school bullies, and I'm talking about adults!

Out of curiosity...should a child misbehave - how do you think it should be dealt with?

Cane is out of the question?
Social punishment out of the question?

And detention never works that I saw. Neither did cleaning up the school grounds.

What's left? The teachers ability to teach a lesson through reason - which is a talent not all have...or something else?

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Well I'll tell you this, standing on the wall is quite effective

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TTH wrote:

martybarker wrote:
TTH wrote:
How about it is something called "rules"? ....and then who is it exactly that gets to decide which rules to break, when they can be broken and for who?

It would have taken a mere seconds for my son to get his drink. Especially since the machine had already spit out his dollar.
I understand that. I also understand that rules have a purpose. What if 10 other kids were standing right next to your son also wanting the same thing? What if 5 other kids saw this small rule get broken for your son. They would want the same treatment if it came to them. I

What if word spread like wild fire that 10 kids that were standing behind martybakers kids all got to get soda?

My God, every student in the school would riot, converge upon the soda machine, and run off clutching a 7-Up.

Martybakers kid wasn't breaking a rule, he was in the process, in the middle of, a transaction. When the woman walked up, if there was the kid straightening out his dollar, and 2 kids waiting their turn, she should have stood behind the last kid and not let anyone else get in the line.

Oh sweet lord, a whole 45 seconds of the educational systems time would have been wasted, never to be recovered.

In the adult world, that how lines work. When the bank closes, when the cashier is ready to leave...the people already in the transaction or waiting get served.

Rules....next time someone tells you "It's the rules" ask them what purpose that rule serves. I've done it (big surprise, huh?), and most of the time the answer is a bunch of bull. It's either, "I don't know, it's just how it's done" or "Then others would want to do it" (and what's wrong with that?) or was some arbitary rule made so simple minded drones and numbskulls have an easy step by step system to follow, where they don't have to think.

Rage Against the Machine.

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Chai
Please do not put words in my mouth. I didn't say martybarker's child was breaking a rule.

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ossobuco wrote:

Hi, ogionik.

You often post in a spate of resentment. Chances are that in any given instance, in your shoes, I'd agree with you, from my shoes. But all that firewall of resentment isn't really useful for getting anywhere in communicating. I wish you well.. and so, I'll try to contribute to that by suggesting you be more particular. Not all staff members of whatever staff will always be (fill in your own adjective). OK, maybe once in a while, all are actually vile. People can be vile for complex reasons of simple ass covering to fullbodied vileness, and seemingly good for complex reasons, just as complicated. Watch, read.

In many ways, this is what literature is about.

ive met 3 teachers my whole life who weren't idiots and knew what they were talking about instead of reciting from a book. my opinion stands.

sorry.

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TTH wrote:

Chai
Please do not put words in my mouth. I didn't say martybarker's child was breaking a rule.

I wasn't putting words in your mouth....I was the one saying martybakers kid wasn't breaking a rule.

but, falling back on (and again, no matter if it's your words or not) "well these are the rules and rules are to obeyed", should be questioned. Why are these the rules? Who made them up? For what purpose? Are these rules acheiving their purpose?

A teacher that would walk up to a student who was obviously trying to flatten out a bill to use in the machine, and barring him from doing so, is a frustrated control freak.

What did she acheive? Nothing but showing she needs to have some pathetic false power over someone who hasn't learned yet too see people like her for what they are....no fault of his own, that was in fact a good lesson.

If I was there, I would have said "Hey, do you mind if before you lock that machine I get a soda?" I'm 99% sure she would, seeing an adult, and knowing if she refused me, I'd say, "WTF"? Then, I'd buy it and give it to the kid.

If she is so tied up in her own little power trip, and denied me, I say, "Look, I'm diabetic and I'm feeling a little strange, I need to get my insulin from the car, but in the meantime I need some sugar."

Then I would have bought the soda and given it to the kid, and say "RUN!"

Questioning annoys some people. Ask questions.

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Well, not having read all the posts thus far, I will say that there are reasons for some rules (drunk driving), but some are downright stupid or archaic (jay-walking - do it at your own risk or 5 minutes late at a parking meter). I'm on the side of letting people be, for the most part.

In this case, if the child was in the process of obtaining a drink, oy, let him finish the process and on we go.

Some people just covet power and control; they seem to enjoy thwarting others' happiness (and happiness can be a drink).

It's a part of life, however, and her reaction may be no different than his future boss', so best to allow him to learn all facets of human nature.

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Chai
I am not going to quote and re-quote your statements. As far as I am concerned, you inferred it by quoting me when in fact I was asking questions.

Bottom line....I agree with you about asking questions.

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Mame wrote:

Well, not having read all the posts thus far, I will say that there are reasons for some rules (drunk driving), but some are downright stupid or archaic (jay-walking - do it at your own risk or 5 minutes late at a parking meter). I'm on the side of letting people be, for the most part.

In this case, if the child was in the process of obtaining a drink, oy, let him finish the process and on we go.

Some people just covet power and control; they seem to enjoy thwarting others' happiness (and happiness can be a drink).

It's a part of life, however, and her reaction may be no different than his future boss', so best to allow him to learn all facets of human nature.

Tell me about it. i was sent to the deans for drinking out of the fountain once. i dont even remember what happened, i was like is this serious? is this lady f'in serious?

i guess i needed a "hallpass" in order to stop and drink, you know, there's no stopping allowed. unless you have a hall pass. yeah, awesome.

O_o

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I think Chai pretty much summed up how I felt when my son told me this story. What would an extra couple of seconds mattered especially since he was mid-process. Yes, some rules are meant to keep orderly conduct or to keep kids safe but come on.

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reminds me of something i read about police.

"when they went from peace officers to law enforcement thats when the problems started"

doesnt fit exactly, same thing sorta.

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martybarker wrote:

I think Chai pretty much summed up how I felt when my son told me this story. What would an extra couple of seconds mattered especially since he was mid-process. Yes, some rules are meant to keep orderly conduct or to keep kids safe but come on.

YA CAN'T HAVE ANY PUDDING UNTIL YA EAT YER MEAT!!!!

HOW CAN YA HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YA DON'T EAT YER MEAT!!!

All in all, that woman was just another brick in the wall.

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In highschool my summer job was as a swim instructor. For a while I thought it went HOW CAN YA HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON"T KICK YOUR FEET

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Of all people, I am not exactly known to follow rules, depending on their purpose. Schools should teach kids to follow rules. If the parent doesn't agree with that particular rule, then imo that parent needs to bring the subject up with the principal or school board.

I still think the punishment for martybarker's daughter was unjustified by what she described. That must have been hard for you martybarker to deal with that one.

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martybarker wrote:

In highschool my summer job was as a swim instructor. For a while I thought it went HOW CAN YA HAVE ANY PUDDING IF YOU DON"T KICK YOUR FEET

Humph.
And MY abnormal self thought it said Beat your meat..

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