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February 5, 2008: Super Duper Tuesday

 
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 12:31 am
Romney and Huckabee split the conservative vote, so naturally it makes things good for the lone liberal, McCain.

But it shows that the conservatives still are by far the majority in the Republican party.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:16 am
Crossposted from the Polls etc thread

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Who did better (or worse) than expected, where? Looking at the Democrats

Before I (finally) get some sleep, let me do an overall review of how the actual results of the Democratic candidates stacked up against the expectations that had been set by the polls.

Surprisingly perhaps, the patterns contrast drastically from region to region.

I'm again using the average of the polls that were conducted in the last five days on the one hand. But on the other hand I can now use the actual results, rather than exit polls, for most states.

The Northeast: Hillary holds her own

Late deciders break roughly evenly, but she has the edge



Code:
NEW YORK

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 53 35

ACTUAL RESULTS (99% IN) 57 40

DIFFERENCE +4 +5



NEW JERSEY

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 48 40

ACTUAL RESULTS (98% IN) 54 44

DIFFERENCE +6 +4



MASSACHUSETTS

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 52 39

ACTUAL RESULTS (95% IN) 56 41

DIFFERENCE +4 +2




The South: Voters rush to the booths for Barack

Obama outdoes expectations, sometimes by double digits


Code:
GEORGIA

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 33 49

ACTUAL RESULTS (95% IN) 32 66

DIFFERENCE -1 +17




MISSOURI

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 46 42

ACTUAL RESULTS (99% IN) 48 49

DIFFERENCE +2 +7



TENNESSEE

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 56 35

ACTUAL RESULTS (98% IN) 54 41

DIFFERENCE -2 +6



ALABAMA

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 46 44

ACTUAL RESULTS (99% IN) 42 56

DIFFERENCE -4 +12



The Southwest: Clinton outdoes expectations

Does 5-10 points better than expected in CA, AZ


Code:
ARIZONA

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 44 40

EXIT POLLS NOW 49 43
ACTUAL RESULTS (79% IN) 51 42

DIFFERENCE +5/+7 +2/+3



CALIFORNIA

CLINTON OBAMA

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 44 40

EXIT POLLS NOW 53 39
ACTUAL RESULTS (30% IN) 53 37

DIFFERENCE +9 -1/-3



But there were other states, too!

And Obama romps home in landslide victories in most of them


In fairness to Obama, the picture above looks less positive about his achievements than a complete Super Tuesday overview would.

Above, I've only looked at the states that had been polled more than once in the past 5 days. But Obama scored many of his eye-catching successes away from the limelight!

  • Obama won COLORADO, by a landslide, when the only recent poll on that state had only given him a hairwidth.

  • He won ALASKA, which hadnt ever even been polled - by a 3:1 margin.

  • He won CONNECTICUT by four points, equalling the best ever poll he had on that state.

  • He won DELAWARE by 11, when the one and only poll on that state had had Hillary leading.

  • He won IDAHO by a whopping 63-point margin (!), a state that had not been polled in months.

  • He won ILLINOIS by 31 points, a state which few pollsters had bothered to do a survey on.

  • He won KANSAS by a massive 3:1, another state that nobody ever bothered to poll.

  • He won MINNESOTA by a massive 35 points, a state whose caucus system had deterred all but one pollster from surveying it (and that one had had Hillary winning).

  • He won NORTH DAKOTA by no less than 24 points - again a state that nobody had polled.

  • He won UTAH by 18 points, roughly in line with the one poll done there just before the primaries.

  • The only state away from the limelights Obama did not actually win (and win by almost exclusively double digits) was OKLAHOMA.

    There, he lost by 24, which was in line with what a last-minute SUSA poll had said but was a lot better than what the rival SoonerPoll had said.

  • Finally, the jury's still out on NEW MEXICO, another state no reliable recent polling existed on.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 01:20 am
Earlier tonight, I reviewed the most polled Republican primary states in the same way, except at the time I was looking at exit polls rather than actual results.

Here's those posts - they are about 4-5 hours old:

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In the South, McCain underperforms, Huckabee overperforms

Going on the preliminary exit polls as they are online now, and comparing them with the average numbers for the polling done in the past five days, we see Huckabee clearly outdoing expectations, and McCain not quite living up to them:


Code:
GEORGIA

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 31 30 28

EXIT POLLS NOW 30 31 33

DIFFERENCE -1 +1 +5




MISSOURI

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 34 25 28

EXIT POLLS NOW 33 29 27

DIFFERENCE -1 +4 -1




TENNESSEE

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 33 22 29

EXIT POLLS NOW 29 24 34

DIFFERENCE -4 +2 +5



ALABAMA

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 36 19 34

EXIT POLLS NOW 32 18 43

DIFFERENCE -4 -1 +9




In the Northeast, Romney overperforms - except in his home state

Again, going on the preliminary exit polls as they are online now, and comparing them with the average numbers for the polling done in the past five days, we see a different picture in the Republican race in the Northeast than in the South -- here, it's Romney who overperforms in NY and NJ, even as actual victory was of course far beyond his reach, but he underperformed in the state he did win, his home state Massachusetts.

Code:
NEW YORK

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 52 23 8

EXIT POLLS NOW 47 34 10

DIFFERENCE -5 +11 +2



NEW JERSEY

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 53 26 7

EXIT POLLS NOW 51 31 9

DIFFERENCE -2 +5 +2



MASSACHUSETTS

MCCAIN ROMNEY HUCKABEE

POLLING LAST FEW DAYS 36 58 3

EXIT POLLS NOW 37 52 5

DIFFERENCE +1 -6 +2

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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 06:54 am
Crosspost from the Polls etc thread

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Insightful if rather depressing analysis of the weaknesses of each of the frontrunners (both Clinton and Obama as well as McCain), based on the state-by-state details of the exit polls.

Quote:
Who Won Super Tuesday?

It's hard to say, but if you put a gun in my head, I'd say John McCain and (very slightly) Hillary Clinton, but the elections revealed weaknesses in McCain and in both of the leading Democratic candidates. McCain blunted Mitt Romney's challenge, but he failed consistently to win over conservative voters. Hillary Clinton won the big states she had to win, and arrested Barack Obama's momentum, but she is going to have problems with white male voters. Obama is having trouble with white working-class voters and Latinos. Here is a rundown.

McCain beat Romney in California--that's the end of Romney. But McCain continues to depend on moderate, non-evangelical Republicans for his victories. In California, conservatives made up 62 percent of the primary electorate; McCain only won 30 percent of them. In Tennessee, 73 percent of the voters were conservatives; McCain won 22 percent. In Missouri, 65 percent were conservatives; McCain won 25 percent. In these states, McCain failed to win a majority of Republicans. And he might face a revolt of these conservatives in the fall. They won't vote for a Democrat, but they might not vote at all.

One group that is clearly dissatisfied with McCain are Republican evangelicals. In Tennessee, which Huckabee won, 73 percent of the primary voters described themselves as born-again Christians. McCain won 29 percent of these voters. In Missouri, 54 percent of voters described themselves this way; McCain won 24 percent. The other group that doesn't like McCain is Republicans who think illegal immigration is the most important issue. In California, 30 percent of the Republicans thought it was; 23 percent voted for Republicans; in Tennessee 25 percent thought it was the most important. Only 21 percent went for McCain. It's not clear how McCain can win these voters over.

Hillary Clinton won most of the big primary states, including California and Massachusetts. Obama won several important states, including Missouri and Connecticut, and, perhaps, more delegates, but many of his victories came in states like Georgia or Alabama that Democrats will not win in November or in caucus states dominated by left-wing activists who are unrepresentative either of the party or the fall electorate.

Clinton got pasted among blacks, but she should be able to win back those voters in November. What's more troubling is her vote among white males and among independents. In California, Clinton lost white men by a whopping 52 to 34 percent. She lost white independents by 58 to 30 percent. In California, 6.5 percent of those voters who didn't vote for Clinton said that gender of the candidate was "an important factor." One must assume that the actual percentage is higher (voters don't like to admit to prejudice) and that many of those voters who would not want to vote for a woman, but who potentially could vote for a Democrat, did not vote at all in the primaries, but will be around in the general election.

Obama, as I previously noted, had trouble with white working-class voters. In New Jersey, which a Democrat pretty much will have to win in November, Obama won only 31 percent of the white vote. Over 11 percent of those who voted against Obama (a group that might also include some Latinos) said that race was an important factor in their vote. Here, too, one must assume that the actual percentage is higher and that it would be even higher among voters in a general election. Democrats can win a state like Connecticut without winning these voters, but it won't win most of the big Middle Atlantic and Midwestern states without them.

If the economy plummets, and Iraq goes up in flames, or if there is a conservative revolt against McCain, then Clinton or Obama could win with some ease in November, but if conditions are muddier, and if McCain is able to win over the Republican base, then the Democrats could be in trouble. McCain should be able to hold the Deep South and much of the Southwest against a Democrat. He will do well among Latinos in the Southwest (especially, perhaps, against Obama). In states like Nevada, Colorado, and New Mexico, he could build a coalition of Republicans, independents, and a share of Latinos.

Democrats will have to win the Far West, the Middle West, the Northeast, and the Middle Atlantic states, and perhaps pick off a border state like Arkansas or Tennessee. White working-class voters make up a majority in many of the key Midwestern and Middle Atlantic states. If a Democrat can't win a majority of these voters in a state like Pennsylvania, Missouri, or Ohio, they'll have trouble winning the election. And as February 5 indicated, both Clinton and Obama are going to have trouble with these voters. Who would have more trouble? My feeling is that it's a standoff. Hillary has less of a handicap than Obama, but she is not his equal as a politician.

--John B. Judis
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 6 Feb, 2008 11:51 pm
Chris Wallace on Jon Stewart talking about super tuesday (and karl rove)

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/John_Stewart_interviews_Foxs_Chris_Wallace_0206.html
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