AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@cicerone imposter,

Yes, and I apologize.
I misread what you wrote.

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@MontereyJack,

Excuse me???

Where have I ever said anything about "socialistic" spending?
You have me confused with somebody else.

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@plainoldme,

Plainoldme, if I had been permitted, I would have invested all of my social security payments--from age 18 to age 62--in US 3.75% Savings Bonds. Had I done that, my current income from those bonds would have exceeded my current social security monthly income by more than 10% until I lived to 100. After that, I'd receive zero, but I'd probably also be dead.

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@ican711nm,

Most people are not smart enough to invest . . . and most investment vehicles (aka the stock market) are not sufficiently stable to invest in.

I have bonds that my father bought for me. I am grateful but as I have to pay a great deal of tax on the interest, they are just loans to myself.

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No comment:

http://www.nerve.com/scanner/2010/09/09/girl-scouts-breed-pro-abortion-lesbians-says-republican

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Plainoldme, if I had been permitted, I would have invested all of my social security payments--from age 18 to age 62--in US 3.75% Savings Bonds. Had I done that, my current income from those bonds would have exceeded my current social security monthly income by more than 10% until I lived to 100. After that, I'd receive zero, but I'd probably also be dead.

And if you had died or die at the normal life expectancy of late 70's, then your family would have actually had something left. As it is, any children you may have would have had nothing.

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@okie,

You guys really don't understand simple math: the social security payments you made were done over how many years? Get pencil and paper, list the years you worked in the left column, show all of your social security payments you made every year, then calculate what your total "nest egg" will be when you retire. FYI, saving bond rates isn't fixed at one rate; they fluctuate from year to year.

Now, how much did you say you'll have?

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"In a new book, Mad As Hell , pollsters Scott Rasmussen and Doug Schoen use extensive and original research to explore the mind and heart of the grassroots uprising that has suddenly thrown American politics into turmoil. The authors explore the broad-based nature of the new movement and explain how it is reshaping American politics.

The Tea Party movement is not a flash in the pan,as many have assumed. Nor is it a movement of racist rednecks and ignorant boobs, as its detractors have crudely suggested. To the contrary, it is an authentic grassroots movement of concerned American citizens demanding to be heard by an out-of-touch political establishment. According to Rasmussen and Schoen, their concerns are real and their issues are legitimate--whether politicians and elite journalists like it or not."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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@okie,

A pollster, proclaiming that those who make for interesting polls are the 'real deal?'

Shocking!

The Tea Party has lead to more business for Ras. He has an interest in it.

Cycloptichorn

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@cicerone imposter,

If I did that, and I don't have time to do it now or in the foreseeable future, but I am sure from experience working with compounding interest that the total would be significantly more than the simply total of all the money I have contributed over the years. Simply taking that amount plus what the employers have contributed already amounts to almost 200 grand, ci, and even you would not be so foolish as to think it wouldn't likely be much more than that, perhaps on the order of 300 grand or more, or would you?

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@Cycloptichorn,

The reasons I agree with Rasmussen in regard to this, cyclops is simple, it is personal observation. When Rasmussen says this, "authentic grassroots movement of concerned American citizens," I believe he is exactly right because I have observed the Tea Party people personally. I have not participated, but seeing these people down on the street corner and in the park, along with reading accounts in the paper, it provides ample evidence to me that they are not the typical "rent-a-mobs" that Democrats often use, they are local business owners, retirees, and other very decent and respectable citizens of the community that are fed up with government's irresponsibility and they want true change, not the change Obama advertised.

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@okie,

okie wrote:

The reasons I agree with Rasmussen in regard to this, cyclops is simple, it is personal observation.

He writes things that are designed specifically to agree with your personal observations. That's how a right-wing pollster like Ras makes money: by catering to your vision of the world.

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When Rasmussen says this, "authentic grassroots movement of concerned American citizens," I believe he is exactly right because I have observed the Tea Party people personally. I have not participated, but seeing these people down on the street corner and in the park, along with reading accounts in the paper, it provides ample evidence to me that they are not the typical "rent-a-mobs" that Democrats often use

Oh, please. How do you know this just by looking at them? Because they are older white folks instead of younger folks of different races??

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they are local business owners, retirees, and other very decent and respectable citizens of the community that are fed up with government's irresponsibility and they want true change, not the change Obama advertised.

You know this just by looking at them?

You are basically just asserting that Ras is right, because you want him to be right. You haven't provided any actual evidence.... and that's how he works. That's how his polls are designed to work - that stupid one you post shows Obama with big negative numbers due to the way it is set up, but his topline approval is remarkably stable. That's how his analysis works. And you just lap it right up, as if it was the direct line from God. It's a little funny, really.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

It's the same illogic that christians use the bible to verify the bible. Simple concepts seems to escape them.

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@cicerone imposter,

Christians and Jews use actual history to verify the bible.

SIMPLE CONCEPTS FOR RANDOM AS OPPOSED TO DESIGNED EVOLUTION

What is the probability that humans evolved via random mutatuions of the genes of their common ancestor with the mouse?

There are at least 300 genes that humans possess that our common ancestor with the mouse did not possess.

How many parts does each of those 300 genes consist of?

How many unique configurations of those parts are there in each of those 300 genes?

How much time was available to evolve those 300 genes?

How many genes were there per common ancestor?

How many common ancestors were there?

At what rate did a common ancestor's genes randomly mutate?

Absent answers to each of those questions (perhaps even with those answers), it seems to me it takes a great deal of faith to believe those 300 genes evolved via random mutations.

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@Cycloptichorn,

And because Rasmussen doesn't agree with you, then you claim he is wrong. Cyclops, admit it, Berkeley is just about as far from mainstream America as you can find. You might need to live in the Heartland of America for a few years to find out what its really like, where a handshake is still good most of the time.

As an interesting aside, I just sold a vehicle, and took the check from a man I did not know. I trusted him because he seemed like an honest man, and it turned out well. He brought his family out west from Ohio and he commented that people are really wonderful and friendly out here. I agreed with him of course.

By the way, whats with the racist crap and Tea Partiers? Have you not seen the blacks at Tea Parties? Are you that biased and bigoted, cyclops? As the man says, cyclops, "These are my people: Americans"

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@okie,

okie wrote:

And because Rasmussen doesn't agree with you, then you claim he is wrong.

It's not just that he doesn't agree with me; he doesn't agree with any other pollster. His products are consistently and 100% slanted to the right, more so than any other firm. You have to either believe that there is a giant conspiracy on one side to stack all polls against the Republicans, or believe that a Conservative pollster, who directly took money from the Republican party in his past, worked for Bush's re-election campaign, and headlines on National Review cruises, is pro-Republican.

Which one of those do you think is harder to believe? C'mon, Okie.

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Cyclops, admit it, Berkeley is just about as far from mainstream America as you can find. You might need to live in the Heartland of America for a few years to find out what its really like, where a handshake is still good most of the time.

You don't know the first ******* thing about Berkeley, so why do you speak as if you do?

I would also remind you that I grew up in Texas and lived there for 26 years, so your suggestion for me to 'live in the Heartland' is a joke. I have lived there and I know exactly what it's like.

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As an interesting aside, I just sold a vehicle, and took the check from a man I did not know. I trusted him because he seemed like an honest man, and it turned out well. He brought his family out west from Ohio and he commented that people are really wonderful and friendly out here. I agreed with him of course.

Sure. So do I. And people are wonderful and friendly out here too. If you actually experienced a few years out here, you might know that instead of making stupid assumptions.

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By the way, whats with the racist crap and Tea Partiers? Have you not seen the blacks at Tea Parties? Are you that biased and bigoted, cyclops?

What, all 1% of people at Tea Parties who are black?

I'll tell you this, I've seen a hundred times as many people holding up racist, bigoted or just plain mis-spelled signs at Tea Party rallies, than I have seen anyone who isn't white. That's a fact.

I'll believe that these Tea Partiers represent a legitimate force in American politics when I see them present logical arguments for what they want, or even a list of what they want to see happen - positive accomplishments, not vague mutterings about their grievances, with no plans to fix them.

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

What, all 1% of people at Tea Parties who are black?
Cycloptichorn

Unfortunately, it is a fact that the black community has been mostly convinced that their best interests lie with the Democratic Party, and so we see them consistently vote 90% Democrat. And surely you have seen the nastiness come to the fore whenever a black conservative dares to speak out and favor conservative principles and the Republican Party, they are attacked unmercifully, and often the most vicious from black liberals and black liberal organizations. I find that extremely sad. I have posted numerous times that I hope at some point most or all blacks have the gumption to leave the Democratic Party plantation and once again live free. There are in fact many black conservatives, and I suspect the numbers could grow substantially. Perhaps we will see a big shift in this coming election. I hope so.

I really like this video, so will post again.

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@okie,

You clipped out the trenchant part of my post, where I revealed the ridiculousness of your pro-Rasmussen argument. Nobody but the most extreme right-wingers believes that he isn't slanting towards Republican positions and candidates constantly. Nobody.

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I have posted numerous times that I hope at some point most or all blacks have the gumption to leave the Democratic Party plantation and once again live free.

Well, I'm sure you would like that. But many elements of your party do a lot to demean the black community and constantly trash it, so why should they support your party?

There's a socio-economic aspect of it as well; many Blacks are on the lower end of the scale, and they consistently are labeled as lazy bums by your Randian types. Why would they vote for people who say that they are parasites, no good for society?

The funny thing is, the recent anti-Muslim and anti-Hispanic sentiment is chasing these other groups into the Democratic party even quicker. Do you not realize the way demographics are headed in this country? If the Republican party can't get on top of it's minority outreach program, in 20 years they will lose elections in droves, everywhere.

Cycloptichorn

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@okie,

By the way, cyclops, Oklahoma has a farming community known as Langston, where mostly blacks settled and established farms and businesses. They have also had a university there. One place I attended college, we played them often, and what a great bunch of people, their bands were enjoyable and they always had great teams. I wonder what the political breakdown would be for that community, conservative vs liberal, Republican vs Democrat? I don't know the answer to that question, but we know that Oklahoma is a very conservative state, and farmers are very conservative as well, I would bet that less than 90% vote Democrat in that area at least. Very Happy

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

But many elements of your party do a lot to demean the black community and constantly trash it, so why should they support your party?

Typical of your posts, that is frankly silly, cyclops. In fact the chairman of our party is black. And I think he gave the far superior speech at the RNC vs Obama at the DNC, and of course the mainstream media ignored it and trumped up Obama as the second coming.

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The funny thing is, the recent anti-Muslim and anti-Hispanic sentiment is chasing these other groups into the Democratic party even quicker. Do you not realize the way demographics are headed in this country? If the Republican party can't get on top of it's minority outreach program, in 20 years they will lose elections in droves, everywhere.

Cycloptichorn

Again demagoguery at your finest, cyclops, but of course that is what you do. Anti terrorist is what we are. And also anti-illegal immigration, not anti Hispanic. In fact, I used to live in New Mexico, the state was run then mostly by Hispanics, and we had Hispanic neighbors, pretty much all great people like other racial heritaged people there. The fact is that Hispanics and blacks vote more for Democrats because Democrats pander to them constantly and demagogue conservatives and Republicans. I cannot explain this either, but Hispanics tend to be more prone to buy into populist political movements and messages, that is what happens in Latin American countries as well.

I also have relatives living in Arizona, as well as relatives and friends still in New Mexico, and I can tell you this much, there are in fact Hispanic conservatives and Republicans, and many of them are also very very irritated over the illegal problem in the Southwest, and they just wish the laws on the books would be enforced. Obama of course, true to being a Democrat, will try to grant amnesty because he needs more voters.

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