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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
parados
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 06:58 am
@ican711nm,
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Obstacle to Deficit Cutting: A Nation on Entitlements

I guess that means ican is an obstacle to deficit cutting.

Why do you hate America so much ican that you won't let us cut your entitlements? If you really loved America you would refuse your SS and Medicare payments. America needs to balance it's budget and entitlements are the largest obstacle and you feel you are entitled so that means you are part of the problem.
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Cycloptichorn
 
  2  
Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 09:50 am
@okie,
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And your claim that he was neither Liberal or Conservative, that is the ultimate copout in my opinion.


Your opinion is wrong.
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You cannot get away with that one.


Sure I can; I just did.

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Your arguments are getting worse by the day.


No, they are not. But your ability to properly answer them is, because over time it has become astoundingly clear that you have no intention of doing anything besides repeating yourself over and over again, to the point of screaming that you are right, no matter what anyone else says. Because you aren't really interested in the truth. Just in attacking your political opponents.

Cycloptichorn
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 10:53 am
I claim that the USA's rule of law must be rescued and secured. It is dumb to abandon any part of it because it is more than 10 years, more than 100 years, more than 200 years old, or even because some of it was adopted March 4, 1789. It is a dangerous threat to the security of our liberty to abandon it. A majority of the lawfully eligible voters in the USA know this and will defend the USA's rule of law with whatever lawful means it takes.

FROM THE CONSTITUTION OF THE USA
Quote:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Article II. Section 1. The President shall, …
Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Article II. Section 4. The President … shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article I. Section 8.
The Congress shall have power

To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;

To establish post offices and post roads;

To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;

To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;

To provide and maintain a navy;

To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;

To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.


THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT POSSESS ANY POWERS NOT EXPLICITLY GRANTED IT BY THE CONSTITUTION
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http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 06:19 am
http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22000285#video=22000202

I can not believe how stupid people are. This bimbo . . . that great word from the 1980s, that substitute for all the stronger, more accurate words . . . giggles away that her witch event happened when she was in high school.

The idiot was still babbling about it on television long after she should have outgrown it. The woman is a fool and yet bigger fools are contributing money to her campaign! People should be shaking their heads at her stupidity at the very least, and, simply walking away from her at the most appropriate.

While christine the empty tin can tied to the back of a car labeled the Tea Totalitarians made a fool of herself (a redundancy on my part! she is a fool without dignity!) another woman, younger than o'donnell and known for dramatic appearance, pop singer Lady Gaga, donned a conservative dark suit and outsized glasses to speak at a rally in support of the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.

I don't know who wrote GaGa's speech. However, I do know that GaGa understands deportment, appropriateness of tone, sobriety of appearance. I also know that GaGa demonstrates more intelligence and logic in a few minutes than o'donnell could in years of trying to explain herself.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22000285
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parados
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 06:20 am
@ican711nm,
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I claim that the USA's rule of law must be rescued and secured. It is dumb to abandon any part of it because it is more than 10 years, more than 100 years, more than 200 years old, or even because some of it was adopted March 4, 1789. It is a dangerous threat to the security of our liberty to abandon it

And yet you are proposing we abandon 200 year old law of what is an impeachable offense.

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A majority of the lawfully eligible voters in the USA know this and will defend the USA's rule of law with whatever lawful means it takes.

I guess that explains why the majority isn't with you on impeachment ican. They understand the Constitution a hell of a lot better than you do.

If you read the Constitution as many times as you post it here ican, you might learn something. I get the impression you never read anything you post.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 06:26 am
@cicerone imposter,
Be certain to report back to us on your visit. I am of partial Polish descent. My ancestors left Poland in 1880. A member of the branch of my maternal Grandmother's family that remained in Poland died in a concentration camp. He was 50 and a newly created Catholic bishop who had just said his first Mass as a bishop when he was arrested by the SS.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 07:28 am
@parados,
So ican thinks that centrists and liberals are in favor of "abandoning" a law because it is old?

What about the Tea Totalitarians who are in favor of a complete revolution, with armed citizens who overturn the Constitution?

What ican fails to understand this time . . . ican understands so little, that one must differentiate among his gaffs . . . is that there are times when the Constitution must be revised to meet the changing technological. In other words, because we have so many communications' devices (just to consider one category) that were unimagined at the end of the 18th C., we must expand the Constitution to cover communications using everything from the telephone to the computer.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 09:49 am
@plainoldme,
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is that there are times when the Constitution must be revised to meet the changing technological. In other words, because we have so many communications' devices (just to consider one category) that were unimagined at the end of the 18th C., we must expand the Constitution to cover communications using everything from the telephone to the computer.


WHY?
Comunications is communications.
The written word is still the written word, no matter what its written on.
If we were to do as you suggest, the Constitution would become such a tangled mess that it would be almost unworkable.
There have been so many advances in communications, then those advances have become obsolete by other advances, that it would not be possible to amend the constitution every time.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:00 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

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is that there are times when the Constitution must be revised to meet the changing technological. In other words, because we have so many communications' devices (just to consider one category) that were unimagined at the end of the 18th C., we must expand the Constitution to cover communications using everything from the telephone to the computer.


WHY?
Communications is communications.
The written word is still the written word, no matter what its written on.
If we were to do as you suggest, the Constitution would become such a tangled mess that it would be almost unworkable.
There have been so many advances in communications, then those advances have become obsolete by other advances, that it would not be possible to amend the constitution every time.


If we were to take everything at it's original meaning, the 4th amendment would seem to preclude a whole range of activities that modern presidents undertake:

Quote:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Would you agree with me that a literal reading of the Constitution renders Bush's Warrantless Wiretapping program to be illegal?

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:22 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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Would you agree with me that a literal reading of the Constitution renders Bush's Warrantless Wiretapping program to be illegal


Absolutely.
And I have no problem with the constitution being read and interpreted literally, I actually would prefer it read and interpreted it that way.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:24 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

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Would you agree with me that a literal reading of the Constitution renders Bush's Warrantless Wiretapping program to be illegal


Absolutely.
And I have no problem with the constitution being read and interpreted literally, I actually would prefer it read and interpreted it that way.


So you would have supported impeaching him and sending the guy to jail? Or doing so now? He directly and intentionally violated the Constitution.

I don't agree with arguments that Conservatives make against this proposition; but neither do I consider them to be completely without merit.

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:29 am
@plainoldme,
My travelogues are posted on travelpod.com. I have about 70 of my trips recorded there, and now have visitors from around the world including Russia, Philippines, Australia, India, Oman, Iran, Singapore, Tunisia, England, and of coarse, the US. My pseudonym is c.i.222, and I usually finish my travelogue within one week of my return from a trip.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:46 am
@Cycloptichorn,
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So you would have supported impeaching him and sending the guy to jail?


Impeaching a President is not the same as convicting him.
I do not support impeaching any president, Unless there is overwhelming evidence of their guilt, because of the harm it does to the nation as a whole.
If however, the evidence is overwhelming, then I would support the impeachment of a president.
But lets remember that impeaching does NOT mean convicting.

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Or doing so now?

I dont know. Is there a statute of limitations involved?
That answer isnt meant as a copout, I dont know if there is a limit involved.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 10:50 am
@mysteryman,
mm, Good points; impeachment doesn't mean conviction of any crime. When the republicans impeached Clinton for a personal sexual indisgression, it was the wrong "crime" to impeach. Most in Europe and around the world laughed at the US politics, and rightly so.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 01:31 pm
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Principles for Economic Revival
America's financial crisis, deep recession and anemic recovery have largely been driven by economic policies that have deviated from proven fact-based principles, say George P. Shultz, a fellow at the Hoover Institution, and his colleagues. Here are the priorities that should guide policymakers as they seek to restore more rapid growth.

First, take tax increases off the table:

Higher tax rates are destructive to growth and would ratify the recent spending excesses.
For example, the U.S. corporate tax is one of the highest in the world.
Second, balance the federal budget by reducing spending:

The publicly held debt must be brought down to the precrisis safety zone.
The government should begin by rescinding unspent "stimulus" and Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) funds, ratcheting down domestic appropriations and repealing entitlement expansions, most notably the subsidies in the health care bill.
Third, modify Social Security and health care entitlements to reduce their explosive future growth.

Fourth, enact a moratorium on all new regulations for the next three years:

Going forward, regulations should be transparent and simple, pass rigorous cost-benefit tests and on market-based incentives instead of command and control. Direct and indirect cost estimates of regulations and subsidies should be published before new regulations are put into law.

Fifth, monetary policy should be less discretionary and more rule-like. The Federal Reserve should announce and follow a monetary policy rule, such as the Taylor rule, in which the short-term interest rate is determined by the supply and demand for money. The rate is then adjusted through changes in the money supply when inflation rises above or falls below the target, or when the economy goes into a recession.

Source: George P. Shultz, Michael J. Boskin, John F. Cogan, Allan Meltzer and John B. Taylor, "Principles for Economic Revival," The Wall Street Journal, September 16, 2010.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 01:40 pm
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By DAVID CATANESE | 9/17/10 4:40 PM EDT
Delaware GOP Senate candidate and tea party sensation Christine O'Donnell torched "ruling-class elites" and their "anti-Americanism," in her debut on the national stage Friday, encouraging the room of conservatives to lead a constitutional comeback in this year's midterm election.

O'Donnell's 17-minute speech before the Family Research Council's Value Voters Summit made no direct mention of her primary upset of nine-term Rep. Mike Castle Tuesday; it instead focused on the enthusiasm that's reinvigorated the conservative movement in the two years since President Obama took office.

"The conservative movement was told to curl up in a fetal position and just stay there for the next eight years, thank you very much. Well, how things have changed," O'Donnell said, to cheers.

O'Donnell, who defeated Castle by a 6-point margin despite sustained attacks on her misstatements and financial troubles – past and present — repeatedly chided "the ruling class" and championed "a rowdy revolution of reason."

"The small elite don't get us. They call us wacky. They call us wingnuts. We call us, 'We the people,'" she said to sustained applause. "We're loud, we're rowdy, we're passionate. … It isn't tame, but boy, it sure is good."

She also addressed the personal scrutiny and criticisms she has endured since her candidacy vaulted into the national spotlight just weeks ago, when she appeared to be gaining momentum against Castle in her third shot at a Senate seat.

"Will they attack us? Yes. Will they smear our backgrounds and distort our records? Undoubtedly. Will they lie about us, harass our families, namecall to try to intimidate us? They will. There's nothing safe about it. But is it worth it?" she said.

"Well, let me ask you. Is freedom worth it?" she asked, as the crowd chanted "Yes." "Is America worth it?"

She used her middle-class upbringing in New Jersey to briefly explain one of the most perplexing charges that has dogged her campaign — why it took her more than 15 years to earn her college degree from Fairleigh Dickinson University.

"I never had the high-paying job or the company car. It took me over a decade to pay off my student loans. I never had to worry about where to dock my yacht to reduce my taxes," she said, jabbing at Sen. John Kerry for dodging a six-figure yacht tax in his home state. '"And I'll bet most of you didn't, either."

O'Donnell argued that while Beltway elites are attempting to marginalize their movement, it’s conservatives who represent the core of mainstream America.


plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 02:03 pm
@ican711nm,
Somehow, o'donnell found enough English words to speak four sentences! Will wonders ever cease!













http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/22000285
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 02:07 pm
@ican711nm,
That bimbo attended Fairleigh-Dickinson University, known in NJ as Fairly Ridiculous, for six years without earning a degree.

She spent most of her time preparing herself for gynecological exams rather than academic exams: on her back with her legs wide and in the air. The town pump.

Then she found Jesus. Poor Jesus. The sins that are committed in his name! Our giggling girl from Jersey managed to found several organizations with silly acronyms so that Bill Maher could use her for comic relief. Oh, well, that is a step up from being the town pump.

She was sued by Fairleigh Dickinson; she lost her condo and she owes the Federal government money. What a heroine!
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 01:51 pm
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

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http://www.crusader.net/texts/mk/index.html
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler
Volume Two: The National Socialist Movement
Chapter I: Philosophy and Party
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ON FEBRUARY 24, 1920, the first great public demonstration of our young movement took place. In the Festsaal of the Munich Hofbräuhaus the twenty-five theses of the new party's program were submitted to a crowd of almost two thousand and every single point was accepted amid jubilant approval. ...



Thanks, ican. I see this post of yours was voted down. I guess the libs just cannot deal with the facts, that Hitler was in fact a Nazi, that the Nazi 25 points were predominantly leftist and socialist, and therefore Hitler was a leftist and a socialist.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 02:11 pm
@okie,
okie, "Presented" doesn't mean anything without the facts to back it up that they were followed.

Exampe: "okie is a stupid, ignorant, no-evidence, opinion poster on a2k."

oooops, I have evidence for that!
 

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