That's why I asked the question, c.i., if okie had any knowledge of ...
I'd posted this information already a long time ago, together with some additional infos about the original DAP, and the Austrian National Socialistic Party, and ...
Useless, since such would need some understanding about history,cultures outside the USA ... - just general knowledge.
@ican711nm,
Hitler was never a socialist.
@okie,
Quote:
I am not an authority on it, but I have read histories of what happened.
Well! That is so much better than having read histories of WHAT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!!
A huge step in the right direction!
@ican711nm,
I personally know only two people who support Ron Paul. Both describe themselves as socialists.
@ican711nm,
Quote:Which of the 25 points did Hitler actually live by, and which did he not live by:
(1) One year before he became the head of the German Government;
(2) One year after he became the head of the German Government;
(3) Four ears after he became the head of the German Government;
(4) Eight years after he became the head of the German Government?
Is this supposed to mean something?
Did anyone listen the afternoon news on npr today?
A NYT reporter discussed the Tea Totalitarians, who grow more like the Nazis by the day.
She revealed their roots . . . a bunch of conservative kids tweeting. How ironic is that?
And, while they are not the same old Christian right that has made life miserable on this planet for years, that is one element of what the Tea Totalitarians are.
Many, if not most, of the Tea Liberty Tramplers are folks who disapprove of social programs but all of them want to destroy the Democratic Party.
Hmmm! Right wingnuts all claim not to interfere with personal liberties. Choosing a political party is a personal liberty.
They never shy away from contradictions, do they?
@Cycloptichorn,
A note to okie: The University of Texas is one of the leading universities in the nation.
@okie,
Quote:I have read history books, and none of what I have read changes my opinion that Ray has it tabbed pretty well
You can lead a horse to water but you can't change his opinion.
@ican711nm,
Quote:The correct spelling, Barack Obama, is too much like Barrack Obama, which would be a particular "housing characterized by extreme plainness or dreary uniformity" named Obama.
Thus, my wrong spelling clearly distinguishes Barack Obama from a dreary uniform building, a barrack, named Obama.
This is Hilarious! I might add that the house might even suggest nightmares involving evil Drill Sargent dictators!
Later,
JM
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
I'd posted this information already a long time ago, together with some additional infos about the original DAP, and the Austrian National Socialistic Party, and ...
Just some food for thoughts: the Austrian DAP, the 'mother' of the German DAP and the (Austrian) German National Socialist Party (DNSAP) [who all became the (German) NSDAP later] was -according to its party program as quoted in Ferdinand Burschofsky(1913, 1914) and Alois Ciller, 1932) anti-clerical, anti-feudal, anti-liberal, anti-marxistic, anti-semistic, racist and anti-slavic. [That was easily done here in NM, USA, okie!]
@plainoldme,
That's true; our son earned his masters there, and now works for the university in Austin.
I started collecting material on Hitler from Spartacus Educational, which seems to be a British on-line encyclopedia specifically aimed at students:
“. . . fellow soldiers described him as "odd" and "peculiar". One soldier from his regiment, Hans Mend, claimed that Hitler was an isolated figure who spent long periods of time sitting in the corner holding his head in silence. Then all of a sudden, Mend claimed, he would jump up and make a speech. These outbursts were usually attacks on Jews and Marxists who Hitler claimed were undermining the war effort.”
“Hitler saw socialism as part of a Jewish conspiracy. Many of the socialist leaders in Germany, including Kurt Eisner, Rosa Luxemburg, Ernst Toller and Eugen Levine were Jews. So also were many of the leaders of the October Revolution in Russia. This included Leon Trotsky, Gregory Zinoviev, Lev Kamenev, Dimitri Bogrov, Karl Radek, Yakov Sverdlov, Maxim Litvinov, Adolf Joffe, and Moisei Uritsky. It had not escaped Hitler's notice that Karl Marx, the prophet of socialism, had also been a Jew. . . It was not until May, 1919 that the German Army entered Munich and overthrew the Bavarian Socialist Republic. Hitler was arrested with other soldiers in Munich and was accused of being a socialist. Hundreds of socialists were executed without trial but Hitler was able to convince them that he had been an opponent of the regime. To prove this he volunteered to help to identify soldiers who had supported the Socialist Republic. The authorities agreed to this proposal and Hitler was transferred to the commission investigating the revolution.
Information supplied by Hitler helped to track down several soldiers involved in the uprising. His officers were impressed by his hostility to left-wing ideas and he was recruited as a political officer. Hitler's new job was to lecture soldiers on politics. The main aim was to promote his political philosophy favoured by the army and help to combat the influence of the Russian Revolution on the German soldiers.”
@plainoldme,
The vehemence with which it is being proclaimed here that leftist historians have labeled Hitler a right-winger to cover the real purpose of the left is frighteningly Nineteen Eighty-four.
I began to pay serious attention to WWII when asked to write a report on the German concentration camps for my history class in the eighth grade. We had run out of time at the end of the year and our teacher selected several of us to report to the class on different aspects of the War in order to give some coverage to the material. Until I returned to a2k in the late winter of this year, I never heard anyone suggest that Hitler was on the left. The historians that I have read over a half century can not all have been left-leaning.
@cicerone imposter,
As cyclo stated that he was a student there, I wanted to make certain that the school was given its proper due before okie criticized it.
@okie,
"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism?
Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. ..."
Yes, there it is. The statist charge of "Greed". The Subjective label that then allows the statist his perceived moral authority. This "
isolates" and "
fixes" the Alinskite "
target" which now can be labeled evil and therefore singled out for persecution and, in the German Nazi model, duly executed (after being robbed of his posessions, of course). Of Course, dictators (the ultimate statists) like Hitler have a problem with people who are in the same position as German jews, namely, they had economic power that could complicate the dictator's power grab. Educated elites also are problematic for all statists since their powers of reasoning coupled with the respect they receive from the masses makes it difficult to peddle leftist crap. What's interesting now is that the left has pretty much co-opted the U.S.'s university education system. Indeed, the president is a shining example of this leftist success.
About the union thing. I'm sure you agree that members are not the problem. The problem is union leaders who are merely politicians themselves who sell the impact of their members' votes to other politicians who then...well, you know, funnel taxpayer money back to the unions, which then.... Anyway I remember a poster here on A2K that asked for a conservative position for a union member to take. How about this. The union member asks for, not only the portion of his dues that goes to political efforts, but the ability to steer that money to his candidate of choice.
JM
@plainoldme,
I know UOT has a good rep, because when our son told us he was attending that school, I checked it out. He graduated cum laude for his bachelors in California, and was the smartest in his class at officer's candidate school (his commander told us he had a perfect score). Ever since then, when there are rankings for public schools, I check to see where UOT ranks with other schools, and they're pretty high up there.
The Washington Post's Dana Milbank on the Tea Totalitarians' whiteness:
Tea Party leaders Dick Armey and Matt Kibbe, both of the national advocacy group FreedomWorks, were discussing the movement's success while having coffee with reporters this week, when one of the questioners asked about the Sept. 12 rally in Washington, yet another Tea Party event distinguished by a sea of white faces.
"I'm glad you brought that question up," replied Kibbe, "because we have a project that we're launching this week called DiverseTea." He said DiverseTea would highlight "African Americans, Jews, Hispanics, others that have come to this movement, because there is this nagging perception that we are not diverse."
DiverseTea? Sounds like a politically correct beverage along the lines of Tazo Tea and Honest Tea (which makes President Obama's favorite, Black Forest Berry). Will the Tea Party movement, through its DiverseTea subsidiary, start brewing Hispanic Hibiscus and Jewish Jasmine? Same-sex Tea Party couples could sip Earl Gay.
Alas, it was not Outreach Oolong that Kibbe had in mind (and, besides, there's already a drink called Diversitea, recommended for scuba divers who are "waiting to off-gas"). Rather, visitors to DiverseTea.com are asked a puzzling question: "Are you a Diverse Tea Partier?" If you are "diverse" (presumably this means non-white), "you could be featured on DiverseTea!"
As of Tuesday afternoon, the list of "Diverse Tea Partiers" on the site had reached a grand total of five. And one of them was Tito Munoz, a ubiquitous figure at Republican events dubbed "Tito the Builder" by John McCain's presidential campaign.
DiverseTea, evidently, takes a long time to steep. Still, its launch is an acknowledgment that movement leaders are sensitive to the impression that the Tea Party is largely a coalition of angry, white, Protestant men. White tea may be loaded with antioxidants, but it's too weak a brew to sustain the movement.
In the short term, the Tea Party's composition doesn't much matter. Many Tea Party-backed candidates are bound to prevail -- not because of their ideology but because there's huge disenchantment, even among Democrats, with the economy and Obama's handling of it.
But longer-term demographics are ominous for the Tea Party (and its Republican host) without non-white support. And they're not going to get it with the antics of the last 18 months: a Tea Party leader satirically referring to African Americans as "coloreds," the taunting of black lawmakers with racial epithets, the racist depictions of Obama, Newt Gingrich's claim that Obama has a "Kenyan, anti-colonial" worldview.
When the diversity criticism came up Monday, Kibbe attempted to deflect the issue by telling the gathering, hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, that "this room doesn't look that diverse either."
Armey asserted that "intellectually, there's greater diversity" in the Tea Party than in the Democratic or Republican parties. That's probably true: Tea Party candidates this year have voiced opposition to masturbation, support for prohibition and a fear that bicycle-sharing would lead to world government.
Armey, the former Republican House majority leader, probably didn't sweeten the DiverseTea appeal on Tuesday when he accused African American and Latino communities of taking "reprisals" against those of their race who join the Tea Party: "The difficulties, the harassment, the intolerance, the abuse that they suffer comes from . . . your own community, your own relatives, your own family."
Alternatively, the lack of love that minorities have shown for Tea Party activists might have to do with the fact that the "big government" the activists decry is what protects minority rights in places such as Arizona. There's also a fear that the Tea Party's limited government theme will spread into social issues. Armey, for example, promised "a fight" on abortion if Republicans gain a majority in Congress.
The DiverseTea questions followed Armey and Kibbe to a luncheon Tuesday at the libertarian Cato Institute. During the Q&A, a man of Pakistani background complained about Tea Partyers' "xenophobic" attitudes toward Muslims. "It's the most inclusive group of people I know," Armey countered.
A few minutes later, a woman asked about how the Tea Party could appeal to different ethnicities if its leaders do things such as accuse Obama of being a Muslim. After Kibbe did his plug for DiverseTea, Armey called the Tea Party "the largest liberating movement on behalf of conservatives of color I've ever seen." As a result, "I see black conservatives in America coming out of the closet," he said. "It's a wonderfully refreshing thing."
Wonderfully refreshing? Let's call that one Black Passionfruit.
More on o'donnell:
Republican primary voters in Delaware offered a stern rebuke to their national Party Tuesday electing Tea Party favorite Christine O'Donnell over the comparatively moderate, establishment endorsed candidate, Rep. Mike Castle (R). O'Donnell's victory (53 - 47 percent) marks the end of a campaign that got really nasty in its closing weeks. The primary is over, but the unpleasantness of the campaign lingers.
The fallout began immediately as GOP officials and strategists openly lamented O'Donnell's victory.Republican new media strategist Patrick Ruffini, for example, perfectly stated the general sentiment of establishment Republicans reacting to O'Donnell's victory in a tweet:
@PatrickRuffini Congratulations Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE)
Then there's Karl Rove whose disappointment was evident in an exchange with Fox News' Sean Hannity. Rove -- a Fox News political "analyst" who, reportedly, has been working behind the scenes soliciting Tea Party groups to support Castle -- told Hannity that O'Donnell's victory diminished GOP chances of taking over control of the Senate this November.
"We were looking at eight to nine seats in the Senate," Rove said. "Now we're looking at seven to eight, in my opinion. This is not a race we're going to be able to win."
Then there is the NRSC's muted support O'Donnell -- whose candidacy faces a significant cash disadvantage to her Democratic opponent -- giving the impression that the Tea Party should pay for the campaign. The GOP establishment seems sufficiently chafed from having to defend other fringe characters who've already defeated Party approved candidates -- Sharon Angle (NV), Rand Paul (KY)…etc. -- that they're willing to write off Deleware in their effort to retake the Senate.
The reaction of Rove and others, taken together with the national Republican's less than congratulatory response, has left a bad taste in the mouths of far-right web commentators. Red State's Erick Erickson, while stating he'd rather see O'Donnell win in November than any democrat, declared that he's "pulling the plug in Delaware," because of her supporters' propagation of baseless innuendo pertaining to Castle's sexual preference.
Conversely, TheRightScoop reacted to the NRSC's announcement by calling on its readers to donate to the O'Donnell campaign. "Fine, if that's the way they want it," the author notes, "let's send her money to prove we don't need the establishment!"
Another prominent conservative blogger actually called on Fox News to suspend and investigate Rove, and for the head of the NRSC, Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) to resign. Following Rove's exchange with Hannity, Dan Reihl blogged, "… it seems impossible to trust Rove as an objective analyst."
Of course, the notion that Rove may have once displayed a capacity for objectivity is highly questionable. Regardless, Reihl continued:
In terms of the conservative movement, we should not simply ignore him, but proactively work to undermine Rove in whatever ways we can, given his obvious willingness to undermine us.
I would encourage all grassroots and conservative activists and bloggers to, not just ignore them, but proactively work to run-down whatever web based initiatives they choose to employ until this matter is resolved. John Cornyn should be held accountable and removed from his NRSC position...
As the tension between the GOP establishment and the Republican Party's right wing base develops into a pitched battle, I find it difficult not to derive a certain amount of personal satisfaction. It's not because I, like many others, prognosticated the widening rift when Sarah Palin quit or when Arlen Specter left the GOP. That was more than a year ago. Then and since, GOP officials have pandered to the self-proclaimed conservative purists -- the same demographic responsible for the entirety of Palin's present relevance, such as it is, and led Specter to unsuccessfully duck the fate Castle realized Tuesday night.
Now that the circular firing squad on the right is taking shape, it's become clear that the GOP merely had the Tea Party tiger by the tail; and, with just two months to go before the 2010 midterms -- after some nibbling throughout the primary season -- that tiger took its first unambiguous bite.
That Rove's hand was in the way when the jaws shut was, for me, the most satisfying result. However, as enjoyable as it is to watch Rove twist, it wouldn't be prudent to dwell on O'Donnell's victory no matter how fortuitous it is for the Democrats. After all, as the crack team of political analysts at The Daily Show hilariously observed while debating the numerous ways for the Democrats to "f#@% it up."
