Dear America ... ... a letter from Europe

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When i compare India and USA in respect of prison population and police personal for every 1000 citizens then I come to the conculussion America has got more problem internally.

In your exhausting comparisons don't forget to include literacy, education, public health, life expectancy, and per capita gross domestic product. Perhaps India has other urgent priorities.

Literacy is one thing and health care is another thing that belittle the puny pathetic world to make the soup sipping never ending corporate controlled country sir.

Now what the hell does that mean????

I have no regrets for my above response, nor I wish to disturb the participants view.
For me Issues are more important than intelettual EngliBush

Ajnd, praytell, what issues concern you? it is very hard to tell from the disjointed words & ideas you assemble in your usually incomprehensible posts.

You certainly communicate a presumption of moral superiority on your own part and, as well, one of distain for the United States. However, beyond that, it is very difficult to make sense out of your ramblings. Mostly they give the reader the impression of someone driven by seriously neurotic, misplaced hostility and delusions of personal superiority. It isn't particularly interesting or enlightening for others here, and it contributes very little indeed to the quality of these discussions.

It doesn't have to be that way. You could also chose to deal with others here on a more rational and balanced basis. It is unfortunate that, for whatever reason, you persistently, choose not to do that.

No one and no country is perfect or free of moral defects. Your professed athiesm and Marxism don't make you better than others and, frankly, aren't very interesting to your readers. Your typical response to criticism in any form is to retreat behind childish assertions of remote, disinterested superiority. These are not the attributes of a mature person interested in reasonable discourse.

What?

Margo I will post a thread in due course.
Please don't mistake me that I had not bestowed my attention to your question.
Here is one cut and paste from an European who had admired American way of life alomost most of his youthful life.

t's sad because it's another example of the steadily widening gulf between the political culture in the US and that in the rest of the west, exemplified by the Iraq war (leaving aside, if possible, the UK's culpable complicity in it), the so-called "war on terror" and its implications for civil liberties, extraordinary rendition and Guantanamo Bay, the role of religion, attitudes to capital punishment and the treatment of prisoners, demonstrative patriotism, and now the role of the US sub-prime market in bringing about the impending recession which will engulf the rest of us as well as the United States. Alas, it's no longer the case that the rest of the civilised world looks to the US as its moral and political leader. And I fear that the causes of this ever-widening gulf go much deeper than just the consequences of the catastrophic presidency of G W Bush: whoever succeeds him will not be able to build a durable bridge across it. Many of us small-L liberals used to feel that we had more in common with our American cousins than with our historical enemies just across the English Channel, the French and the Germans, and even our slightly more distant historical friends, the Scandinavians and the Dutch. I don't think that's true any more.
I stress that I don't write this in any spirit of holier-than-thou: I view our own political (and economic and commercial and social) system in the UK as grievously flawed, and in urgent need of repairs that it's clearly not about to get. I'm not talking only about our hideously mistaken collaboration in the Kosovo and Iraq war crimes, but also about the gross and growing inequality in our society, the subordination of human and social need to the unscrupulous demands of the market, the reduction of most of our fellow-citizens to an army of stressed, weary wage slaves, the political and constitutional illiteracy of much of our population, the poisonous effects of large parts of our unprincipled and degraded media, the cowardice, puerile tribalism and tunnel vision of most of our politicians, the subversive consequences of our still rampant class system on our schools and health care, the commercial corruption of popular culture, the emergence of football (i.e. soccer, and to a lesser degree other kinds of sport) as a national religious cult, the concerted assault on our ancient liberties on the pretext of a stupidly misrepresented terrorist threat, the disgusting and shameful state of our prisons, the collapse of family life in our inner cities and the violence, drunkenness, teen-aged pregnancies and other self-destructive anti-social behaviour that it generates, the xenophobia and sentimentalised WWII nostalgia that disfigures our patriotism, the lack (since the treacherous perversion of the Labour Party by Blair and his associates) of a major political party whose principles are founded on a generous-spirited democratic socialist philosophy, and our gruesome climate. I could go on…. and on…
http://www.barder.com/ephems/754

Dear Americans
Can you bestow your top concentration
to end the concentration of wealth and power?

Going back to the letter Walt posted I think it was a load of sloppy, sentimental mush with neither meaning or purpose.

It's function, as far as I'm concerned, is to make Americans think that we Europeans are a load of silly, old posturing nitwits sat in rocking chairs knitting shawls.

Actually, after our experiences in the 20th century, we have gone off war and are concentrating on having a good time. And we are kitted up sufficiently to deal with serious disturbers of that project's progress.

You are being kind with respect to both its content and its likely purpose.

Walter reminded us that it is a product of the Fabian society, a fact which likely accounts for the grossly revisionist references to historical events. In attition this also points to the narrow-minded, sectarian purpose of the screed.

We do agree that it is heavily larded with sloppy mush, cloying in the extreme. Its patronizing tone would be most offensive, were it not for the superficial banality of the content.

I find it most offensive George as it purports to represent what I think.

I come to the conclusion there's probably a heck of a lot of criminals running around loose in India.

Same as everywhere else eh Tico. I've know a few left side defenders who were pretty suspicious characters and that's putting it mildly.

Tico
While i admire, appreciat, uphold the different views about human fallacies, may i humbly request you to post a critical thread like others to enthuse the new members toget rejuvenated?
My request and not a challenge please.
You cannot Compare INDIA with USA.
India( unfortunately stooped to the level of USA)
I am here to expose the soup kitchen country which is being controlled by the corporate curmudgeions

Why not? Do you believe Tico isn't qualified to do so? What is your evidence for that proposition? For that matter what are your qualifications, since you have never been here?

Alternatively, you may believe that no comparison is possible. However there is this, immediately following -
So you yourself immediately follow with your own comparison of the two countries. At this point even a sympathetic rational reader begins to doubt the workings of your mind;

Then you culminate the post with this. --
Shall I understand the "I am here to..." bit to reflect the mission assigned to you by some higher power? (This is not the first such wierdly neurotic proposition that you have asserted here.)

As for the rest of your blather... "soup kitchen country ... controlled by corporate curmudgeons,,," -- it is meaningless nonsense. You might also inquire about the rapid decline in starvation in India during the late 1940s through early 1960s, in major part a result of the development and energetic prosleytization of new hybrid strains of rice (so-called "miracle rice") by an American farmer and official of our government's Department of Agriculture, Henry Beachell.

Geo
Please motivate the new members to air their views and belittle not the consummate cut and pasters like me.

I am dead against hypocracy
whether from USA, Germany, India or Israel or any xyz villages.
I am too old than most of you and too young than the new members of this forum who shout with silence.
Regards
Rama

Rama wrote-



In that case you are completely phhuuked assuming you meant "hypocrisy".

Geo

"You might also inquire about the rapid decline in starvation in India during the late 1940s through early 1960s, in major part a result of the development and energetic prosleytization of new hybrid strains of rice (so-called "miracle rice") by an American farmer and official of our government's Department of Agriculture, Henry Beachell."

26 january is a republic day in India.
there was an editorial about the republic parade in times of India.
The parade is shorlived around one and hal hours during that time how many kids die was the subject of that editorial.
I think TIMES OF INDIA reflects the views of manyof the american jourlaists.

I was born to endure all the obstacles.

Starvation prevaills.
Like easy chair intellectual compassionate contradictions.

You have it wrong there Rama.

We are working on it. You are talking about it.