Why would anyone vote for McCain?

It doesn't really matter if McCain was tortured or not (except to Foofie, of course), he simply is not capable to be president. Okay, let me rephrase
that as Bush isn't capable either and got into office anyway.

McCain, by his own admittance, does not know the first thing about the economy, he knows very little to none about international leaders (remember him referring to Putin as "President of Germany"). McCain is almost 10 years past the legal retirement age in this country, yet is delusional enough to think that he is qualified to run for the most important position in the US and the world for that matter.

Perhaps he was tortured indeed, and has some residual mental challenges
left.

A Presidential candidate who sings bomb, bomb, bomb Iran in public is a ticking time bomb imo. McCain's temper could be a problem in the campaign and he is easily provoked.

It doesn't really matter if McCain was tortured or not (except to Foofie, of course), he simply is not capable to be president. Okay, let me rephrase
that as Bush isn't capable either and got into office anyway.

McCain, by his own admittance, does not know the first thing about the economy, he knows very little to none about international leaders (remember him referring to Putin as "President of Germany"). McCain is almost 10 years past the legal retirement age in this country, yet is delusional enough to think that he is qualified to run for the most important position in the US and the world for that matter.

Perhaps he was tortured indeed, and has some residual mental challenges
left.

A Presidential candidate who sings bomb, bomb, bomb Iran in public is a ticking time bomb imo. McCain's temper could be a problem in the campaign and he is easily provoked.

This aint a new story and I aint saying I believe it. Simply pointing out that it exists.

Well, to quote Cyclo, you posted it so you must believe it.

McCain has addressed the accusations for years. He could be telling the truth for all I know. "McCain's campaign criticizes group for mailer challenging his POW record in Vietnam"
01.16.08 -- 11:46AMBy Charles Gelman

McCain's campaign criticizes group for mailer challenging his POW record in Vietnam


JEFFREY COLLINS
AP Features

Jan 15, 2008 20:07 EST

Supporters of Republican John McCain on Tuesday assailed a mailer sent to state newspaper editors claiming he sold out fellow POWs to get better treatment while held prisoner in Vietnam.

"Nothing could be further from the truth. I know because I was there," Orson Swindle, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and former prisoner of war, said in a statement about the mailing from Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.

The group's organizer, Jerry Kiley, who said he also is a Vietnam veteran, said in a telephone phone interview that he has been trying for years to spread what he said is the truth about McCain's record.

"John McCain has created this myth that he is a hero and he is not," Kiley said from his home in Garnerville, N.Y.

Kiley's group cites as evidence a May 1973 U.S. News & World Report article by McCain in which he said he realized, on his third or fourth day of captivity after his plane was shot down in 1967, that his knee was so swollen the blood might pool in it and kill him. So he offered to give military information to his captors in exchange for medical treatment.

In the article, McCain said he told the story to make the point that the North Vietnamese only gave medical treatment to POWs if they thought they were going to get something in return. He did not say that he went through with his end of the deal.

Kiley claims information McCain gave to the North Vietnamese led to an increase in U.S. planes being shot down.

McCain's spokesman, B.J. Boling, said McCain never passed military information to the North Vietnamese. He said the campaign was publicizing the mailer "to serve as an example of how we can bring these shadowy groups out into the open."

Kiley said his group sent the mailing to 80 newspaper editors. He said he is considering sending the information to editors in states with later primaries. South Carolina's Republican primary is Saturday.

McCain's state supporters have created what they call a "Truth Squad" to counter the kind of negative attacks that derailed his candidacy here in 2000.

Four years ago in the Democratic presidential race, a group calling itself Swift Boat Veterans For Truth ran television ads that challenged Democratic nominee John Kerry's service record in Vietnam.
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"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I [McCain] did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant." Page 193-194, Faith of My Fathers by John McCain.

One report dated read, "To a question of the correspondent, McCain answered: 'My assignment to the Oriskany, I told myself, was due to serious losses in pilots, which were sustained by this aircraft carrier (due to its raids on the North Vietnam territory - VNA) and which necessitated replacements. From 10 to 12 pilots were transferred like me from the Forrestal to the Oriskany. Before I was shot down, we had made several sorties. Altogether, I made about 23 flights over North Vietnam.'"

In that report, McCain was quoted describing the number of aircraft in his flight, information about rescue ships, and the order of which his attack was supposed to take place.

CalamityJane wrote:

It doesn't really matter if McCain was tortured or not (except to Foofie, of course), he simply is not capable to be president. Okay, let me rephrase
that as Bush isn't capable either and got into office anyway.

McCain, by his own admittance, does not know the first thing about the economy, he knows very little to none about international leaders (remember him referring to Putin as "President of Germany"). McCain is almost 10 years past the legal retirement age in this country, yet is delusional enough to think that he is qualified to run for the most important position in the US and the world for that matter.

Perhaps he was tortured indeed, and has some residual mental challenges
left.

Over 20 years in the Senate, working tax bills is ignored from your analysis?

Over 20 years in the Senate working foreign relations is ignored from your analysis?

But the fact he is 70 years old is relavent?

Compare his experience to the carpetbagger from New York. She can not keep track of her billing records and you will trust her with your taxes?

The youngster from Ill has a total of how many years of service in the House and Senate?

Very shallow analysis, yet not unexpected.

woiyo wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:

It doesn't really matter if McCain was tortured or not (except to Foofie, of course), he simply is not capable to be president. Okay, let me rephrase
that as Bush isn't capable either and got into office anyway.

McCain, by his own admittance, does not know the first thing about the economy, he knows very little to none about international leaders (remember him referring to Putin as "President of Germany"). McCain is almost 10 years past the legal retirement age in this country, yet is delusional enough to think that he is qualified to run for the most important position in the US and the world for that matter.

Perhaps he was tortured indeed, and has some residual mental challenges
left.

Over 20 years in the Senate, working tax bills is ignored from your analysis?

Over 20 years in the Senate working foreign relations is ignored from your analysis?

But the fact he is 70 years old is relavent?

Compare his experience to the carpetbagger from New York. She can not keep track of her billing records and you will trust her with your taxes?

The youngster from Ill has a total of how many years of service in the House and Senate?

Very shallow analysis, yet not unexpected.

Then it is even more embarrassing that after 20 years of being in the
Senate, McCain makes such statements about the economy and international leaders. Was he sleeping for 20 years?

I don't follow your carpetbagger - what's that?

McCain, by his own admittance, does not know the first thing about the economy, ...

... he knows very little to none about international leaders (remember him referring to Putin as "President of Germany").

... McCain is almost 10 years past the legal retirement age in this country, ...

... yet is delusional enough to think that he is qualified to run for the most important position in the US and the world for that matter.

Conservative Sense & Sensibility
The Right's choices right now.

McCain has been -- has so radicalized key conservatives that some have vowed to turn themselves into suicide voters next November by pulling the lever for Hillary Clinton.

Everyone "breaks" under determined torture. The only question is how long a prisoner can holdout, and how little useful information he will divulge.

John McCain was tortured, really tortured by serious men who knew how to inflict pain and suffering, and without the least restraint. He didn't "have" to fly dangerous missions over North Vietnam, but he did it because he regarded those missions as his duty. The Left has criticized Bush for using his connections to avoid going in Harm's Way. Now they would like to make light of McCain's courage and dedication.

He was badly injured leaving his aircraft, and made prisoner immediately on hitting the ground. There he was beaten brutally, bayoneted, and dragged through the streets as a trophy. He was denied medical treatment for his wounds and multiple broken bones for weeks, or months. Once his captors discovered who they had as a hostage, the treatment worsened as they pressured McCain to provided propaganda for them. All they asked in return for a bit of rice and an aspirin was that McCain condemn the United States as an imperialistic outlaw nation out to enslave Vietnam. If you had multiple untreated wounds and broken bones, had been starved and kept in solitary confinement for weeks on end, would you be able to resist? John McCain did.

He could have been repatriated and ended his suffering, gotten proper medical care, but chose to remain as a mistreated POW until every POW who had been in custody longer than he had were released. All he had to do was get on the freedom bird, but he remained loyal to his comrades and the code.

Even today John McCain bears the marks of his courage, gallantry and dedication to upholding the honor of our country. His hair turned white in captivity. His face is misshapen from being bones beaten and crushed by enemy rifle butts. He can no longer lift his arms more than shoulder high because the bones never healed properly. Every day he has to live with some residual pain, yet he has dedicated his civilian life to serving the country. He has been a major player in the Senate involved in domestic and foreign affairs for 20 years. He holds traditional conservative values, but has never been an extremist trying to force reality into theoretical molds. He is strong enough, confident enough in his own beliefs, to stand alone against Party when necessary, and yet knows when conciliation and compromise are necessary.

Who will vote for John McCain? He will get the votes of moderates in both Parties. Older and more mature voters, the largest single reliable block of voters will prefer John McCain to the kid with a lot of charisma, but virtually no experience in life or the brutal practical world of national politics. Those who believe in individual responsibility and want a Federal government that is not all pervasive will prefer John McCain, to a woman betrayed by her husband who would like to insinuate even more Federal government controls into every American's life, and make them pay for it with greater taxes. Those who want to redistribute the wealth, won't vote for McCain, but those who support our military fighting a dedicated enemy will vote for John McCain.

I will vote for John McCain.

Now they would like to make light of McCain's courage and dedication.