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A320 Rough Landing @ Hamburg

 
 
Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 01:58 pm
Hurricane-strength winds howled across Europe over the weekend, killing 13 people and leaving a trail of destruction as cars were blown off the road, roofs were ripped off and trees fell like matchsticks ...



And if you say "good grief" when looking at the photo ...

http://i27.tinypic.com/2eds3yv.jpg
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... watch the video.

It really was not only quite windy but got terrible crosswinds there!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:00 pm
Some infos from a pilote's blog:

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a bit of facts:
wind was 290/33 gusts to 49 (time ~ 13:55)
happened on flight LH 044 (D-AIQP) a A320 from MUC
runway for landing 23 LOC-DME (ATIS gave no other option)
after g/a, pilots elected runway 33 also LOC-DME approach and landed safely but minus the left winglet...
immediately after the incident ATIS gave runway 23 and 33 as well

was a hell of a storm today, rocky landings all day round...
KLM refused to depart on 23 in that conditions and preferred to wait for 40 minutes for t/o rwy 33
Emirates A345 tried once 23, 15 minutes later 33, but broke off each time, exceeded bank angles on final, diverted to FRA
other widebody ground service was unable to lift up catering boxes due to windforce...all because of emma.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:09 pm
The damage at the airbus (which is already repaired)

http://i26.tinypic.com/1z31fl2.jpg

Other planes had difficulties in Hamburg yesterday as well

http://i26.tinypic.com/11sh1ms.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/70xlpe.jpg
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:24 pm
Oh my goodness.

These planes should not have been flying, in those conditions.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:30 pm
Looks frightening!

The storms were quite ferocious the past few days. My mother told me
that in southern Germany many many trees fell due to the storm, lots
of damage everywhere.

My brother got hit by a tree while driving through a forest region.
The passenger side got smashed in completely, but he was lucky to have
escaped with only minor bruises.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:34 pm
When they're up, McTag, I guess they must come down. Somewhere, some time.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:36 pm
Nothing like a little near death and adrenaline to breath a little life in you.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:48 pm
roger wrote:
When they're up, McTag, I guess they must come down. Somewhere, some time.


Granted, but surely the weather forcast plays a part in the decision, especially for European (short-duration) flights?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:52 pm
McTag wrote:
Oh my goodness.

These planes should not have been flying, in those conditions.


The actual wind wasn't too strong - it was just the that the crosswinds gusted quite heavily, unfortunately when those planes landed (and fortunately, no one was hurt at all).


Such happens, even with ships.
(For a couple of years one of my log entries was quite "famous": "DBRU clicked palpable in pier Bravo. Appointment made for cosmetical surgery at shipyard-ship 'Odin'."
[It was done with a pencil and later erusred :wink: ])
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:53 pm
McTag wrote:

Granted, but surely the weather forcast plays a part in the decision, especially for European (short-duration) flights?


See my quote above:

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wind was 290/33 gusts to 49


(At our local airport we had wind 45, gust to 70!)
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Roberta
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 02:58 pm
That video should come with a barf bag. Got a little queasy just watching it.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 03:33 pm
In this case the wind was coming from a direction 60 degrees to the right of the runway. With wind velocities of 33Kts with reported gusts to 49Kts that means there was a crosswind component of 17 - 25Kts perpindicular to the aircraft flight path. JUdging by the crab angle of the aircraft as it crossed the runway threshold, the gust velocity was probably higher than the reported 49Kts. The pilot's technique as he approaches touchdown is to use cross controls to point the aircraft down the runway (so the wheels won't be ripped off at touchdown) and, at the same time drop the upwind wing to deflect the lift vector enough to compensate for the crosswind (at least momentarily). In the film you can see this action on the part of the pilot, but also the fact that the crosswind was more than the aircraft could handle without letting the wingtip strike the runway.

He was right to wave off and lucky the outcome wasn't worse.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 03:35 pm
The local airport here was on a 2 hour delay Friday night because of high winds.
My Brother in Law and his wife were going to Las Vegas and had to wait 2 hours before they could take off.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 04:46 pm
this is what happened when an air france jet landed during a thunderstorm at PEARSON AIRPORT in toronto on aug. 2 , 2005 .
got caught in heavy crosswinds , touched down about 500 meters past the mark and landed in a ravine .
NOT A SINGLE PERSON KILLED OR SERIOUSLY HURT - A TRUE MIRACLE !

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/plane_fire/gfx/titlephoto_cp_8174186.jpg

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Drivers watch as an Air France plane burns after running off the runway during a landing at Pearson International Airport. More than 300 people escaped with their lives, some stumbling to a nearby highway to flag down passing commuters, after the jet skidded off the runway and burst into flames during a fierce thunderstorm at the airport. (CP photo/Jorge Rios)


certainly never any fun landing during a thunderstorm - as we found out some years ago when landing in montreal .


AIR FRANCE JET
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 2 Mar, 2008 11:51 pm
georgeob1 wrote:

He was right to wave off and lucky the outcome wasn't worse.


Indeed, that's what all the pilots say (most adding that it was a damned good job).
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