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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 09:06 pm
@okie,
You aren't interested in garbage conspiracy theories? You theorize about a great deal of garbage here. Those theories are tailor made for a rightie like you.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 09:08 pm
@ican711nm,
Why don't you go to the public library and check out some basic books on economics, history and political science instead of posting garbage here and publishing fifth grade level insults?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 09:10 pm
@ican711nm,
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Sigh! I don't really believe you are that dumb! In fact I don't believe you are dumb enough to believe much of what you claim to believe.


A very long time ago, a friend said, "If a fool thinks you are wise, then you aren't." For someone like to call me dumb affirms how smart I actually am.

The right has no ethics which is why I became a leftie.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 09:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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You haven't shown me where I have misstated history or lied about any issue.


He can't and he never will. ican operates socially and intellectually on the fifth grade level. He has no idea what he is talking about.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 09:13 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I wonder if those two Republicans are among those who voted against medical care for 911 first responders?
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 10:56 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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They are doing a piece for the WSJ, what else do you suspect they are? It is a mouthpiece for Republicans and Conservatives


But since I distinctly remember the WSJ supporting much of what Clinton tried to do, how can you make this claim?
IMHO, the WSJ, while it does lean a little right, is fairly centrist in its positions and reporting.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 16 Aug, 2010 10:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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I believe that was $4 billion a week. Might want to research that. GWBush cost this country lot'sa money for an illegal war. He shoved out the UN Weapon's Inspectors to start his war. What was the rush? Saddam didn't have any WMDs


Congress thought they did.
Bill Clinton, when he was pres, thought they did.
Hillary thougnt they did.
Many of the worlds intelligence services thought they did.

plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 05:48 am
@mysteryman,
Perhaps, that was because some people in the bush administration . . . Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, Paul Wolfowitz, John Ashcroft and Donald Rumsfield. . . all decided to made up WMD in order for bush to avenge the threat Saddam Hussein made against bush's father.

Clearly, there were lies told. Lies big enough to pull the wool over the eyes of Congress and much of the public.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 06:27 am
@plainoldme,
Bill Clinton was NOT part of the Bush admin, or did you forget that part.
He was the President BEFORE Bush.
Even his admin thought Iraq had WMD.
JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 09:36 am
@mysteryman,
RE Saddam's WMD MM wrote:
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Congress thought they did.
Bill Clinton, when he was pres, thought they did.
Hillary thougnt they did.
Many of the worlds intelligence services thought they did.

Yes, it was (and still is) an imperect world where spys and world leaders must make analyses and decisions with incomplete and, therefore, imperfect information.

But even then we knew Saddam definitely had a WMD for sure, because he actually used it against his Kurdish population in the north of Iraq before the Americans invaded. Saddam's position after the UN and Bush's ultimatum to disarm, if one actually cared about Saddam, was rather tragic. He wanted his neighbors to believe he had WMD to appear strong but he needed to absolutly prove to the West that he did not have them to avoid a proposed invasion. He tried to play both ends against the middle, gambled, and lost his and many of his fellow Iraqis' lives. What's a proper tyrant to do?

You may remember all the diplomatic calisthenics the Germans and, especially the French President and Prime Minister, at the time, participated in to prevent war. I argued at the time and continue to argue that had the West presented a united front against Saddam (as re the ultimate use of force) he would have made the practical decision and capitulated, thereby saving much blood and treasure on both sides. This recalls an ancient situation and another question: Had Churchill been at Munich to say "No" to Hitler's demand for German annexation of Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland would Hitler dialed back his plans for European domination? A future issue similar to such appeasement efforts, of course, is the West's refusal to seriously address a nuclear Iran.

JM
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 09:36 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

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They are doing a piece for the WSJ, what else do you suspect they are? It is a mouthpiece for Republicans and Conservatives


But since I distinctly remember the WSJ supporting much of what Clinton tried to do, how can you make this claim?
IMHO, the WSJ, while it does lean a little right, is fairly centrist in its positions and reporting.


No, it isn't centrist. Not in the slightest. It leans to the right more than just a little.

Clinton was an economic conservative, other than the fact that he raised taxes. He was a big-business Democrat and the financial papers loved him for that. So it's not surprising that the WSJ supported him...

Cycloptichorn
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 09:56 am
The following is, essentially, the text version of the WSJ video I posted yesterday with, additionally, Pinto's stated remedies to prevent a future crisis:
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The Future of Housing Finance
We'll never get a rational mortgage system until the government's affordable housing mandates are ended.
By EDWARD PINTO

Today the Obama administration will begin a discussion on how to overhaul our nationalized housing finance system. Moderated by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Shaun Donovan, secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), the "Conference on the Future of Housing Finance" seeks answers to what went wrong in the U.S. housing market. This promises to be the next big domestic policy debate—one that could mold housing finance for a generation or more. But the early signs of where policy makers might be headed are not promising.

A consensus is building around a three-part grand bargain:

• An explicit federal guarantee of a large portion of the mortgage-backed securities created to finance American's home mortgages;

• A tax on these securities to fund low-income housing initiatives; and

• A requirement that issuers of securities meet affordable housing mandates.

This is a dead end for two reasons. First, while supporters of an explicit federal guarantee tell us it will never be called upon, Americans have read this book before and know how it ends.


Former Chief Credit Officer Edward Pinto explains how it all went wrong.
The second is much less well known but equally deadly: the central role in the recent real estate collapse that was played by the federal affordable housing policy created by Congress and implemented since the 1990s by HUD and banking regulators.

In 1991, the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs was advised by community groups such as Acorn that "Lenders will respond to the most conservative standards unless [Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac] are aggressive and convincing in their efforts to expand historically narrow underwriting."

Congress made this advice the law of the land when it passed the inaptly named Federal Housing Enterprises Financial Safety and Soundness Act of 1992 (GSE Act of 1992). This law imposed affordable housing mandates on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Thus, beginning in 1993, regulators started to abandon the common sense underwriting principles of adequate down payments, good credit, and an ability to handle the mortgage debt. Substituted were liberalized lending standards that led to an unprecedented number of no down payment, minimal down payment and other weak loans, and a housing finance system ill-prepared to absorb the shock of declining prices.

In 1995, HUD announced a National Homeownership Strategy built upon the liberalization of underwriting standards nationally. It entered into a partnership with most of the private mortgage industry, announcing that "Lending institutions, secondary market investors, mortgage insurers, and other members of the partnership [including Countrywide] should work collaboratively to reduce homebuyer downpayment requirements."

The upshot? In 1990, one in 200 home purchase loans (all government insured) had a down payment of less than or equal to 3%. By 2006 an estimated 30% of all home buyers put no money down.

"[T]he financial crisis was triggered by a reckless departure from tried and true, common-sense loan underwriting practices," Sheila Bair, chair of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, noted this June. One needs to look no further than HUD's affordable housing policies for the source of this "reckless departure." If the mortgage finance industry hadn't been forced to abandon traditional underwriting standards on behalf of an affordable housing policy, the mortgage meltdown and taxpayer bailouts would not have occurred.

Compounding HUD's forced abandonment of underwriting standards was a not-unrelated move to increased leverage by financial institutions and securities issuers. They were endeavoring to compete with Fannie and Freddie's minimal capital requirements. The GSEs only needed $900 in capital behind a $200,000 mortgage—many of which had no borrower down payment. Lack of skin in the game promoted systemic risk on both Main Street and Wall Street.


How should we go about repairing this dysfunctional housing finance system?

The goals should be larger down payments, stricter underwriting standards, reliance on the private sector and private capital, and the removal of affordable housing mandates. If there is to be an affordable housing policy, it should not be implemented by hidden subsidies and loose lending standards, but instead made transparent and funded on budget by the government.

Getting there will take time—probably a 15-year rebuild that fosters an orderly phase-out of government guarantees and a transition to a deleveraged, market-based system. This will require both long- and short-term policies.

Long-term we should consider ideas such as: the proposal by Columbia University's Charles Calomiris to increase minimum down payments by 1% per year over 15 years, bringing them back to 20%, where they had been for decades. Peter Wallison of the American Enterprise Institute has suggested that the private sector be encouraged to grow by reducing the GSEs' maximum mortgage amount by a percentage every year until it matches the Federal Housing Administration's (FHA) reduced limit, at which point the GSEs disappear. I have suggested that the FHA be returned to its former role of serving the low-income market over a five-year period, but with a higher minimum down payment so borrowers have more skin in the game.

Finally, the property appraisal process should be re-engineered along the lines suggested by the Collateral Risk Network, an organization representing the nation's leading appraisal experts. The boom was promoted by appraisal practices that relied on one input—the latest prices that were the result of an overheated market. A return to traditional appraisal theory based on price trends, replacement cost and value as a rental is necessary.


To get the housing finance system out of intensive care, short-term policies need to be implemented that promote deleveraging. Perhaps some of the excess supply of foreclosed properties should be sold to buyers who agree to put 40% down and use the properties as rentals. Josh Rosner, managing director of the research firm Graham Fisher, has suggested that homeowners who voluntarily pay down a portion of the principal on their underwater mortgage receive a tax credit also applied to their mortgage principal. In return, they would forgo future tax deductions of their mortgage interest payments.

While the road to housing hell may have been paved by the government, the road back will be built by the private sector.

Mr. Pinto, a consultant to the mortgage finance industry, was executive vice president and chief credit officer at Fannie Mae in the late 1980s.


JM
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 10:05 am
Fox News gives a $1 million donation to the Republican Governor's Association.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0810/Fox_parent_gives_1_million_to_RGA.html

Shouldn't we drop the idiotic 'fair and balanced' pretense, and just refer to them as the communication wing of the Republican party?

Cycloptichorn
okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 01:01 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Lets face it, some of the other networks are merely mouthpieces of Obama.

There is nothing perfectly fair and balanced in the news networks these days, so I agree to this much, I would rather Fox take that byline off of their network. I think they are the most fair and most balanced, but I think also that they should leave that to us to be the judges of it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 01:05 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:

Lets face it, some of the other networks are merely mouthpieces of Obama.


Can you find any who donate CORPORATE FUNDS to electing Democrats? I doubt it.

Weak sauce dude - you know this isn't good.

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There is nothing perfectly fair and balanced in the news networks these days, so I agree to this much, I would rather Fox take that byline off of their network. I think they are the most fair and most balanced, but I think also that they should leave that to us to be the judges of it.


You think it's appropriate for them to donate money to Republican elections?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 01:06 pm
@okie,
It doesn't matter if FOX News removed their byline, because people like you will continue to believe they are "fair and balanced." It's been proven by your posts, that what they say is the final word. You don't bother to really seek a balance to what they say, because you don't seek outside information.

You don't even understand what the word "balance" means.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 01:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I need to brush up on campaign donation laws. My first thought is that corporations should not be allowed to donate to politicians or political causes, only individuals. Also I think unions should be disallowed from donating. Other organizations like AARP should not be allowed to support political causes or donate to candidates. The rub on this however is my recognition that certain parties and candidates are totally out to punish certain industries and companies, and so how can corporations get by without spending protection money for their businesses? This needs more study.

In regard to your question, whether corporations give or not, prominent reporters and journalists do. So in the end, how much difference does it really make? I think though that obviously donations can and should come from individuals, but it should be up to the networks to balance their staffs with people of all political stripes, or at least they should practice sound and balanced practices of fair reporting.

I think the information below supports what I think everyone should know, that the vast majority of journalists are liberal or Democrat, this sampling in MSNBC showing that close to 87.5% supported Democrats in 2004 through 2008, with only 12.8% supporting Republicans. That is a pretty dismal balance, and I think it explains why news stories are typically so biased, which most of us see pretty clearly, cyclops. And even though they don't have the byline fair and balanced, they certainly imply it by virtue of reporting stuff as news and pretending they are a credible and valid news reporting outfit.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19113485/

"MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties."
ican711nm
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 02:55 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
We have identified why Bush is no damn good. Please identify for us why Obama is no damn good? Simple, isn't it.


It sure is! Obama is no damn good because

PRESIDENT BARACH OBAMA HAS UNLAWFULLY:

(1) taken private property from those persons and from those organizations who have lawfully earned it, and given it to those persons and organizations who have not lawfully earned it.

(2) exercised the authority of his office to take private property for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which guarantees to the People that “private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation,” and without “due process of law.”

(3) interfered with the management of private companies for the purpose of achieving government control of them, in violation of the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

(4) interfered with the economic rights of the people by imposing unreasonable impairments in the fulfillment of their intended contractual obligations, and their ability to enter into such contracts.

(5) attempted to change our fundamental economic system from one governed by the rule of law to one governed by presidential dictate.

(6) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that is not authorized by any power of Congress enumerated in the Constitution, not even by a very expansive reading of the power to regulate commerce among the several states.

(7) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Tenth Amendment by requiring state governments to force their citizens to purchase medical insurance they do not want to purchase.

(8) signed an unconstitutional health care bill that violates the Ninth Amendment by forcing state governments to force their citizens to be denied rights that are retained by the people.

(9) used public money to purchase private companies.

(10) given our public money to a foreign state to finance their state-run oil company while refusing to allow us to develop our own oil resources.

(11) violated the balance of powers among the Congress, the Judiciary, and the Presidency by appointing, without congressional approval, so called Czars with far reaching powers who are accountable to no one but himself.

(12) funded his election campaign with foreign contributions.

(13) permitted the justice department to implement a policy to not prosecute any civil rights or voting rights violations if perpetrated by a black or blacks against a white or whites.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 04:30 pm
@okie,
okie wrote:
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I need to brush up on campaign donation laws. My first thought is that corporations should not be allowed to donate to politicians or political causes


Your thoughts don't matter; it's the practice that's common is what counts.
Get over yourself; you're usually wrong.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Tue 17 Aug, 2010 04:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Check out the Supreme Court decision from around Jan 20th, 2010 re corporate donations. It made headlines back then. Did you not notice that, Okie?
 

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