The hottest period in history

Before the dinosaurs there weren't zillions of barrels of oil in oil deposits.

When the earth formed the atmosphere contained a lot of CO2 so was much warmer. Over billions of years, life formed and plants captured CO2 while releasing oxygen. Those plants died, were buried, and became oil. We are now releasing the carbon captured back then back into the atmosphere.

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It has been my policy to ignore your posts because they are seldom worth the time it takes to read them. This post is no different except for the fact that it presents an opportunity to point out just how ignorant and idiotic you are.

parados wrote:

Before the dinosaurs there weren't zillions of barrels of oil in oil deposits.

The period that this program was talking about supposedly came immediately before the mass extinction that opened the way for dinosaurs to evolve, roughly 250 million years ago. However, the Carboniferous Period, whose lush vegetation and animal life supposedly produced the world's supply of fossil fuels, was 360 million years ago, or we had oil some 110 million years before we had dinosaurs.

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When the earth formed the atmosphere contained a lot of CO2 so was much warmer.

This is supposedly billions of years before the Carboniferous Period. The atmosphere and climate were greatly changed by then. The Carboniferous Period is known as the Age of Insects, so there were oxygen-dependent organisms in great number by then.

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flaja wrote:

the alleged dawn of life up to the time of the dinosaurs.

The dawn of life occurred before the Carboniferous Period.

Jurrasic oil resources of the North Sea

Alberta Jurrasic Oil

Jurrasic oil in Romania

Majority of oil in NW China is Jurrasic, Triassic not Carboniferous

Thank you for playing. Have a nice day.

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Global warming hysteria ignores more recent history.

When Eric the Red settled in Greenland about 1000 years ago, it was hospitable and agriculture supported a growing society.

Regional cooling a few hundred years later forced many of these out of Greenland, never to return.

We may be emerging from a cooler period that began in that time frame, but the unanswered question is how did man cause the warming period of 1000 years ago?

Also , why do so many of the other planets in our solar system seem to be experiencing warming? Who has been driving their SUV's there?

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and then we've got the gas-guzzler tax and the EPA changes their system so that MPG comes out to be 2-less all around. I don't mind playing the game, if it's a national interest and all that, but they play with a stacked deck.

That's neither here nor there, but it shows the mentality, that the course of action they have in mind, be it a solution or not and for whatever problems or lack thereof, is to increase the obedience of American citizens. I'd like to see what the money they've spent, less all the action they demanded and got from automakers, petroleum and consumers has done for us...

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real life wrote:

Global warming hysteria ignores more recent history.

When Eric the Red settled in Greenland about 1000 years ago, it was hospitable and agriculture supported a growing society.

This was during the Medieval Wam Period. During this time (ca 700 to 1300 AD) it was so warm that you could grow wine grapes in England and the English actually exported wine to France. The Vikings called North America Vineland because you could grow grapes as far north as modern New Jersey.

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Regional cooling a few hundred years later forced many of these out of Greenland, never to return.

It wasn't just Greenland. This period, known as the Little Ice Age, covered North America and Western Europe and lasted from around 1300 to around 1850.

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Also , why do so many of the other planets in our solar system seem to be experiencing warming? Who has been driving their SUV's there?

Can you document this?

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You're talking about the Permian period, actually, which is after Carboniferous. Both are pre-dino.

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There are oil fields from almost every geologic period, from the CAmbrian to the mid TErtiary(with known petroleum forming areas in the recent period). Ame thing with gas and oil shales.
The biggest amounts of recoverable oils are in the oil shales , in which the US is the SAUDI Arabia of the resource. Weve got, an estimated net (after fuel fro fract distillation)2 TRILLION barrels of recoverable oil from the Green River, Phosphoria, ED shale fields of the Chatanooga and Mahantango, and the HEath fields. We can mine and recover these and drop the price of oil to about 50$ a barrel if we desired but since presently sustained prices are what oil companies desire, its better to buy some land in Wyoming and mine your own.

For those still curious about global climate change and its non-human components, look up DANSGAARD -OESCHGER CYCLES. We seem to be in one.

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flaja wrote:

real life wrote:
Global warming hysteria ignores more recent history.

When Eric the Red settled in Greenland about 1000 years ago, it was hospitable and agriculture supported a growing society.

This was during the Medieval Wam Period. During this time (ca 700 to 1300 AD) it was so warm that you could grow wine grapes in England and the English actually exported wine to France. The Vikings called North America Vineland because you could grow grapes as far north as modern New Jersey.

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Regional cooling a few hundred years later forced many of these out of Greenland, never to return.

It wasn't just Greenland. This period, known as the Little Ice Age, covered North America and Western Europe and lasted from around 1300 to around 1850.

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Also , why do so many of the other planets in our solar system seem to be experiencing warming? Who has been driving their SUV's there?

Can you document this?

I've posted a few links here and there, but there's more available online.

http://able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2901132#2901132

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2902172#2902172

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Oil and natural gas turn out to be byproducts of the planet's basic body chemistry and have nothing to do with dinosaurs or any other formerly living things.

Other than that there have been at least two recent hot periods i.e. the medieval climate optimum and the late holocene climate optimum, or hypsothermal. The later was only a few thousand years back and was much hotter than the present age.

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Whats wrong with you people. According to the bible the earth is only 6500 years old not 100's of millions of years.

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Oil and natural gas turn out to be byproducts of the planet's basic body chemistry and have nothing to do with dinosaurs or any other formerly living things

Good thing that nobody in the industry thinks like this. Otherwise youd be driving conestoga wagons

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I think the hottest period in human history was ancient Greece - practicing the concept of Kalokagathia - beautiful body and mind - working out naked all the time - HOT!

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http://www.amazon.com/Deep-Hot-Biosphere-Fossil-Fuels/dp/0387952535

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flaja said...

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It wasn't just Greenland. This period, known as the Little Ice Age, covered North America and Western Europe and lasted from around 1300 to around 1850.

So since then, the earth has been in a natural warming cycle.
So global warming is occuring naturally?

I thought it was a man made event.

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mysteryman wrote:

I thought it was a man made event.

I thought it was an Al Gore made event?

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Now heres a story from a real geologistcritique of abiogenic oil

While methane is curently forming , it is not , by any means equivalent to the makeup of natural gas. The Fischer Tropsch process is a possible mechanism for hydrocarbon base formation. However gunga, if you are so fascinated by vast oil fields by Fischer Tropsch, or Stripping of serpentinites , or degfassing limestones, youd have a problem in denying abiogenesis of life on earth Laughing

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Cant have it both ways.

I say that abiogenic methane and higher organics are formed in deep tectonic belts, but not nearly in enough quantity to account for the declining amounts of oil in the earth.

LAst year, the largest oil finds have only been able to replace 75% of the petroleum pumped.

Also, if youre familiar with tar sands and oil shales, how can we argue for an abiogenic source for these? Oil shales alone can account for an additional 2 TRILLION barrels of oil rom the US alone, and all these are biogenic fields. You can go visit the Green River Shales in Wyoming and prove to yourself that this giant bed was an inland marine bay deposit with thick units of petroleum from foramaniferan and globigerinoid tests.

Have you actually read Golds book? , If you have any interest in science I think youd be asking lots of questions on its validity

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farmerman wrote:

Now heres a story from a real geologistcritique of abiogenic oil

While methane is curently forming , it is not , by any means equivalent to the makeup of natural gas. The Fischer Tropsch process is a possible mechanism for hydrocarbon base formation. However gunga, if you are so fascinated by vast oil fields by Fischer Tropsch, or Stripping of serpentinites , or degfassing limestones, youd have a problem in denying abiogenesis of life on earth .

Cant have it both ways.

I say that abiogenic methane and higher organics are formed in deep tectonic belts, but not nearly in enough quantity to account for the declining amounts of oil in the earth.

LAst year, the largest oil finds have only been able to replace 75% of the petroleum pumped.

Also, if youre familiar with tar sands and oil shales, how can we argue for an abiogenic source for these? Oil shales alone can account for an additional 2 TRILLION barrels of oil rom the US alone, and all these are biogenic fields. You can go visit the Green River Shales in Wyoming and prove to yourself that this giant bed was an inland marine bay deposit with thick units of petroleum from foramaniferan and globigerinoid tests.

Have you actually read Golds book? , If you have any interest in science I think youd be asking lots of questions on its validity

Biomethane, as opposed to natural gas, has more carbon-dioxide than natural gas does, but once this carbon-dioxide is removed, the biomethane is practically no different from natural gas. They both can be used the same way.

BTW: Natural gas deposits are often found in conjunction with crude oil deposits. Back in the day when energy was cheap this natural gas was simply burned off to be rid of it since it had no market value.

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mysteryman wrote:

flaja said...

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It wasn't just Greenland. This period, known as the Little Ice Age, covered North America and Western Europe and lasted from around 1300 to around 1850.

So since then, the earth has been in a natural warming cycle.
So global warming is occuring naturally?

I thought it was a man made event.

Humans have less than nothing to do with it. The whole shift from longbows to firearms at too early a stage of firearm development was due to the shift from the midieval climate optimum to the little ice age, and no longer having the food supply to grow archers of the right size. Nobody smoked cigars or used freon in those days.

Another way to think about it, if WW-II didn't cause the great man-made eco-disaster, what could?

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