God, how I hate McCain

This could be why he voted against the bill.

"Senate intelligence ranking member Christopher "Kit" Bond, R-Mo., who will lead the charge against the bill, said he is considering raising a point of order against the bill because the provision was inserted during conference. He said he probably would raise this if cloture is invoked.

Bond said the disputed provision would end the CIA's alternative interrogation program, which he said is lawful, invaluable and does not involve torture. He added that the CIA should not be required to follow military regulations for interrogations. Requiring the CIA to follow the Army Field Manual would allow terrorists to know what kind of techniques will be used against them, Bond added.

"The reason they are not disclosed is because everything in the Army Field Manual is republished in the al-Qaida manuals for all of the upper tier al-Qaida members to study, and they will be totally ineffective against them," Bond said."

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woiyo wrote:

Isn't 7 months an usually short deployment for a unit in Iraq? How did Jimmie get off so easily?

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"The U.S. Navy, Marines, and Air Force operate on a four to seven month deployment cycle and have for many years."

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA467294

Apparently, no "special favors" were made.

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woiyo wrote:

"The U.S. Navy, Marines, and Air Force operate on a four to seven month deployment cycle and have for many years."

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA467294

Apparently, no "special favors" were made.

Why are Marine Corps deployments so short? If you are in a long-term war situation, doesn't it make more sense to leave troops in place for long-periods of time? If a Marine Corps unit has only a 4-7 month deployment it wouldn't it likely be removed from the combat zone long before it can understand enough of the tactical situation on the ground to learn how to be effective?

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flaja wrote:

woiyo wrote:
"The U.S. Navy, Marines, and Air Force operate on a four to seven month deployment cycle and have for many years."

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA467294

Apparently, no "special favors" were made.

Why are Marine Corps deployments so short? If you are in a long-term war situation, doesn't it make more sense to leave troops in place for long-periods of time? If a Marine Corps unit has only a 4-7 month deployment it wouldn't it likely be removed from the combat zone long before it can understand enough of the tactical situation on the ground to learn how to be effective?

I served in the Navy, but I can imagine that 7 months in a combat zone is an ETERNITY. I spent 6 months at sea and was ready to JUMP!

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How can anyone hate this honorable man.

Will the democratic party nominee do the same?

U.S. Sen. John McCain's office Wednesday countered speculation that the Arizona Republican would resign this summer to focus on his presidential bid.

McCain spokeswoman Melissa Shuffield told the Phoenix Business Journal that McCain has "no current plans" to step down from his Senate seat.

A summer resignation could create a mad dash to succeed McCain in the November election. Gov. Janet Napolitano would appoint an interim senator to serve until the November election if McCain resigns. State law requires that appointment to be of the same party as the officeholder.

Business and political sources familiar with the issue already are talking about possible interim contenders, including Phoenix attorneys Grant Woods and Patrick McGroder, McCain aide Deb Gullett and Secretary of State Jan Brewer. Phoenix Congressman John Shadegg -- who just announced he was not running for reelection next year -- also could be in the mix. He is a fiscal conservative generally popular with business interests. '

http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/02/11/daily33.html?jst=b_ln_hl

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woiyo wrote:

flaja wrote:
woiyo wrote:
"The U.S. Navy, Marines, and Air Force operate on a four to seven month deployment cycle and have for many years."

http://stinet.dtic.mil/oai/oai?&verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA467294

Apparently, no "special favors" were made.

Why are Marine Corps deployments so short? If you are in a long-term war situation, doesn't it make more sense to leave troops in place for long-periods of time? If a Marine Corps unit has only a 4-7 month deployment it wouldn't it likely be removed from the combat zone long before it can understand enough of the tactical situation on the ground to learn how to be effective?

I served in the Navy, but I can imagine that 7 months in a combat zone is an ETERNITY. I spent 6 months at sea and was ready to JUMP!

My understanding is that ground deployment in Nam was pretty much most of a draftee's 2 years in service; spending a month at a time in jungle combat was the norm for my uncle who was in the Air Cav. The GIs that stormed Normandy in WWII likely were in combat without a break at least until the liberation of Paris and most likely stayed close to the front line until VE Day- 11 months after Normandy. If I had been a GI during the Battle of the Bulge, I would have wanted to be in a unit that had a lot of combat veterans since being around a lot of green troops could have gotten me killed.

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woiyo wrote:

How can anyone hate this honorable man.

Because he is a flip-flopping, philandering opportunist.

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flaja wrote:

woiyo wrote:
How can anyone hate this honorable man.

Because he is a flip-flopping, philandering opportunist.

Please explain in detail, especially the "philandering" part.

Thanks

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woiyo wrote:

Please explain in detail, especially the "philandering" part.

Thanks

He has flip-flopped on GW's tax cuts. He was against them before he was for them.

He has flip-flopped on amnesty for illegal aliens. He was for it before he was against it.

He insulted evangelicals in 2000, but now he wants their support. He was against them before he was for them.

And McCain has apparently flip-flopped on the issue of overturning Roe v. Wade throughout his career.

His first marriage ended in divorce due his numerous extra-marital affairs according to Wikipedia.

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flaja wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Please explain in detail, especially the "philandering" part.

Thanks

He has flip-flopped on GW's tax cuts. He was against them before he was for them.

He has flip-flopped on amnesty for illegal aliens. He was for it before he was against it.

He insulted evangelicals in 2000, but now he wants their support. He was against them before he was for them.

And McCain has apparently flip-flopped on the issue of overturning Roe v. Wade throughout his career.

His first marriage ended in divorce due his numerous extra-marital affairs according to Wikipedia.

I am pretty sure this is the first post you have made here that I actually agree with.

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No, there was this one too..

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Look at it this way: If H KKKlintler actually manages to game her way into the demmy nomination (the demokkkrat party would implode the next day) and John McCain actually ends up the pubbie candidate, then the door is wide open for some sort of a meaningful 3'rd party.

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Aside from every other problem with McCain, a lot of his money comes from George Soros and the Albanian-American lobby which was a major factor in Kosovo and McCain in fact was 4-square gung-ho for that abomination, which most refer to as SlicKKK KKKlintler's 3'rd dog-wagging episode.

I couldn't hold my nose hard enough to vote for the guy. Calling his sorry ass a "Maverick(TM)" is like calling Judas Iscariat a "maverick"...

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gungasnake wrote:

Aside from every other problem with McCain, a lot of his money comes from George Soros and the Albanian-American lobby which was a major factor in Kosovo and McCain in fact was 4-square gung-ho for that abomination, which most refer to as SlicKKK KKKlintler's 3'rd dog-wagging episode.

I couldn't hold my nose hard enough to vote for the guy. Calling his sorry ass a "Maverick(TM)" is like calling Judas Iscariat a "maverick"...

So sit home and watch Clinton or Obama seize the reigns.

Wow gunga -- you won dude!

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In the case of KKKlinmtler vs McCain, there'd likely be a 3'rd party option with a chance to win; in the case of Obama vs McCain I'd likely vote for Obama.

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flaja wrote:

His first marriage ended in divorce... according to Wikipedia.

Yes, his first marriage did end in divorce and what could you expect after his being imprisoned by his Asian captors for many, long years?

By the way, Wikipedia isn't a very reliable source for information.

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flaja wrote:

woiyo wrote:
Please explain in detail, especially the "philandering" part.

Thanks

He has flip-flopped on GW's tax cuts. He was against them before he was for them.

He has flip-flopped on amnesty for illegal aliens. He was for it before he was against it.

He insulted evangelicals in 2000, but now he wants their support. He was against them before he was for them.

And McCain has apparently flip-flopped on the issue of overturning Roe v. Wade throughout his career.

His first marriage ended in divorce due his numerous extra-marital affairs according to Wikipedia.

Times change priorities. Now is not the time to raise taxes on the middle class. The Bush Tax Bill was a bad tax bill and he was correct THEN in voting against it.

Evangelicals need to be insulted as they serve no useful purpose in the political process.

Who cares about his personal affairs (well you do apparently).

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November 30, 2007
New York - Sen. John McCain: Waterboarding Must End, Was Used In Spanish Inquisition.
New York - Sen. John McCain, who spent 5 1/2 years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, reminded an audience Thursday that some Japanese were tried and hung for torturing American prisoners during World War II with techniques that included waterboarding. "I would also hope that that no president would want to be associated with a technique which was invented in the Spanish Inquisition. link

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