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February 5, 2008: Super Duper Tuesday

 
 
Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 10:58 am
I figured we needed a special thread for the elections/caucuses on Feb. 5, which will be the closest the US has ever come to holding a national presidential primary. The facts and figures:

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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:00 am
From the Wall Street Journal:
    But for all of the attention Mr. Obama has garnered since his Iowa caucus victory at the beginning of the month, Mrs. Clinton has maintained her big lead in national polls -- and in polls in the big states with delegate prizes far greater than any state that has voted so far. Among the major Super Tuesday contests, Mrs. Clinton has wide -- in some cases double-digit -- polling leads in California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Arizona, Missouri and Alabama. Mr. Obama leads in his home state of Illinois and in Georgia. The demographics in many of those states also seem to play more to Mrs. Clinton's strengths, with big populations of Latinos and white women, groups that helped carry her to victory over Mr. Obama in New Hampshire and Nevada.


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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:06 am
NPR has a good site for state-by-state stories relating to the primaries.

Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball often has thought-provoking analyses of politics.

CQ has all of the facts and figures.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:07 am
Oh, good idea! And lots of good resources.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:29 am
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:32 am
Thanks Joe!

Cycloptichorn
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:33 am
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:35 am
Actually, does anyone have a 'where the race stands' for Republicans?

I suppose it's a good thing that almost all the focus is on the Dems, but it's still a wide-open race there.

Cycloptichorn
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:37 am
Just a reminder: there are a number of other primary elections taking place on Feb. 5 as well. For instance: Kerry Draws Senate Challenge from '07 House Contender
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:40 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Actually, does anyone have a 'where the race stands' for Republicans?

I suppose it's a good thing that almost all the focus is on the Dems, but it's still a wide-open race there.

Cycloptichorn

From Gallup:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/012808DailyUpdateGraph1.gif
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:55 am
A list of open or soon-to-be-open House seats can be found here (biased commentary, but the facts are straight). One other House seat has just opened up. Many of those districts will, therefore, be holding primaries or caucuses to find replacements for the departing (or departed) incumbents.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:02 pm
26 House Republican retirements so far; that's like 15% of their caucus.

They simply ain't going to have the money to defend all their districts, let alone to attack Dems anywhere!

Cycloptichorn
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:02 pm
Well, I'll just cross-post all the stuff I already posted on the Polls etc thread about the Super Tuesday states here then... :wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:03 pm
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:06 pm
Crossposted from Polls thread:
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Republican primaries in California and New York

Update graphs with all polling from December and January on the Republican race in CA and NY:


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As Giuliani fizzled and Thompson dropped out, McCain surged first, and Romney followed. Looks like it's going to be a two-man race between them. For now McCain has the advantage, but the Florida outcome is probably going to make all the difference.



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In Rudy Giuliani's own home state, he is currently being trounced by McCain; in a new Gallup poll this week, McCain is 18-19 points ahead of him, at almost double his rating.

He does seem to have hit his floor now though, at about 20%, so perhaps that'll be where he'll end up on Feb 5 if he hasnt dropped out by then.

Romney is climbing in NY too, but only slowly and he's far behind.

Who benefits from high turnout?

Interesting detail in that last Gallup poll is that, perhaps intimidated by how far off the polls were in the last couple of primaries, it gives two sets of numbers for the NY and CA primaries (both Dems and Reps: one for a low turn-out election and one for a high-turnout election.

The differences are not large - 4 points more or less at most for any candidate. But it gives an indication of which candidates would benefit from an increased turnout. In California, a high turnout in the Dem primary would hurt Hillary; in NY, it wouldnt make much difference.

In the Republican primary in NY, a high turnout would benefit Giuliani and also McCain, and would hurt Romney and Huckabee. In California too, it would hurt Romney, but not Huckabee.
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:09 pm
Crossposted from Polls etc thread:

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Republican Primaries - Super Tuesday States

I hadnt yet posted a comprehensive overview of the state of the races in the various Super Tuesday states for the Republican primaries, like I did for the Dems in that table I linked back in above. So here goes, updated today!


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Now this one is purely for entertainment only; a map of which Republican candidate would win in which state based on the polling at hand right now!

Purely for entertainment's sake, of course - because if you look at how much the Republican primaries are still in flux, you know that this map should change pretty drastically in the week that's ahead. Especially considering that some of the polls this is based on (Idaho, Utah, Delaware) are months old.

Nevertheless, it gives a nice enough sense of where the respective candidate's strengths are. Blue is for McCain, orange is for Romney, green is for Huckabee, and that red in Delaware represents a lead that Rudy had back in October. (He also led by 5 points in Minnesota back in September, and by by 18 points in New Mexico back in, oh, January 2007, but I decided to just leave those off.)


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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:10 pm
Crossposted from Polls etc thread:

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Oooh.. this is useful!

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Demos for next Democratic primaries

Washington Post
Behind the Numbers

As attention turns to South Carolina and beyond, here are some sex, race and age breakdowns from 2004 contests (where available from NEP exit polls). Percentages listed are the size of each group in the state's Democratic primary in 2004 (e.g., 57 percent of all Democratic voters in South Carolina four years ago were women, 47 percent were African American)...

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Jan. 26
Women White Black Latino 18-29 65+

S.C. 57 51 47 1 9 20


Jan. 29
Women White Black Latino 18-29 65+

Fla. 55 69 21 9 6 35


Feb. 5
Women White Black Latino 18-29 65+

Ariz. 59 72 2 17 7 33
Calif. 53 68 8 16 11 22
Conn. 53 89 7 2 5 27
Del. 57 79 16 2 9 23
Ga. 56 49 47 3 11 19
Mass. 54 90 5 3 9 26
Mo. 52 82 15 1 9 24
N.Y. 57 65 20 11 8 26
Okla. 53 82 8 2 6 30
Tenn. 54 74 23 1 7 23


Feb. 9
Women White Black Latino 18-29 65+

La. 54 48 46 5 7 23


Feb. 12
Women White Black Latino 18-29 65+

Md. 58 58 35 3 8 22
Va. 56 63 33 2 8 23



By Jon Cohen | January 22, 2008; 11:18 AM ET
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:11 pm
Crossposted from Polls etc thread:

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The Christian Science Monitor charts out the demographics of the Feb 5 states.

First observations are pretty commonplace: Obama can count on the black vote (as SC has definitively proven), which is important in GA and AL; and he has an appeal among "independents, college students, and well-educated and affluent whites" that he will have to use.

But is that in itself enough? I wouldnt think so. But the article then continues to make two interesting additional points: Obama will "make precision strikes" in states that overall might go Hillary - in almost all or all states, delegates are accorded proportionally, and in many states, they are awarded by district, meaning that a regional focus can get scores. And Obama is organising in caucus elections in some less obvious states, where Hillary's campaign is almost absent:

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Obama, however, is taking a more piecemeal approach. Because votes in most Democratic contests are awarded proportionally, he will need to make precision strikes within states where Clinton is strong. Cities with many blacks, like New York, and liberal enclaves, like the San Francisco Bay Area, are on his list of targets, as are independents in New Jersey and California.

He is looking for a rout in his delegate-rich home state of Illinois. But he is also courting voters in six states caucusing on Feb. 5 - Kansas, Minnesota, Colorado, Alaska, North Dakota, and Idaho - where an aggressive turnout drive could reprise his success in Iowa.

"In many of these states, our opponents are not engaged in any organizing," Obama's campaign manager, David Plouffe, blogged earlier this month. "We firmly believe you cannot build a caucus operation in a matter of four weeks, so we are at a decided advantage."

If Obama captures traditionally "red" heartland states on Feb. 5, he will no doubt argue that they reflect his ability to unite voters across the ideological spectrum against a Republican foe in November.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:12 pm
blatham wrote:
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 12:13 pm
Crossposted from Polls etc thread:

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Democratic primaries in California and New York

Update graphs with all polling from December and January on the Dem race in CA and NY:

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/5458/cademsiz1.png

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6462/nydemswd6.png

Not a whole lotta movement in either race at the moment...
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