AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@okie,

And now, you want to destroy that "better life" for Muslim Americans. How nice of you!

@cicerone imposter,

Another complete lie without one shred of evidence, ci. I am frankly sick of your insults. Why don't you start posting something intelligent or get lost?

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@okie,

No lie! Just plain facts from what you post on these boards. I have posted a collection of your posts that are nonsense, have no basis in facts or evidence, and that you cannot support when I ask you questions about it.

If the kitchen is too hot for you, better to leave it to cool off.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

My grandfather in Denmark was so poor that he could barely afford a bicycle to ride more than 5 or 10 kilometers to work.

Something quite common in Europe until ... well let's say after the Great Depression.
I don't think that this - owning a bicycle - was really an indicator for poverty. But I agree that certainly a higher percentage of Americans owned one in 1920's.

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@cicerone imposter,

I think what you have collected is a collection of opinions, which disagrees with yours. My opinions are always based upon some evidence and sound reasonings, whether you like the evidence or reasons or not.

And you just implied that I am against Muslims immigrating here or destroying the life they have here, which is a complete lie. I do happen to think that Muslims need to abide by our laws here and not try to start changing things to their liking once they get here. They need to be law abiding and not connected to terrorist cells to even be able to immigrate in the first place. That is my opinion. If you have a different one, fine, but I don't like it when you throw out accusations and opinions about what I think that are totally false and made up by you, perhaps some figment of your imagination, ci.

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@okie,

Your so-called opinions have been challenged and proved wrong. You just don't know how to admit you are wrong; not my problem. Everybody else on a2k except ican agrees with you. You have a big problem with trust and credibility on all of a2k, because your opinions are mostly imaginary with no basis in fact or history.

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@cicerone imposter,

Yes, Hitler was a Leftist, ci. Get over it!!!
The evidence is on my side of that one. Get over it. Who cares if all of A2K is wrong, even Georgeob?

And just so you know I never post anything without evidence, here is but a tiny portion of the evidence, this from Hitler's own mouth:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." --Adolf Hitler
(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/

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@okie,

Never without evidence? ROFLMAO

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@okie,

okie, This is taken from Wiki (they are factual, and you must provide real evidence to refute what is said here; your personal opinion doen't count):

Quote:

With this combination of legislative and executive power, Hitler's government further suppressed the remaining political opposition. After the quick dissolution of the Communist Party the Social Democratic Party (SPD) were the next to be banned leading to a court order that all property and assets seized 10 May. The Steel Helmets(World War One veterans) on 26 April were placed under Hitler's leadership with guarantee they would exist as an autonomous organization to be called upon as an auxiliary police force. On 2 May, stormtroopers ransacked and destroyed every trade union office in the country and 4 May the Christian Trade Unions and all other unions vowed allegiance to Hitler. The State Party dissolved on June 28. The 60 year old People's Party officially dissolved on 4 July. The Catholic Church was given no choice but to support Hitler after dissolution of their Centre Party on 5 July. The right wing German Nationalist Front was forced to incorporate its small paramilitaries into the Nazi SA and dissolved per the "Friendship Agreement". Finally, on 14 July, the Nazi Party was declared the only legal party in Germany as big business and the army stood on the sidelines.[76]

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@cicerone imposter,

Thanks for the supporting evidence of Hitler being a leftie, ci. Hitler doing all of that does not in any way negate what my previous post asserted, from Hitler's own mouth, wherein he declared the Nazis were socialists and opposed to free market capitalism in a free society. Obviously, that is a leftie philosophy, and not at all conservative or right. We should also all know that lefties are often also dictators, so they outlaw any opposition. Outlawing the Communist Party is not any evidence, because as we know, Hitler's brand of socialism was merely a different form of socialism from that of communism. Also notice he did not eliminate trade unions, he only made sure they served him according to what he wanted them to do. By the way, property and asset seizure is what leftists do, not conservatives, so as I said, thanks for the supporting evidence, ci.

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Hitler's National Socialists started out claiming they were socialists. Then they evolved into a dictatorship determined to conquer the world. It worked for a while. Eventually, after Hitler's Nazi mass murderers mass murdered millions, they were conquered with America's help, .

Lenin's Communists started out claiming they were for equal distribution of wealth. Then they too evolved into a dictatorship determined to conquer the world. It worked for a while. Eventually after Stalin's Communists mass murderers murdered tens of millions, they collapsed with America's help.

Now we in America are cursed with Barak Obama's same kind of government as Lenin's claiming they are for MORE equal distribution of wealth.

If America fails to cause them to soon collapse, they too will evolve into a dictatorship determined to conquer the world. It too will work for a while. Eventually after they murder hundreds of millions, they too may collapse, but without America's help,

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@ican711nm,

I share your fears about what Obama would like to create here, but I do not agree that he has any chance of getting to first base with it. I think the American people, even the more liberal leaning, will turn the tide in coming elections to throw these guys out of office, hopefully in favor of more responsible and conservative government. I would not rule out the possibility of somebody being able to establish a leftwing dictatorship in America at some point, but I do not think that point is very near upon us yet at this present time. I certainly hope not. All of this is one reason why I participate on this forum to express my opinion, one important part of that being to warn others of the evils of radical leftwing idealogues and their idealogy.

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@okie,

okie, Obama cannot make our country into communistic or socialistic. Your blind hate of Obama and the liberals makes you one of the more stupid posters on a2k. Your belief system has no reality.

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@cicerone imposter,

I just said that, ci, did you read my post? I said to ican that I don't believe Obama would be able to do that. If you are at all familiar with what the opinions I have expressed here, I do not know for sure what Obama would do if given the opportunity, but I obviously think he is more radical than you think he is. Get over it. The next election will hopefully do much to defang Obama and his legislative agenda.

I repeat, I do not hate Obama. I disagree with him and do not like his policies. Is that hatred, no it is not. How come you libs interpret disagreement as hatred? What is it with you people anyway?

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@cicerone imposter,

Actually, while they are USUALLY accurate, that does not mean wiki is always factual.
Anyone can make an entry on or edit wiki, and there are many things on there that say they still need documentation.

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@mysteryman,

I'm not claiming that Wiki is always factual. If you disagree with what Wiki says about any subject, it's incumbent upon you to provide evidence or facts that refutes it.

Now, back to the subject at hand...

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@okie,

Okie, I hope you are correct that the majority of the American voters will not permit Obama to do what he has said--and often has denied saying--he intends to do.

I worry about four things he can and probably will do while he continues to remain in office until 2012:
(1) Obama can, between the November 2, 2010 election and January 3, 2011 when the newly elected take office, with the aid of his "lame duck" congressional majorities, implement all the rotten things he has advocated but hasn't yet implemented;

(2) Obama can veto any motions by the Congress to rescind the rotten bills his congressional majority has already passed;

(3) Unilaterally without congressional approval, Obama has and will continue to authorize and make expenditures for whatever he decides he wants and cnnot get done any other way;

(4) Obama will continue to interfere with and limit the operation of the private sector of our economy.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

Also notice he did not eliminate trade unions, he only made sure they served him according to what he wanted them to do.

While I'm tired with these "Hitler = leftist" tirades, saying that Hitler "did not eliminate unions" is wrong. (And proves besides that, that the poster has no idea about unions ... beyond his own nose.

On May 2, 1933, ALL unions were forbidden. Their propert, savings etc was given to the Deutsche Arbeitsfront (DAF), which was founded on May 10, 1933.
Thousands of union members were sent in the concentration camps, hundreds killed there.

okie's "statement" is an affront against these victims of Nazism.

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@mysteryman,

Wiki posts warnings when entries are based on opinion, are insufficiently supported and when assertions are made without evidence.

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@ican711nm,

How can you say those things when Obama gathered up retreads from the bush and Clinton administrations, the first being a right wing presidency and the second being a centrist administration and when Obama has been nothing but centrist to slightly to the right as president?

Do you want a dictator to make you happy?

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