment of elected and appointed members of the federal government.

For at least the last 21 months, the Democrats have continually and repeatedly accused Republicans of taking exactly the same actions the Democrats have taken.

Want to learn what illegal behavior the Democrats have and are exhibiting? Listen carefully to what the Democrats have, do, and will accuse the Republicans.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:15 am
ican, You wouldn't know "abuse of power" if you faced it face-to-face. GW Bush broke not only domestic but international laws. Let us count the ways in how GW Bush "abused his power?"
okie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:21 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, You're not interested in what Walter has to say; you have already made up your mind about politics, and that will never change - in a million years.

Wrong. I am interested in what Walter has to say. Sure, I have my opinions which I have openly explained, but I think it is entirely fair that Walter openly explains his as well, don't you?
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:22 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

ican, You wouldn't know "abuse of power" if you faced it face-to-face. GW Bush broke not only domestic but international laws. Let us count the ways in how GW Bush "abused his power?"
Lest you forget, Congress approved of the resolution to give authority for Bush to go to war if necessary. You seem to forget that, so just a reminder for you.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:34 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Dumb try, Cyclo. The case continues "open!"

The Supreme Court did not merely interpret the Constitution and the laws in question. They first defined the Constitution as a "living document" (i.e., changeable according to alleged current values) which they are definitely not granted by the Constitution the power to do . No where in the Constitution as amended, is the Constitution defined as such a "living document."

By the way, I am not here debating the legality of Progressive taxation. I have previously based my claim that Progressive taxation is not legal on a phrase in Article I. Section 8: "all Duties, Imposts, and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

Here I have claimed the Constitution as amended does not grant to any branch of the federal government the power to transfer money earned by one group to a group which has not earned it.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:47 am
@cicerone imposter,
Cice, You wouldn't know "abuse of power" if you faced it face-to-face.

Yes, Bush abused his Constitutionally granted powers.

Yes, Obama has and is abusing his Constitutionally granted powers far more than did Bush.

Because Bush is no longer President he cannot be removed from the presidency for his unlawful abuses of power.

Because Obama has abused and is abusing his powers over the last 21 months far more than did Bush did over 96 months, he can be removed from the presidency for his unlawful abuses of power.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 11:50 am
@ican711nm,
Isn't that part of the Saul Alinsky playbook, to accuse the opposition of what they do themselves?

We also know the Democrats and Obama are highly motivated to discredit people and organizations that oppose them, so the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is probably near the top of their enemies list.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 12:15 pm
@okie,
Okie, yes, it is part of the Saul Alinsky playbook, to accuse the opposition of what they do themselves!

Yes, Democrats and Obama seek to discredit people and organizations that oppose them of doing exactly what they themselves do!

If he were to be alive today, Saul Alinsky would be very very proud of Democrats and Obama.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 11 Oct, 2010 12:24 pm
@okie,
Ooh! Saul Alinsky! Another version of Emmanuel Goldstein! What a paranoid okie is!

So, what do you know about Leo Stauss?
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