Israeli baby killers in gaza

mysteryman wrote:

Zippo wrote:
By the way. ALL Israeli citizens are legitimate targets for Hamas terrorists:

Since Israel is a militarist state that requires all young men and women to serve in the military, there are no civilians. There are only paramilitary, active military, and inactive military. Thus, all young people in Israel are fair game for the resistance.

You could make the same argument about the Palestinians also, therefore using your argument Israel has every right to target civilians.
After all, according to your logic there are no Palestinian civilians.

So you're comparing Palestinians without a country, without a government, without a military, without a military service requirement, without weapons...With Israel? Laughing

I'd only expect this comparason from a retard. You're comparing a 'democracy' with a terrorist organisation (Hamas) as being the same.

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Zippo wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Zippo wrote:
By the way. ALL Israeli citizens are legitimate targets for Hamas terrorists:

Since Israel is a militarist state that requires all young men and women to serve in the military, there are no civilians. There are only paramilitary, active military, and inactive military. Thus, all young people in Israel are fair game for the resistance.

You could make the same argument about the Palestinians also, therefore using your argument Israel has every right to target civilians.
After all, according to your logic there are no Palestinian civilians.

So you're comparing Palestinians without a country, without a government, without a military, without a military service requirement, without weapons...With Israel?

I'd only expect this comparason from a retard. You're comparing a 'democracy' with a terrorist organisation (Hamas) as being the same.

If Hamas is not a govt, how can they have a Prime Minister?

Quote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337030,00.html

And if Hamas isnt a govt, how can they have won the election and control the Gaza strip?
Hamas claims to be a legitimate govt, so any actions taken by Hamas against Israel is an act of war.

So, is Hamas a govt or not?

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mysteryman wrote:

Zippo wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Zippo wrote:
By the way. ALL Israeli citizens are legitimate targets for Hamas terrorists:

Since Israel is a militarist state that requires all young men and women to serve in the military, there are no civilians. There are only paramilitary, active military, and inactive military. Thus, all young people in Israel are fair game for the resistance.

You could make the same argument about the Palestinians also, therefore using your argument Israel has every right to target civilians.
After all, according to your logic there are no Palestinian civilians.

So you're comparing Palestinians without a country, without a government, without a military, without a military service requirement, without weapons...With Israel?

I'd only expect this comparason from a retard. You're comparing a 'democracy' with a terrorist organisation (Hamas) as being the same.

If Hamas is not a govt, how can they have a Prime Minister?

Quote:
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — The Hamas prime minister called publicly Wednesday for a period of calm with Israel, laying out conditions that would end attacks on Palestinian militants, open Gaza's borders and lift economic sanctions.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337030,00.html

And if Hamas isnt a govt, how can they have won the election and control the Gaza strip?
Hamas claims to be a legitimate govt, so any actions taken by Hamas against Israel is an act of war.

So, is Hamas a govt or not?

According to Israel and U.S they are a terrorist organisation.
( http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/rpt/fto/2801.htm )

You're fcuked buddy. You can't have it your way when it suites your agenda. Laughing

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mysteryman wrote:

Zippo,
Are you saying that Hezbollah, Hamas, and the other Palestinian terror groups are NOT targeting Israeli civilians?

so you lose the argument and throw in a big fat red herring!
nice.
Israel kills civilians...........all day long....with intent and they love it.

and only brain washed robots 'know' otherwise.

Israel the only democracy in the middle east..........my ass!

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mysteryman, all of a sudden you want to recognize Hamas as a legitimate government so you can kill 'em all.

Thats some funny sh!t Laughing

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Zippo wrote:

mysteryman, all of a sudden you want to recognize Hamas as a legitimate government so you can kill 'em all.

Thats some funny sh!t

Show one time where I have said they are NOT a legitimate govt!!!
I have never said they werent, you did.

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The last time I checked, I only have one life to live. So, as an American, I am basically concerned about American concerns. Why? Because, Israelis and Palestinians have some concerns to work out in their part of the world, I am not going to be exploited by them on an emotional level, and take their concerns as my concerns. I don't like to think of myself as being exploited. Perhaps, other Americans find fighting (on an emotional/intellectual level) someone else's battles is rewarding. To me, I just would feel exploited. And, to all a good night!

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Foofie wrote:

The last time I checked, I only have one life to live. So, as an American, I am basically concerned about American concerns. Why? Because, Israelis and Palestinians have some concerns to work out in their part of the world, I am not going to be exploited by them on an emotional level, and take their concerns as my concerns. I don't like to think of myself as being exploited. Perhaps, other Americans find fighting (on an emotional/intellectual level) someone else's battles is rewarding. To me, I just would feel exploited. And, to all a good night!

as an impartial pro-israeli American who has been educated by Fox.

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stevewonder wrote:

Foofie wrote:
The last time I checked, I only have one life to live. So, as an American, I am basically concerned about American concerns. Why? Because, Israelis and Palestinians have some concerns to work out in their part of the world, I am not going to be exploited by them on an emotional level, and take their concerns as my concerns. I don't like to think of myself as being exploited. Perhaps, other Americans find fighting (on an emotional/intellectual level) someone else's battles is rewarding. To me, I just would feel exploited. And, to all a good night!

as an impartial pro-israeli American who has been educated by Fox.

So you are saying that everyone that thinks Israel has the right to exist thinks that the Palestinians dont have the right to exist also?

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Zippo wrote:

So you're comparing Palestinians without a country, without a government, without a military, without a military service requirement, without weapons...With Israel? ......

Without weapons??? You're claiming all of those rockets and an entire generation of children trained up to be suicide bombers are imaginary??

The "babies" which the evil Jews are trying to kill....

http://pmw.org.il/

Still looking for a response to a question I've posted several times in response to your oiinking bullshit, zippo; the question involves your hero Uncle Dolf...

The problem I have understanding the history of nazi Germany is that Germans are supposed to be a superior intellectual race and Hitler was supposed to be some sort of an all-around genius. That makes several of the things you read about WW-II very hard to understand.

Basically, the Japanese should not have been there; they were totally dependant upon their merchant marine and yet had no clearcut idea of how to conduct antisubmarine warfare. But Hitler and the nazis had several very clear cut chances to win and, in fact, there are about a baker's dozen things Hitler could have done differently, any two or three of which would likely have won the war for him.

He could have simply not invaded Russia. The CCCP was on the edge of collapse in 37 - 39; he could have waited five years and picked up the pieces for free.
He could have started WW-II with the 300 ocean-going U-Boats which Doenitz wanted instead of spending money on pocket battleships.
He could have built medium-sized carriers like our Independance class to go out with the U-Boats and had fighter cover over the U-Boats so that escort ships could not attack them. A wolfpack with fighter cover could have sat there on the surface and sunk entire convoys.
He could have made Franco some sort of an offer he'd have been unable to refuse and gained control over Gibralter and the Med.
He could have entered the war with some sort of a modern rifle in his soldieres hands instead of Mausers. That was basically stupid.
He could have given the goahead for using the jet Messerschmidt as an area defense fighter in 39. Allied bombers would never have been able to fly over Germany had he done so.

There are a dozen or so others like that, like I say, doing any two or three of those things right would have won for him.

In fact, in sharp contrast to American, British, and japanese doctrine which called for carriers having to carry three categories of aircraft (fighters, dive bombers, and torpedo planes), a light carrier travelling with German U-boat packs would have needed to carry only fighters, aviation fuel, and machinegun ammo and possibly rockets, a very simple and light proposition, since the striking arm of the fleet would have been the U-boats.

What went wrong???? How could a genius like your hero Uncle Adolf not have figured such a simple-minded thing out?? England would have been strangled in less than a year.

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gungasnake wrote:

Zippo wrote:

So you're comparing Palestinians without a country, without a government, without a military, without a military service requirement, without weapons...With Israel? ......

Without weapons??? You're claiming all of those rockets and an entire generation of children trained up to be suicide bombers are imaginary??

The "babies" which the evil Jews are trying to kill....

http://pmw.org.il/

Still looking for a response to a question I've posted several times in response to your oiinking bullshit, zippo; the question involves your hero Uncle Dolf...

The problem I have understanding the history of nazi Germany is that Germans are supposed to be a superior intellectual race and Hitler was supposed to be some sort of an all-around genius. That makes several of the things you read about WW-II very hard to understand.

Basically, the Japanese should not have been there; they were totally dependant upon their merchant marine and yet had no clearcut idea of how to conduct antisubmarine warfare. But Hitler and the nazis had several very clear cut chances to win and, in fact, there are about a baker's dozen things Hitler could have done differently, any two or three of which would likely have won the war for him.

He could have simply not invaded Russia. The CCCP was on the edge of collapse in 37 - 39; he could have waited five years and picked up the pieces for free.

He could have started WW-II with the 300 ocean-going U-Boats which Doenitz wanted instead of spending money on pocket battleships.

He could have built medium-sized carriers like our Independance class to go out with the U-Boats and had fighter cover over the U-Boats so that escort ships could not attack them. A wolfpack with fighter cover could have sat there on the surface and sunk entire convoys.

He could have made Franco some sort of an offer he'd have been unable to refuse and gained control over Gibralter and the Med.

He could have entered the war with some sort of a modern rifle in his soldieres hands instead of Mausers. That was basically stupid.

He could have given the goahead for using the jet Messerschmidt as an area defense fighter in 39. Allied bombers would never have been able to fly over Germany had he done so.

There are a dozen or so others like that, like I say, doing any two or three of those things right would have won for him.

In fact, in sharp contrast to American, British, and japanese doctrine which called for carriers having to carry three categories of aircraft (fighters, dive bombers, and torpedo planes), a light carrier travelling with German U-boat packs would have needed to carry only fighters, aviation fuel, and machinegun ammo and possibly rockets, a very simple and light proposition, since the striking arm of the fleet would have been the U-boats.

What went wrong???? How could a genius like your hero Uncle Adolf not have figured such a simple-minded thing out?? England would have been strangled in less than a year.

Gung, Qussams are toys compared to U.S military hardware that we give to Israel, i.e cluster bombs, lazer guided missiles, jets, machine guns, tanks and nuclear weapons. You sound just a little bit foolish, trying to make that claim.

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Hitler hey? Laughing

Read the article below:

Quote:

Adolf Eichmann's list

From The Sunday Times
March 16, 2008

It is one of the enduring mysteries of the second world war. More than 800 Jews based in this hospital in the middle of Nazi Berlin survived the war, seemingly -- and bizarrely -- protected by Adolf Eichmann, the architect of the Final Solution. So who were they and why were they saved?..

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88965

So, he kills Jews he is evil, he saves lives he is evil? What does he have to do to please you?

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Quote:

Gung, Qussams are toys compared to U.S military hardware that we give to Israel, i.e cluster bombs, lazer guided missiles, jets, machine guns, tanks and nuclear weapons. You sound just a little bit foolish, trying to make that claim.

And not a single one of those will stop a suicide bomber that is determined to carry out his or her mission and isnt afraid to die.

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Just because Palestinian terrorists and Nazis have killing Jews in common doesn't make them similar, since German Jews had been German citizens, while Israeli Jews are not Palestinian citizens. One was a civil war against an unarmed populace (Germany); the other (Israel/Palestine) is against a neighbor that both parties are in an adversarial relationship.

Personally, I would leave Hitler out of the equation on the thread.

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Zippo wrote:

Gung, Qussams are toys compared to U.S military hardware that we give to Israel, i.e cluster bombs, lazer guided missiles, jets, machine guns, tanks and nuclear weapons. You sound just a little bit foolish, trying to make that claim.

Basic difference: Israel has never really used any of that stuff on slammite civilian targets while you have to assume that if "palestinians" ever had any such for ten minutes, it would get used on Israel on minute number eleven.

There aren't really any good guys in the slammite world, but you have three particular groups, i.e. "palestinians", albanians, and chechens, who are basically savages.

But that doesn't really address the question I asked, does it? How does a political genius like your hero Uncle Dolf miss an idea as simple as as building the lightest, cheapest kinds of carriers and sending U-Boat packs out with fighter cover? I mean the entire nazi organization had to have known that Doenitz planned to have the wolf packs operating on the surface next time out and the kind of carrier I'm talking about wouldn't cost much more to build than a large freighter.

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Give you an idea of how far Israelis go to protect what amounts to the civilian population of enemy nations.... Both the US and Israel have targeting capabilities which would let us put a 155mm round down on top of a rocket launcher while the rocket was still in the air simply working backwards from trajectories.

The hazbullies and palis both launch rockets from straight on top of civilian housing and, hard as this is to believe, the Israelis for that reason refrain from using artillery in that manner. Try asking yourself how long any German or Japanese civilians would have lived under the same circumstances, the same tactics being used against Ike or MacArthur....

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gungasnake wrote:

Give you an idea of how far Israelis go to protect what amounts to the civilian population of enemy nations.... Both the US and Israel have targeting capabilities which would let us put a 155mm round down on top of a rocket launcher while the rocket was still in the air simply working backwards from trajectories.

The hazbullies and palis both launch rockets from straight on top of civilian housing and, hard as this is to believe, the Israelis for that reason refrain from using artillery in that manner. Try asking yourself how long any German or Japanese civilians would have lived under the same circumstances, the same tactics being used against Ike or MacArthur....

It is nothing new that many in this world holds Jews (Israel in this case) to a higher moral standard that other countries are held to. Why? I'm only guessing, but I believe it may have to do with the fact that Jews sort of focussed first on a less pagan orientation to morality. Or, perhaps, something to do with the Ten Commandments and the Israelites (that whole Chosen story). So, I am not surprised when anyone focusses on Israel doing that which other nations would do, and perhaps less, even though, as you point out, they have the capability to do more.

In effect, Israel is aware that the world's sympathy for Jews is thinner than the sympathy for other nations that are attacked. I'm not saying Israel doesn't have concern for the civilians living in buildings that terrorists are using as a launching pad (as you point out), but there is, I believe, also a realistic accessment of the double standard the world holds them to.

But, nations are not supposed to overreact. Escalation is a well planned out "dance" (step by step). And, I believe, Israel wanting to be given credence as an established nation, will hold to these political mores. In effect, when it comes time for Israel to retaliate, the opposition will have dug their own grave, by Israel being stoic for so long. We'll all stay tuned for the next episode of Israelis versus Arabs. This is better than anything that was, or is, on tv, in my opinion.

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Rabbi: death of one Jew equals death of the whole universe

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6256/2146/400/Levi1_a.1.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6256/2146/1600/death_of_Jew_universe.1.jpg

RELIGIOUS BASIS OF ISRAELI DISREGARD FOR ARAB LIFE

In the screenshot above, from July 28, 2006, in the second paragraph, we encounter a frank admission that the Talmud decrees that the death of "one Jew" is tantamount to the death of the entire universe. Not a gentile, not an Arab, only the life of a 'Jew' is sacred on so cosmic a scale.

This admission is important for two reasons: 1. for its application to the Israeli holocaust in Lebanon, as one more indicator of the Talmudic basis for the Israeli massacre of non-Judaics.

2. As proof that Steven Spielberg is a liar. He made this Talmud quote the epigram of his film, "Schindler's List," but he falsified the wording to read, "Whoever saves one life, saves the entire world." This supposed warm, fuzzy Talmudic universalism has entered the mythos of the West and is quoted on a weekly basis by airhead newspaper editors, Rotarian luncheon speakers, the wolves of Judeo-Churchianity
and even activists of the Polish branch of the Socialist Workers' Party (see penultimate paragraph).

But that's not what Talmud Bavli tractate Sanhedrin 37a says, as Rabbi Brackman would be the first to testify. Only the life of a Judaic is worth the entire universe. A gentile's -- well, you can see what a gentile's life is worth in the killing fields of Lebanon.

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"Gunga the Goyim" Laughing

Sounds Kewl!

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Zippo wrote:

Rabbi: death of one Jew equals death of the whole universe

RELIGIOUS BASIS OF ISRAELI DISREGARD FOR ARAB LIFE

In the screenshot above, from July 28, 2006, in the second paragraph, we encounter a frank admission that the Talmud decrees that the death of "one Jew" is tantamount to the death of the entire universe. Not a gentile, not an Arab, only the life of a 'Jew' is sacred on so cosmic a scale.

This admission is important for two reasons: 1. for its application to the Israeli holocaust in Lebanon, as one more indicator of the Talmudic basis for the Israeli massacre of non-Judaics.

2. As proof that Steven Spielberg is a liar. He made this Talmud quote the epigram of his film, "Schindler's List," but he falsified the wording to read, "Whoever saves one life, saves the entire world." This supposed warm, fuzzy Talmudic universalism has entered the mythos of the West and is quoted on a weekly basis by airhead newspaper editors, Rotarian luncheon speakers, the wolves of Judeo-Churchianity
and even activists of the Polish branch of the Socialist Workers' Party (see penultimate paragraph).

But that's not what Talmud Bavli tractate Sanhedrin 37a says, as Rabbi Brackman would be the first to testify. Only the life of a Judaic is worth the entire universe. A gentile's -- well, you can see what a gentile's life is worth in the killing fields of Lebanon.

Was the Talmud prophetic regarding Jesus (one Jew) dying for the sins of mankind? Sounds cosmic to me?

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Whatever happened to the concept of reciprocity?

If Hamas were engaging Israel in actual military engagements, with uniformed soldiers under appointed officers, then there would be a discernible difference between Palestinian civilians and Hamas military.

That is, obviously, not the case.

Hamas operatives do not function as the world accepts militaries to function. They dress as civilians, hide among the civilian population, launch attacks on civilians from civilian areas. If the Israelis occasionally hit a Palestinian civilian, it's because Hamas is doing its damnedest to keep the Israelis from being able to distinguish Hamas members from Palestinian civilians.

Well, but if Hamas was fighting Israel as a stand-up military, they wouldn't last five minutes, you say? Too damned bad. The world doesn't guarantee that you get to win, even if you're really really mad about something. If the Palestinians want to win a military engagement against Israel, they need to suck it up, develop an economy, purchase real arms instead of toy rockets, and then declare war and hope for the best. (Of course, they'd still likely lose. Again, too damned bad.)

I don't have a problem with thinking of Hamas as (a) a terrorist organization and (b) the legitimate government of the Palestinian territories. People knew who and what they were voting for when they had the election; by all accounts, it was actually pretty open and clean, certainly by the standards of an Arab nation; thus it's not too much to say that it's the legitimate choice of the Palestinian people. That DOES say something about the Palestinian people which you may not want to hear. To put it bluntly, if you're going to elect terrorists to national office, that implies at least some complicity with them yourself.

And no, I'm not Jewish, a Jew, have any Jewish ancestry, or whatever. I don't follow any Abrahamic religion at all. I'd personally be just as happy if all the holy sites in Jerusalem crumbled into dust tomorrow (hopefully when nobody was there). I don't like countries with an express theology. But I do make an exception for Israel; a bunker mentality is not a bad thing to have when people are constantly shooting rockets at you!

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